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I was reading some detergent reviews on various consumer sites and it seems that of the P&G detergents on sale here, Bold seems to get absolute rave reviews and extreme brand loyalty.

Just wondering how other people like / dislike it?

I find it quite pleasant, generally prefer it to Ariel. I really find the new Ariel smell very unpleasant, it's like cheap car air freshner.

Unilever's Persil seem to have done something funny to their smell too. I find clothes come out smelling less plesant than they used to. The Persil with Comfort is good though.
 
Just an American's two cents...

Over here, we had Bold for years, and they discontinued it.

The name brand "Gain" seems to have supplanted "Bold".

They brought out a liquid and powdered version of "Gain with Softness", although not with the appealing fragrances you guys have with your Bold.

Anyhoo, they haven't sold well here, and most stores are discontinuing it...to top it off, the powdered version scored dead last in the most recent ratings in CU!

After watching launderers in action here in North America and in the UK/IRL/EU over the last several years, I believe many folks over the pond are more likely to want a "one-box" solution to doing laundry. Whether this is economically based or just convenience, I do not know.

Over here, we seem to be more attached to our additives, like bleaches, seperate softeners, etc. I don't think having just one product has as much appeal here.

Just my $.02.....
 
I used to like Bold when it came in the one variety - a blue box and I think it was called Bold 3. As soon as they started with the different flavours and then changed the fragrances, I stopped using it altogether. I recently bought a box of the 'Ocean Breeze' flavour as I thought the smell was quite close to the original. I am totally unconvinced at 2 in 1 softening properties so used Surcare softener so as not to mask the nice fragrance. I found it very suitable on coloured loads but stain removal on whites was very poor so I have gone off it again. My Mum used it for a few years when I was a teenager in her twin tub and the smell around the house on washday was wonderful. She was pleased with the results too and that was a result in itself as she is not easily impressed!!

I am quite a loyal Ariel fan but I have to agree that the fragrance is not too good at the moment. I find the colour variant much better on the nose than the white and would suggest they should use it on both. Whatever happened to the wonderful fragrance on Persil Colour liquid? I miss that too.
 
oxydolfan -

I strongly suspect that it's convienience rather than economy. Laundry detergents in Europe tend to be aimed at the people who like to "set and forget". In general we've no interest in fussing over adding various things to the machine.

I also suspect that's why tablet and gel/liquid pouches are so popular.

You throw the gel pouch into the machine then "set and forget".
The pouch disolves releasing the liquid into the wash.

Same goes for those powder tablets, people can't even be bothered measuring.
You just put 1 or 2 tablets into the dispensor drawer and turn the machine on. They react with the water and fizz apart as the machine fills.
(In the case of Persil tabs, you put them into a net (like a tiny laundry bag) and throw them into the back of the drum)
 
Hoovermatic :-

Here's the comparison : They look like almost identical forumlations to me!

UK/IRL Bold - Ingredients
Sodium Carbonate
Sodium Silicoaluminate
Sodium Sulfate
Bentonite
Sodium Dodecylbenzenesulfonate
Sodium Carbonate Peroxide
Aqua
C13-15 pareth-7
Citric Acid
TAED
Sodium Acrylic Acid/Ma Copolymer
Hydroxyethyl Laurdimonium Chloride
Sodium Toluenesulfonate
Sodium Tallowate
Glycerine
PARFUM
Magnesium Sulfate
Paraffin
Tetrasodium Etidronate
Polyethylene Glycol
Cellulose Gum
Ceteareth-80
Trisodium Ethylenediamine Disuccinate
Sodium Chloride
Protease
Glycosidase
PARFUM
PEI Perfume Modified
Fluorescent Brightener 260
Sodium Silicate
Starch, Sodium Octenyl Succinate
Sodium Polyacrylate
Phenylpropyl Ether Methicone
Sodium Hydroxide
Colorant
Dichlorodimethylsilane Rx. With Silica
Zinc Phthalocyanine Sulphonate
Colorant
Dimethicone
Limonene

Standard UK/IRL Ariel Powder Ingredients

Sodium Sulfate
Sodium Carbonate
Sodium Silicoaluminate
Sodium Carbonate Peroxide
Sodium Dodecylbenzenesulfonate
TAED
Aqua
C13-15 pareth-7
Citric Acid
Sodium Acrylic Acid/Ma Copolymer
C8-10 Alkyl Hydroxyethyl Dimonium Chloride
Sodium C16-18 Alkyl Sulfate
Ethoxylated Hexamethylenediamine Quaternized
Tetrasodium Etidronate
PARFUM
Sodium Tallowate
Magnesium Sulfate
Cellulose Gum
Sodium Chloride
PARFUM
Glycosidase
Glycosidase
Trisodium Ethylenediamine Disuccinate
Fluorescent Brightener 260
Starch, Sodium Octenyl Succinate
Protease
Ceteareth-25
Glycosidase
Ceteareth-80
Sulfuric Acid
Sodium Silicate
Phenylpropyl Ether Methicone
Sodium Polyacrylate
PEI Perfume Modified
Sodium Hydroxide
Dichlorodimethylsilane Rx. With Silica
Zinc Phthalocyanine Sulphonate
Colorant
TALLOW ALCOHOL
C10-16 Alkylbenzene Sulfonic Acid
Butylphenyl Methylpropional
Coumarin
Limonene
 
Actually full ingredients disclosure seems only to apply to

This site gives you access to the full list of ingredients present in P&G (Procter & Gamble) laundry and cleaning products that are currently on sale in Europe. This information is part of the requirements of the new EU Regulation of The European Parliament and of The Council of 31 March 2004 on detergents.
 
Interesting that the ingredients are so similar although the results, in my experience are so different. Some years ago, I was on a long tube journey from Heathrow to Piccadilly and read the Standard cover to cover. Amongst the articles was a test on detergents that rated Sainsbury's Novon colour detergent better than the new formula Ariel (whatever it was called then) at everything, including whites washes. I always used Novon in those days as it came in very handy concentrated formula and good size boxes with a neat little scoup. Plus, you could buy refill bags for the boxes. Shame they rebranded/packaged it all
 
Ah, Novon.

I worked for Sainsburys at the time and Novon was indeed a fantastic detergent, made by NOVONORDISK (I think in Sweden) a leader in the field of enzyme technology. My uncle (personnel director for Sainsburys) told me that they made a loss on Novon, they sold it for less than they bought it.

Sainsburys own label products are generally really good, the Perform detergent now is Henkel as we know......and plus, their ginger wine is £2-59, Stones Ginger Wine is £5-79 in Thresher, and they both make a lovely Whiskey Mac for a winter's eve.....

Nick
 
wow i've heard of that detergent "ariel" its extremely popular from my homeland in puerto rico thats what my grandmother uses and from looking and learning in this website i had no idea it was popular in england,uk etc.
Also in pr the have a tide version called "ace" its expensive and i swear its exactly like tide anybody know anything about this? it looks identical with th orange bottle or box with the same bold letters powder or liquid and same scent!
 
thanks oxydolfan1

omg how did you find that? thanks for posting it i feel like at pr now lol with my grandma shopping. another thing home come there bleach comes in a all blue bottle or purple or orange and here they dont do that? is it different packaging companies? anyways thanks agian i enjoyed that lol! ;)
 
No problem, the Clorox down there is actually made on the island, and I believe it is the purple bottle that is a product we don't have here, a pourable degreaser for drains.

They have Wisk, Snuggle, all, etc. but their products are like the ones we have up here (see link)...

They still have "Peach Vel", a dish detergent that Palmolive made years ago here...

As far as I know, they don't have Gain.

If you want "Tide with Bleach", you have to buy "Ace Con Blanqeador" (yes, I know, I slaughtered that, lol!)

http://amigo.com/shopper-11.htm
 
Mrx...thanks for that "science in the box" site!

Maybe there are additional stringencies for the UK market that don't apply to Ireland as well, since a larger part of the latter's boundaries are on the Atlantic?

I believe I may have been considered a bit odd in Ireland, as I was constantly peeking into closets and cabinets looking to see what people washed and cleaned with!
 
hoovermatic and Nick,

I’m really glad you have both mentioned Novon. :-) If, for any reason, we couldn’t get Persil, we used to use Novon. I loved the packaging, and it never over powered me perfume-wise either. I quite miss it – I was the only detergent apart from Persil that ‘agreed’ with us.

I always remember the list of ingredients on Novon and Persil were very comprehensive and easy to follow.

Memories… :-)

Haven’t tried the ‘new’ ones at Sainsbury’s. :-) It’s funny because I was thinking about them today. :-)

Regards,

Carl :-)
 
oxydolfan1

Thanks for the link.. I always enjoy looking and reading other contries (or in this case territorys) stores..

mrx

Thanks for the scince site..Learn new things daily
 
For nickuk :-)

Nick! :-)

We know someone who worked in our local Sainsbury’s for many years and was very knowledgeable. I know you would expect her to push things for Sainsbury’s, but she was brutally honest, and we trust her and knew her before she came to Sainsbury’s, and I remember her telling us how good Novon actually was.

In fact, from experience, we have found Sainsbury’s to stock some pretty good own-brand cleaners over the years. I guess not all are good, but I have got on well with some hand pump soaps that are ideal for the kitchen (not too drying and no strong perfume, although kitchens really need perfume-free soaps, really, I guess), etc.

Persil non-bio tablets are our daily driver, but I do like to occasionally try something else if I can manage the perfume! hehe ;-) Mum does, too – she likes the odd change as long as the perfume is not too strong and as long as it all rinses out OK. :-) Mum usually changes the detergent she uses for hand washing between Woolite and Persil Silk and Wool.

Regards,

Carl :-)
 
Stones Ginger wine??????

Where? LOL

How strange is that? I had a bad night at ork last night and decided as we are now a 24hr Lquor license Tesco I would buy a bottle or 2 of something to have when I got in.

Im off my wine for a bit and im in love with these as my winter bevvies LOL

Pimms and Lemonade and Stones with Canada Dry, mmmmmm

although I am partial to a Whisky Mac too as you can see hehehehe

Nick
 
Back to Bold

Ive always found it shocking that people buy it,

when I was a chef i used to use whichever detergent our dry goods supplier sent us unless I requested it was Persil specifically, more often than not it was Bold.

When used in the specified dosages it does not clean anywhere near Persils standards for a much smaller dose and I regularly had to bleach the white waiters towels to remove a grey film Bold instilled in them.

The chef towels we used as oven cloths were SHOCKING. it got to the point where I bought a whole load of new ones and used Persil NB on them full stop.

Even Ariel and Daz are nowhere near Persil FWIW so why they have a following is beyond me.......

My tuppence worth LOL

all the best

Nick
 
Ariel

I can't stand the new scent of ariel biological, its very overpowering, i cannot even use comfort or lenor as the scent overpowers that as well, i miss the old formulation of ariel, before they changed the packaging, ariel colour powder still smells the same tho, same scent as the old ariel bio. I'm using persil for whites, and aldis almat colour liquid on darks (i find this is very good value for 1.89 a bottle, and its made in germany!) I use bold too sometimes on sheets, (the lavender and camomile tablets) these smell amazing. My favourite conditioners will always be Comfort concentrates, original and lily and riceflower fragrances.

Its amazing how detergents change over time, i remember my mum used to use Bold spring fresh powder and Daz Automatic, and i remember these used to clean really well at low temperatures. I don't use daz anymore as i find it doesn't remove stains well at 40 degrees, i have to wash at 60 or even 90 to get the stains out, and this isn't ideal for clothes that can't be washed at that temperature. its persil or surf for me all the way. Surf Tropical is a good budget detergent for good whites. and if you want something cheap to protect your colours i highly recommend Aldi Almat Colour Liquid.

Kyle xx

P.S does anyone know what the error message E90 means on a Zanussi washing machine? i keep getting it coming up when i press the on/off button
 
and I also dont understand why ALL of P and Gs products have such a strong scent.

Im sure its to scam people into thinking their washing is clean, Imagine it and the Psychological theory im hinting at here.

Housewife opens the washer door and is greeted by a wonderfully strong smell, already she thinks her washing is extra clean, and when she glances at it not particularly paying attention due to the fact she is basking in the scent she thinks its clean.

In fact its not, she has been conned.

Lever dont highly scent their products because they work first time round. BTW my laundry is always impeccably clean despite the fact I heavily use softener, I kinda use FS as a scent/cologne/musk whatever and I like a lasting scent because Im conscious of being and smelling clean. but it would not bother me to omit the FS and spray myself with an EDT.

Sadly I cant find one that smells of Comfort Easy Iron tho LOL

but anyhoo my 5pence piece now LOL

Nick
 
Daz

I remember daz before the packaging changed, it had a wonderful scent, used to remind me of my brothers house, as he lived in the countryside, and i remember me staying at his house in 2002, when i was 15, hanging his sheets and teatowels out after doing them at 40 degrees with Daz in his Hottie 9530, which he still has :), the scent was fantastic and it reminded me of the countryside :) and amazing everything was clean at 40 degrees, programme [5] on the hottie

Kyle xx
 
Irish version of the tablets

I suspect the major reason for the difference in the Irish and UK versions of the tablets is that Ireland has tighter control of phosphates and nitrates for environmental reasons. Algael blooms are taken rather seriously as they can destroy lakes, rivers and do serious economic damage to some rural areas that would have large industries built around water-based tourism. We're green enough without going as far as having green lakes.

The UK tabs contain phosphates, the Irish ones appear not to.

Also, some P&G and Unilever products here are sourced in other countries that use the Euro, rather than the UK. It makes significantly more economic sense. So, it's quite possible that P&G or Unilever's Irish subsiduary is using products that are part of the French, German or other Euro distribution network.
e.g. many products are sold in "EuroSmart" value packs.

In general, IRL has quite a few more environmental controls than the UK. E.g. plastic bags are taxed at 15cents per item (moving up to 25 cents). Recycling is pretty much compulsary as you're charged by weight or volume (per KG) for non recyclable collection. If you don't recycle, you pay quite heavily.

In our area there is a microchip in the handle of the trash can (wheelie bin) when the bin's lifted the truck weighs the contents and you're invoiced every 3 months.
The green bin (Recyclables) and the Brown Bin (compostables) are collected for free.

To avoid issues like neighbours dumping stuff into other's bins. They have gravity locks! i.e. there's a lock in the lid that will only open with a key or if the bin's fully inverted by the truck during emptying.

If you put the wrong items into the wrong bin you can end up having your collection service withdrawn or really large fines.

We're rapidly turned into a bunch of northern european tightasses when it comes to such issues.

You should see the looks you get in a supermarket if you ask for bags!!
You get a look from old ladies in the queue behind you and the check out people like as if you'd asked for some extra veal to go with your freshly clubbed baby seal.

That and smoking in any enclosed space (other than your own private home) is illegal and we've a €3000 fine to back that up. What's worse (for smokers, of which I am not one) - The ban is extremely popular.
Bars, cafés, restaurants, etc etc are all 100% smoke free.
 
I've been using Bold recently, as some of you already know, and I've actually found it to be a very impressive product. Rinses out *way* better than Ariel - with the liquid and liquitabs the first and second rinses are *clear*, and that's with the default 2 rinses on the Miele without water plus selected. There is little smell left over on the laundry afterwards either - it rinses out just as well as Persil powders! (i.e. it can fully rinse out even with the default rinse cycles, with other detergents I always have to use water plus).

Bold is definitely unlike other P&G products, in that it rinses out well and hardly sudses at all - maybe because of the added fabric softener. BTW, Nick, I haven't had to rewash anything when using Bold as of yet, and I ran a little test on whites the other weekend and Bold actually got white socks cleaner than the same dose of Persil bio! (I was shocked, too!). I also have a box of Fairy liquitabs at the moment, and I used them the other day and they were atrocious for sudsing & rinsing as are most other P&G products, though the P&G liquids tend to be good.

Bold is a nice laundry product, and I would definitely rank it up there with Persil as a good general detergent. Only Ocean Clear and Apple Blossom & Lime Zest for me though - not too keen on the other two flavours! I've found that the liquid & liquitab versions soften well, but the powder doesn't really make any difference over any other brand in terms of softening. I would definitely recommend Bold, anyway, alongside with Persil powder & tabs.

Ariel used to be my daily driver, but since they went to the new logo I've noticed that rinsing performance & smell has definitely got downhill - bring back the grass scented Ariel!

Jon
 
Sainsbury's detergents

As many others know here, the Sainsbury's Perform & Protect line replaced Sainsbury's Novon I believe... they sell German (Henkel) Persil but under their own brand. Unfortunately the megaperls have been discontinued (I love them - will be stocking up when I'm in Amsterdam in February!), but they still sell the liquid, liquitabs, softeners, and tablets.

Jon
 
Ownbrands

It seems that a company called McBride, the same people who make Surecare and Clean n' Fresh do the ownbrand stuff for quite a lot of the major supermarkets.

e.g. I suspect all the Tesco products, M&S etc .. they're all identically packaged.
 
A good way to tell which mfgr is making which product is to compare the packaging and coding....the design of the package (flap design, for instance) and how are any lot codes attached (dot matrix printed versus pressed/embossed into the box, what is the bottle design, ...
 

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