iiijohnnymaciii
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Is there any dishwasher detergent that has bleach in it? A lot of my clear plastic Rubbermaid containers have spaghetti sauce stains. Same thing with my water bottle straws. Thanks!
Bleach Detergent?
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Cascade Institutional powder is one, which is now labeled as Cascade Fryer Boil Out.
dishwasher detergent with bleach
Cascade Fryer Boil Out
maytagbear
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Procter & Gamble
offered a plastics de-staining agent that had lotsa, lotsa hydrogen peroxide for this very matter. It was packaged in a red and white tube, and it was sold for about 35 seconds a number of years back. It was good stuff. Probably why they pulled it.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
offered a plastics de-staining agent that had lotsa, lotsa hydrogen peroxide for this very matter. It was packaged in a red and white tube, and it was sold for about 35 seconds a number of years back. It was good stuff. Probably why they pulled it.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
launderess
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Unless things have changed
Finish gel and powder dw detergent are still chlorine based.
Usually but not always anything marked "institutional" is old school chlorine based dw detergent (with or without phosphates).
If you cannot find something in local shops, try any restaurant, institutional, commercial supply house. You may have to buy a rather huge tub of the stuff, but there you are then.
IIRC Ecolab sells "Finish" institutional dw detergent.
https://www.hpproducts.com/ItemDisp...rgent-15oz-200cs&Brand=V002258&ItemID=7255850
Finish gel and powder dw detergent are still chlorine based.
Usually but not always anything marked "institutional" is old school chlorine based dw detergent (with or without phosphates).
If you cannot find something in local shops, try any restaurant, institutional, commercial supply house. You may have to buy a rather huge tub of the stuff, but there you are then.
IIRC Ecolab sells "Finish" institutional dw detergent.
https://www.hpproducts.com/ItemDisp...rgent-15oz-200cs&Brand=V002258&ItemID=7255850
mark_wpduet
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An idea
that was recommended by someone else on this forum. When you're ready to run your machine with dirty dishes, put your detergent in the main detergent cup......close it and pour like a shot glass of liquid bleach on the dishwasher door, close it up, start it. I'm not sure what kind of regular dish machine detergent you use, but it shouldn't be affected by the bleach since it will be mostly rinsed away in the first water purge. I've been doing this for a LONG time now and it I use Finish powerball detergent, which has enzymes.....the machine smells santized and dishes are really clean. No tomato stains......I don't pre-rinse. OR....... You could be a bottle of chlorine-based detergent, pour a little in the prewash so that will give enough bleach action in the prewash to get those stains off.....but I like the regular bleach better. I think it keeps the inside of the dishwasher cleaner as well.
that was recommended by someone else on this forum. When you're ready to run your machine with dirty dishes, put your detergent in the main detergent cup......close it and pour like a shot glass of liquid bleach on the dishwasher door, close it up, start it. I'm not sure what kind of regular dish machine detergent you use, but it shouldn't be affected by the bleach since it will be mostly rinsed away in the first water purge. I've been doing this for a LONG time now and it I use Finish powerball detergent, which has enzymes.....the machine smells santized and dishes are really clean. No tomato stains......I don't pre-rinse. OR....... You could be a bottle of chlorine-based detergent, pour a little in the prewash so that will give enough bleach action in the prewash to get those stains off.....but I like the regular bleach better. I think it keeps the inside of the dishwasher cleaner as well.
iiijohnnymaciii
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Thanks Y'all!
I found some finish powder on Amazon! They don't sell it at my local stores. I hope they aren't phasing it out. I also might try the shot of bleach on the door in the meantime. I think putting it on the door will be key, because my Bosch does a purge before it starts the first fill. So are we talking about 1 ounce?
I found some finish powder on Amazon! They don't sell it at my local stores. I hope they aren't phasing it out. I also might try the shot of bleach on the door in the meantime. I think putting it on the door will be key, because my Bosch does a purge before it starts the first fill. So are we talking about 1 ounce?
I use Aldi liquid in the first cup of our DW, this detergent has liquid has bleach in it and is very reasonable in cost.
John L.
John L.
mark_wpduet
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doesn't matter
just eyeball it....just pour a little on the door. I'm guestimating about a shot glass worth. Although, I didn't realize your machine purged before it starts to fill. My Maytag doesn't do that. It just starts to fill for the prewash, then purges. You will smell the bleach while it's running. A little LBC goes a LONG way.
just eyeball it....just pour a little on the door. I'm guestimating about a shot glass worth. Although, I didn't realize your machine purged before it starts to fill. My Maytag doesn't do that. It just starts to fill for the prewash, then purges. You will smell the bleach while it's running. A little LBC goes a LONG way.
iheartmaytag
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It kind of defeats the "automatic" part of the automatic cycle, but you won't do if too often.
Wait until after the main wash drains and then open the door and pour in a shot glass (1oz) or so of LCB, then resume the cycle.
This way you get the bleaching action, you don't have to worry about it interfering with the detergent's enzymes and in the process you get some disinfection action from the bleach.
Another thing you can do is place stained plastic ware out in the sun on a sunny day. I sometimes set a few pieces on the picnic table if the wind isn't too bad, we're talking Kansas here. The UV rays will naturally bleach out the red stains.
Wait until after the main wash drains and then open the door and pour in a shot glass (1oz) or so of LCB, then resume the cycle.
This way you get the bleaching action, you don't have to worry about it interfering with the detergent's enzymes and in the process you get some disinfection action from the bleach.
Another thing you can do is place stained plastic ware out in the sun on a sunny day. I sometimes set a few pieces on the picnic table if the wind isn't too bad, we're talking Kansas here. The UV rays will naturally bleach out the red stains.
Fascinating idea
Mark and I heart!
Also, I use Finish powder. Per the label it has enzymes. When I got my Maytag DW a couple years ago, I used to use Cascade powder. It started etching the glasses. A friend’s Mom said use Finish - it’s easier on dishes AND gets them cleaner. She was right. It gets them perfectly clean and shiny. Then I remembered the installer said the same thing.
I don’t use pods. I have a water softener, so I presume the pods are a major overdose and would dull and etch the dishes. Even without a softener I’d be afraid of that. When I was growing up we filled the Kitchen Aid detergent cups all the way and in time the dishes were completely dulled and ruined. And they would have swirl marks on them too from the water flow. Using flatware to eat was like scratching fingernails on a chalkboard. So in my adult life I’ve always dosed just enough powder to get the dishes clean and no more. And my dishes have never gotten dull.
Mark and I heart!
Also, I use Finish powder. Per the label it has enzymes. When I got my Maytag DW a couple years ago, I used to use Cascade powder. It started etching the glasses. A friend’s Mom said use Finish - it’s easier on dishes AND gets them cleaner. She was right. It gets them perfectly clean and shiny. Then I remembered the installer said the same thing.
I don’t use pods. I have a water softener, so I presume the pods are a major overdose and would dull and etch the dishes. Even without a softener I’d be afraid of that. When I was growing up we filled the Kitchen Aid detergent cups all the way and in time the dishes were completely dulled and ruined. And they would have swirl marks on them too from the water flow. Using flatware to eat was like scratching fingernails on a chalkboard. So in my adult life I’ve always dosed just enough powder to get the dishes clean and no more. And my dishes have never gotten dull.
mark_wpduet
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Ya
Back a few years ago when they took phosphates out of DW detergent people were having a hard time with the new stuff, but Finish powerball seemed to get good reviews. I Love it. That's all I buy from Cosco (the big container) and I have moderately hard city water with no water softener. I can understand those that have a softener might not be able to use the tabs. Someone on this forum said a long time ago to pour a little bleach on the door before starting the load. The first time I did it you could tell when the machine had finished and you opened that door everything just smelled cleaned and disinfected. And with just a LITTLE BIT of bleach. Been doing it ever since. Once I had a sample of Finish Quantum. I didn't like it because it foamed WAY too much. Cleaned well, but foamed too much. I felt like it was way too hard on the dishwasher as you could hear it struggling through the foam.
Back a few years ago when they took phosphates out of DW detergent people were having a hard time with the new stuff, but Finish powerball seemed to get good reviews. I Love it. That's all I buy from Cosco (the big container) and I have moderately hard city water with no water softener. I can understand those that have a softener might not be able to use the tabs. Someone on this forum said a long time ago to pour a little bleach on the door before starting the load. The first time I did it you could tell when the machine had finished and you opened that door everything just smelled cleaned and disinfected. And with just a LITTLE BIT of bleach. Been doing it ever since. Once I had a sample of Finish Quantum. I didn't like it because it foamed WAY too much. Cleaned well, but foamed too much. I felt like it was way too hard on the dishwasher as you could hear it struggling through the foam.
ozzie908
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Sanitizer tablets
Not sure if you can get any sanitiser tablets I buy them from a cleaning company and you put 2 on the door they dissolve in the prewash and the main wash uses the pod it works as I have no more tomato stains on any plastic ware its been a problem here for some time ever since the ingredients in the pods changed.
Austin
Not sure if you can get any sanitiser tablets I buy them from a cleaning company and you put 2 on the door they dissolve in the prewash and the main wash uses the pod it works as I have no more tomato stains on any plastic ware its been a problem here for some time ever since the ingredients in the pods changed.
Austin
jerrod6
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Regular Finish Powder
I have been using regular Finish Powder which I also bought from Amazon. For some years now this regular formula contains enzymes so the chlorine bleach has been removed. The enzymes actually clean better, but I don't know about how it will do with heavy doses of tomato stain. It will clean the stain for me if I wash it within two days, but set in stain- I don't know. Maybe try Finish Quantum which is stronger than the powder.
I have been using regular Finish Powder which I also bought from Amazon. For some years now this regular formula contains enzymes so the chlorine bleach has been removed. The enzymes actually clean better, but I don't know about how it will do with heavy doses of tomato stain. It will clean the stain for me if I wash it within two days, but set in stain- I don't know. Maybe try Finish Quantum which is stronger than the powder.
iiijohnnymaciii
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Thanks
Thanks for the update on finish powder. I have quantum right now. It removes food no problem, but plastic gets stained if washed wilth spaghetti dishes.
Thanks for the recommendation of the Aldi brand gel as a prewash.
What Powerball tabs do you use? Deep Cleen or Max In One?
Thanks for the update on finish powder. I have quantum right now. It removes food no problem, but plastic gets stained if washed wilth spaghetti dishes.
Thanks for the recommendation of the Aldi brand gel as a prewash.
What Powerball tabs do you use? Deep Cleen or Max In One?
pierreandreply4
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dishwasher soap
IIIJohnnyMacIII do not know if this will help you but found this on amazon https://www.amazon.ca/-/fr/Cascade-...&sprefix=casacade+dishwasher+,aps,142&sr=8-48
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IIIJohnnyMacIII do not know if this will help you but found this on amazon https://www.amazon.ca/-/fr/Cascade-...&sprefix=casacade+dishwasher+,aps,142&sr=8-48
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Palmolove Eco has chlorine in it. My mother and I both use it in our KUDI23's
Just reminded me
Several people I work with commented that they prefer to wash their dishes by hand, and they always put a little splash of LCB in the dishpan to prevent salmonella, colds and flu from spreading through the house.
Sounds like a great idea.
But I never got around to asking if their clothes get bleached/ruined every time they splash water on themselves.
Several people I work with commented that they prefer to wash their dishes by hand, and they always put a little splash of LCB in the dishpan to prevent salmonella, colds and flu from spreading through the house.
Sounds like a great idea.
But I never got around to asking if their clothes get bleached/ruined every time they splash water on themselves.
AND why don’t I just ask others?
Do the modern dishwasher pacs dull dishes like the powder did in the day?
Does it make a difference if you have a water softener?
If it’s no longer an issue, I’d love to know because the pacs would be so much easier to use. But I just don’t feel like ruining my stuff experimenting.
So, what say you?
Do the modern dishwasher pacs dull dishes like the powder did in the day?
Does it make a difference if you have a water softener?
If it’s no longer an issue, I’d love to know because the pacs would be so much easier to use. But I just don’t feel like ruining my stuff experimenting.
So, what say you?
And yes, Mark
I tried Finish Quantum once and same thing — it foamed up, the D/W struggled with sudslock, and there was no spray action going on.
I tried Finish Quantum once and same thing — it foamed up, the D/W struggled with sudslock, and there was no spray action going on.
Tried Cascade Platinum pacs (still have a couple left), same effect, excess foaming. Using those pacs is the only time in 16 years I've heard my DishDrawer add more water a few mins into the cycle to compensate for the water-turned-to-foam (it determines that by monitoring the load on the pump).
I had been using Cascade Complete pacs without issue but then the last batch I got was really foamy, much like the pictures and complaints here.
It's very annoying...P&G wants people to be brand loyal, but they seem to have forgotten the reason people are brand loyal is because they are expecting the product to work and smell the same way each time.
If you want a surprise you might as well buy whatever is on sale.
It's very annoying...P&G wants people to be brand loyal, but they seem to have forgotten the reason people are brand loyal is because they are expecting the product to work and smell the same way each time.
If you want a surprise you might as well buy whatever is on sale.
The ONLY pacs/tabs I can use in my KUDI23 are Miele and Finish powerball with the hard red ball in the middle. EVERY other kind foams up too much with our water softener. The finish tabs don't etch as bad as the powder years ago but still will do it over time. I'd be hesitant in one of the new minimal water dishwashers because the detergent would be more concentrated with the smaller amount of water used.
rolls_rapide
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US Finish Powder
There is bleach in it, but it is the oxygen bleach version (Sodium Percarbonate and the TAED activator).
INGREDIENT
Sodium Sulfate
Sodium Carbonate
Sodium Citrate
Water/Eau
Sodium Silicate
Sodium Percarbonate
Alcohols Ethoxylate
Polyacrylic Acid Sodium Bisulfite Terminated
TAED
Fragrance/Parfum
Amylase Enzyme
Protease Enzyme
FINISH Quantum tabs 'Ultimate Clean & Shine':
This has Sodium Percarbonate bleach + the TAED activator + the Manganese bleach activator. So, superior bleaching with this one.
INGREDIENT
Sodium Carbonate
Sodium Citrate
C12-15 Alcohols Ethoxylated Propoxylated
Sodium Bicarbonate
Sodium Percarbonate
TAED
Polyvinyl Alcohol
Ethylene/propylene oxide copolymer
Polyacrylic Acid Sodium Bisulfite Terminated
Alcohol polyglycolether
Protease Enzyme
(1-Hydroxyethylidene)bisphosphonic acid, sodium salt
Amylase Enzyme
Fragrance/Parfum
Manganese Catalyst
d-Limonene
modified anthraquinone dye
Liquitint Red
And regarding chlorine bleach content, only the older-style blue bottle of Finish has it. But no enzymes, as chlorine bleach and enzymes do not work together. The smaller arty-farty Finish 'Max-in-1 Concentrated Gel' has enzymes - but NO type of bleach whatsoever!
http://www.rbnainfo.com/product.php?productLineId=2262
There is bleach in it, but it is the oxygen bleach version (Sodium Percarbonate and the TAED activator).
INGREDIENT
Sodium Sulfate
Sodium Carbonate
Sodium Citrate
Water/Eau
Sodium Silicate
Sodium Percarbonate
Alcohols Ethoxylate
Polyacrylic Acid Sodium Bisulfite Terminated
TAED
Fragrance/Parfum
Amylase Enzyme
Protease Enzyme
FINISH Quantum tabs 'Ultimate Clean & Shine':
This has Sodium Percarbonate bleach + the TAED activator + the Manganese bleach activator. So, superior bleaching with this one.
INGREDIENT
Sodium Carbonate
Sodium Citrate
C12-15 Alcohols Ethoxylated Propoxylated
Sodium Bicarbonate
Sodium Percarbonate
TAED
Polyvinyl Alcohol
Ethylene/propylene oxide copolymer
Polyacrylic Acid Sodium Bisulfite Terminated
Alcohol polyglycolether
Protease Enzyme
(1-Hydroxyethylidene)bisphosphonic acid, sodium salt
Amylase Enzyme
Fragrance/Parfum
Manganese Catalyst
d-Limonene
modified anthraquinone dye
Liquitint Red
And regarding chlorine bleach content, only the older-style blue bottle of Finish has it. But no enzymes, as chlorine bleach and enzymes do not work together. The smaller arty-farty Finish 'Max-in-1 Concentrated Gel' has enzymes - but NO type of bleach whatsoever!
http://www.rbnainfo.com/product.php?productLineId=2262
Thanks to all
For the answers, especially askolover.
For the answers, especially askolover.
iiijohnnymaciii
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Tried Palmolive Eco
Wasn't successful at removing the stains with Palmolive Eco. However, the detergent washed my dishes flawlessly, left no film or cloudiness, and with the cost I could wash my dishes for about $3/month!
These stains have been on my dishes for a while now, so I think I'm going to take the things that are already stained and soak them in a bleach solution and use the Palmolive Eco to see if it will keep things from staining from now on.
Thanks for the recommendations!
Wasn't successful at removing the stains with Palmolive Eco. However, the detergent washed my dishes flawlessly, left no film or cloudiness, and with the cost I could wash my dishes for about $3/month!
These stains have been on my dishes for a while now, so I think I'm going to take the things that are already stained and soak them in a bleach solution and use the Palmolive Eco to see if it will keep things from staining from now on.
Thanks for the recommendations!
STPP - Sodium Tripolyphosphate
I throw some STPP in my dishwasher, as it is supposed to be the phosphate that was dropped from washing machine detergents, so I figured it would help in dishwashers as well. Do you think it works as well as the Cascade Fryer Boil Out? I'm thinking of trying the Fryer Boil Out, but unless it's better than the STPP why bother?
Please advise me. Thanks!
Deborah
I throw some STPP in my dishwasher, as it is supposed to be the phosphate that was dropped from washing machine detergents, so I figured it would help in dishwashers as well. Do you think it works as well as the Cascade Fryer Boil Out? I'm thinking of trying the Fryer Boil Out, but unless it's better than the STPP why bother?
Please advise me. Thanks!
Deborah
rolls_rapide
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Regarding Reply #22...
I decided to take some of my own advice, and bought a bag of the 'Finish Quantum Ultimate Clean & Shine' (those floppy, three-chambered things, that look like sweets). Used on the 'Auto Super Wash' programme, in the Bosch.
The result?
Whilst the plates, pots, Pyrex and cutlery generally look clean, mugs still have tea stains!
I can't believe it. This is supposed to be their top detergent, with the Manganese Catalyst to allow superior stain removal.
Perhaps they had some sort of production fault, where the bleach or activator or catalyst wasn't added to the mixture?
Nevertheless, I've had much better results with Lidl's W5 'standard' tablets - and I am quite irritated by that fact.
I decided to take some of my own advice, and bought a bag of the 'Finish Quantum Ultimate Clean & Shine' (those floppy, three-chambered things, that look like sweets). Used on the 'Auto Super Wash' programme, in the Bosch.
The result?
Whilst the plates, pots, Pyrex and cutlery generally look clean, mugs still have tea stains!
I can't believe it. This is supposed to be their top detergent, with the Manganese Catalyst to allow superior stain removal.
Perhaps they had some sort of production fault, where the bleach or activator or catalyst wasn't added to the mixture?
Nevertheless, I've had much better results with Lidl's W5 'standard' tablets - and I am quite irritated by that fact.
iiijohnnymaciii
Well-known member
Rolls Rapide. That’s exactly what I’m using - The new style Quantum max. And like you it cleans food off completely, but leaves stains. The older style quantum max worked wonders with stains. I might pick some up from amazon, but it’s more expensive.
rolls_rapide
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I had a look on Amazon UK's site. Other folk have also commented about Finish Quantum Ultimate's less-than-impressive tea stain removal.
It makes you wonder exactly what Reckitt Benckiser are doing with their laboratories...
It makes you wonder exactly what Reckitt Benckiser are doing with their laboratories...
sudsmaster
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It's been my impression over the years that chlorine bleach should not be used in Bosch dishwashers, due to the potential for corrosion of stainless steel from free chlorine. However my Bosch SHU43C user manual doesn't mention anything other than use a detergent designed for automatic dishwashers (no hand wash detergents).
Even so, I've never used chlorine in my Bosch and probably never will.
Bosch recommends using Finish Tabs, either Powerball or Quantum. The linked page says the Quantum product includes a bleach (oxygen). However, the Finish Powerball Max-in-One tabs I've been using contain sodium percarbonate, which is an oxygen bleach.
From Wikipedia:
"As an oxidizing agent, sodium percarbonate is an ingredient in a number of home and laundry cleaning products, including non-chlorine bleach products such as Oxyper, OxiClean, Tide laundry detergent,<sup id="cite_ref-Jones_1-2" class="reference">[1]</sup> and Vanish.<sup id="cite_ref-rscvanish_4-1" class="reference">[4]</sup>
"Many commercial products mix a percentage of sodium percarbonate with sodium carbonate. The average percentage of an "Oxy" product in the supermarket is 65% sodium percarbonate and 35% sodium carbonate. The "ultra boosters" seen on infomercials may contain as much as 80% sodium percarbonate. However, sodium percarbonate is less expensive in its pure form<sup class="noprint Inline-Template Template-Fact" style="white-space: nowrap;">[<span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources. (May 2017)">citation needed</span>]</sup> and can be adjusted to any percentage the user desires."
One note: the air gap for the drain line has a cap at the top of the sink. Periodically I check that cap; quite often it has some food debris that is flushed and gets caught in the cap. Simple enough to clear that out. If it gets too clogged the DW won't drain properly. And debris in there is not a sign of DW failure... the "large object filter" at the bottom of the dishwasher is designed to send medium to smaller particles down the drain. The problem is really the design of the air gap, I've modified it slightly to make it less prone to catch debris that the DW filer is designed to pass on through to the drain line, but it still happens. Oh well. It's no biggie to check it before each cycle. I might have to modify it again.
PS-Just checked on the chlorine/Bosch question again. Bosch does prohibit the use of chlorine bleach with its Axxis clothes washers. But it does not prohibit its use in its dishwashers. In fact, at least one Bosch page recommends using a chlorine bleach containing DW detergent if tea stains persist. So there.
https://www.bosch-home.com/us/exper...icks/all-articles/choosing-the-best-detergent
Even so, I've never used chlorine in my Bosch and probably never will.
Bosch recommends using Finish Tabs, either Powerball or Quantum. The linked page says the Quantum product includes a bleach (oxygen). However, the Finish Powerball Max-in-One tabs I've been using contain sodium percarbonate, which is an oxygen bleach.
From Wikipedia:
"As an oxidizing agent, sodium percarbonate is an ingredient in a number of home and laundry cleaning products, including non-chlorine bleach products such as Oxyper, OxiClean, Tide laundry detergent,<sup id="cite_ref-Jones_1-2" class="reference">[1]</sup> and Vanish.<sup id="cite_ref-rscvanish_4-1" class="reference">[4]</sup>
"Many commercial products mix a percentage of sodium percarbonate with sodium carbonate. The average percentage of an "Oxy" product in the supermarket is 65% sodium percarbonate and 35% sodium carbonate. The "ultra boosters" seen on infomercials may contain as much as 80% sodium percarbonate. However, sodium percarbonate is less expensive in its pure form<sup class="noprint Inline-Template Template-Fact" style="white-space: nowrap;">[<span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources. (May 2017)">citation needed</span>]</sup> and can be adjusted to any percentage the user desires."
One note: the air gap for the drain line has a cap at the top of the sink. Periodically I check that cap; quite often it has some food debris that is flushed and gets caught in the cap. Simple enough to clear that out. If it gets too clogged the DW won't drain properly. And debris in there is not a sign of DW failure... the "large object filter" at the bottom of the dishwasher is designed to send medium to smaller particles down the drain. The problem is really the design of the air gap, I've modified it slightly to make it less prone to catch debris that the DW filer is designed to pass on through to the drain line, but it still happens. Oh well. It's no biggie to check it before each cycle. I might have to modify it again.
PS-Just checked on the chlorine/Bosch question again. Bosch does prohibit the use of chlorine bleach with its Axxis clothes washers. But it does not prohibit its use in its dishwashers. In fact, at least one Bosch page recommends using a chlorine bleach containing DW detergent if tea stains persist. So there.
https://www.bosch-home.com/us/exper...icks/all-articles/choosing-the-best-detergent
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