Many electronic-control systems have built-in surge protection ... aka the line filter component.
Brand new GE TL washers not so good? An FYI...
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Many electronic-control systems have built-in surge protection ... aka the line filter component.
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I only saw a BOL machine which, as I posted, seemed chintzy. Most BOL's do. the larger TOL which you see in the video (linked at my first post in this thread) may be a different story.
And, it would be good to know the rate of failure instead of the number. If most machines sold are one brand/model, you would expect more failures by number, and conversely fewer failures by number of less popular products.
I suspect GE tracks the failure rate and makes sure it's in line with what they paid. If not the vendor who made the offending part may absorb some or all of the loss depending. As in, "we paid for a part to fail within the agreed upon rate over time, your part is not meeting that specification" or some such legal sounding jumbo jumbo. Like non-refundable airline tickets, the cheapest stuff probably comes with little promise to perform for very long, buyer beware.
Sourcing agreements can be complicated. This speculation comes from witnessing and reading a lot about the 'new normal' of our economy, not direct experience. [this post was last edited: 2/13/2016-12:03]
I only saw a BOL machine which, as I posted, seemed chintzy. Most BOL's do. the larger TOL which you see in the video (linked at my first post in this thread) may be a different story.
And, it would be good to know the rate of failure instead of the number. If most machines sold are one brand/model, you would expect more failures by number, and conversely fewer failures by number of less popular products.
I suspect GE tracks the failure rate and makes sure it's in line with what they paid. If not the vendor who made the offending part may absorb some or all of the loss depending. As in, "we paid for a part to fail within the agreed upon rate over time, your part is not meeting that specification" or some such legal sounding jumbo jumbo. Like non-refundable airline tickets, the cheapest stuff probably comes with little promise to perform for very long, buyer beware.
Sourcing agreements can be complicated. This speculation comes from witnessing and reading a lot about the 'new normal' of our economy, not direct experience. [this post was last edited: 2/13/2016-12:03]
When I was working in the appliance department at HD for that ungodly four months of hell, the TOL GE Adora, that has since had its name dropped to just the "5.1 cu.ft" model, still had that same chintzy feel.. For some reason GE has allowed their suspension systems in their washers for the past 20 years to feel unstable and make horrible creaking popping noises when the tub is moved around. The Adora was the same. Lid, dispensers, control panel, everything.
I agree, their machines look nice and the aesthetic designs aren't bad, but that all takes a 180 flip when you actually get hands-on with them.
I almost never blame engineers with these issues. If we lived in a perfect world, and machines were built as the engineers INTENDED them to be built, our home appliances and automobiles would be entirely different than what they are. Big management gets their hands involved and strips them down, replacing anything they can with a cheap, flimsy alternative, and they won't have the first clue as to why the thing was built that way in the first place. But they don't care, so long as manufacturing costs are low, profits are high, and the majority of sales is funneling straight to their pockets.
I agree, their machines look nice and the aesthetic designs aren't bad, but that all takes a 180 flip when you actually get hands-on with them.
I almost never blame engineers with these issues. If we lived in a perfect world, and machines were built as the engineers INTENDED them to be built, our home appliances and automobiles would be entirely different than what they are. Big management gets their hands involved and strips them down, replacing anything they can with a cheap, flimsy alternative, and they won't have the first clue as to why the thing was built that way in the first place. But they don't care, so long as manufacturing costs are low, profits are high, and the majority of sales is funneling straight to their pockets.
creaky GE suspension
I can speak on this one, because it used to annoy the heck outta me when I'd play with machines at the stores. The GEs always had that stiff, creaky, metallic scraping suspension noise.
Until.
UNTIL! ...
I had a couple GE washers in apartments I've lived in.
Their suspension was incredibly quiet, light and pretty well balanced under normal conditions.
That creaky, squeaky, scrape-y sound from GE machines in the stores, is because the SHIPPING ROD is almost always left in those machines on the floor.
I can speak on this one, because it used to annoy the heck outta me when I'd play with machines at the stores. The GEs always had that stiff, creaky, metallic scraping suspension noise.
Until.
UNTIL! ...
I had a couple GE washers in apartments I've lived in.
Their suspension was incredibly quiet, light and pretty well balanced under normal conditions.
That creaky, squeaky, scrape-y sound from GE machines in the stores, is because the SHIPPING ROD is almost always left in those machines on the floor.
GE Laundry Appliances and Quality ??
IMEO GE has not sold a very good to excellent laundry appliance either built by them or sourced from another company since 1995 when it comes to long term reliability.
Yes GE has had some very good performing appliances such as their Canadian full sized dryers, BUT these dryers have about 1/2 the potential life span a Whirlpool or Speed Queen built dryer.
GE has not been the least bit serious about laundry appliances in over 20 years and it shows. IMEO GE still has some of the best electric [ and gas ] cooking appliances, some of their DWs are also pretty reliable, but usually have performance problems when it comes to cleaning.
GE has also built [ some ] good refrigerators in the past 20 years but most of the higher end products can be very troublesome and EXPENSIVE to repair, their Monogram built-ins are about the worst BIRs you can buy in terms of reliability and again are expensive and difficult to repair.
It will be exciting to see what Haier does with GEs appliance division, but one thing for sure I dough that the laundry line-up will suffer.
John L.
IMEO GE has not sold a very good to excellent laundry appliance either built by them or sourced from another company since 1995 when it comes to long term reliability.
Yes GE has had some very good performing appliances such as their Canadian full sized dryers, BUT these dryers have about 1/2 the potential life span a Whirlpool or Speed Queen built dryer.
GE has not been the least bit serious about laundry appliances in over 20 years and it shows. IMEO GE still has some of the best electric [ and gas ] cooking appliances, some of their DWs are also pretty reliable, but usually have performance problems when it comes to cleaning.
GE has also built [ some ] good refrigerators in the past 20 years but most of the higher end products can be very troublesome and EXPENSIVE to repair, their Monogram built-ins are about the worst BIRs you can buy in terms of reliability and again are expensive and difficult to repair.
It will be exciting to see what Haier does with GEs appliance division, but one thing for sure I dough that the laundry line-up will suffer.
John L.
cycle agitation/spin speeds
How does the agitation/spin speeds differ on the darks, colors and whites cycles?
How does the agitation/spin speeds differ on the darks, colors and whites cycles?
During my trip to the USA, my friends had just bought the GE set being discussed.
They bought this because it was "Made in USA," was reasonably priced and not filled with doodads, dingdongs and wubba-wizoo's, plus it had the deep-fill options and extra rinse too (helpful for washing babies' diapers etc). My friends were also insistent on getting a machine where YOU could control the water level.
I suggested SQ - and they did consider it, but couldn't find anything within their price reach.
To be quite honest, it felt far more solid than anything I've seen for sale here in Australia (excluding Miele or SQ).
While I don't like singing and beeping machines, these weren't too bad in that department.
Cleaning wasn't too bad (in fact better than I expected), although I suspect I would need more time with the machine to figure out the best cycle, temperature and soaking arrangements for my laundry requirements.
It seemed as though the machine gave you tap-hot, a decent warm wash and presumably a nice controlled-cold (I didn't test that because I HATE cold-water laundering).
Fill levels can be deep or "regular," that said, even without the deep option, the fill level was very generous and I wasn't concerned about excessive abrasion from too-low levels.
They bought this because it was "Made in USA," was reasonably priced and not filled with doodads, dingdongs and wubba-wizoo's, plus it had the deep-fill options and extra rinse too (helpful for washing babies' diapers etc). My friends were also insistent on getting a machine where YOU could control the water level.
I suggested SQ - and they did consider it, but couldn't find anything within their price reach.
To be quite honest, it felt far more solid than anything I've seen for sale here in Australia (excluding Miele or SQ).
While I don't like singing and beeping machines, these weren't too bad in that department.
Cleaning wasn't too bad (in fact better than I expected), although I suspect I would need more time with the machine to figure out the best cycle, temperature and soaking arrangements for my laundry requirements.
It seemed as though the machine gave you tap-hot, a decent warm wash and presumably a nice controlled-cold (I didn't test that because I HATE cold-water laundering).
Fill levels can be deep or "regular," that said, even without the deep option, the fill level was very generous and I wasn't concerned about excessive abrasion from too-low levels.
