petek
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Still haven't seen it which goes to show how much I enjoy watching movies I guess.
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maytagbear
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Pete-
You might actually like it. At least the outdoor scenes will be mighty familiar.
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You might actually like it. At least the outdoor scenes will be mighty familiar.
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whirlcool
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Another thing that got me about the movie was the poverty. I fly over central and north central Wyoming at least several times a week. Some parts have mountains, some parts have spaces so open and barren that you can't see a house or any civilization from horizon to horizon. I couldn't imagine living there, the isolation would get to me.
As for the movie, if Jack's parents didn't know, they suspected:
Watch Jack's momma REAL closely. She not only KNEW, she knew who Ennis was. And they both made a point of keeping their interactions away and out-of the sight of senior Mr. Twist(-ed).
Let's just say that paper bag was poised and ready for what was retrieved from the second floor room.
It took me three viewings of the movie to decide whether jack's wife knew. OMG are the clues subtle (or OMG am I getting dense as I mature).
Watch Jack's momma REAL closely. She not only KNEW, she knew who Ennis was. And they both made a point of keeping their interactions away and out-of the sight of senior Mr. Twist(-ed).
Let's just say that paper bag was poised and ready for what was retrieved from the second floor room.
It took me three viewings of the movie to decide whether jack's wife knew. OMG are the clues subtle (or OMG am I getting dense as I mature).
I watched the movie for the second time this past weekend while at Fred's. It is amazing at what you pick up each time you see it. This movie seems to haunt me! I bought my copy today at Walmart, price has gone up from last week to $19.97, so much for those falling prices.LOL Still as far as I am concerned it is a must have. Terry
whirlcool
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Toggles-
I agree with you, Jacks mother knew who Ennis was, and I suspect his father had more than a clue about it.
As for Luleen, I think she knew who Ennis was due the ultra chill in her voice while speaking with Ennis. At the end of the call she didn't even say "bye", she just hung up. She was also a little teary eyed as the conversation with Ennis proceeded. That's when I think the realization of who Ennis really is hits her.
I agree with you, Jacks mother knew who Ennis was, and I suspect his father had more than a clue about it.
As for Luleen, I think she knew who Ennis was due the ultra chill in her voice while speaking with Ennis. At the end of the call she didn't even say "bye", she just hung up. She was also a little teary eyed as the conversation with Ennis proceeded. That's when I think the realization of who Ennis really is hits her.
See?
Way cool.
More for me to look for upon the next viewing.
Way cool.
More for me to look for upon the next viewing.
sudsmaster
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I'm certain both Jack's parents knew of his relationships with men. Did anyone else pick that Randall the rancher was trying to pick up Jack outside the restaurant, and that they did hook up, as evidenced by Jack's father's relating of how Jack had wanted to get a divorce and move back to his parents' home and "whip the ranch into shape"?
I didn't get the closet significance at the end of the movie, that is a good point. And it took me until the second viewing to figure out that the stain on the sleeve was Jack's blood.
I'm sure Jack's wife knew of his gay liaisons, and that she didn't really care. It was more or less in the sing-song way she discussed with him why Ennis never came down to Texas for their "fishing" trips. But I think she also had real affection for Jack. What I was stunned by was the elaborate lie she made up to cover for what really happened to him. I also suspect that her father may have had something to do with it... in revenge for Jack at long last putting him in his place at the Thanksgiving dinner.
My favorite line from the movie: Jack telling Ennis one night up on the mountain: "It could be like this, always."
If only.
I didn't get the closet significance at the end of the movie, that is a good point. And it took me until the second viewing to figure out that the stain on the sleeve was Jack's blood.
I'm sure Jack's wife knew of his gay liaisons, and that she didn't really care. It was more or less in the sing-song way she discussed with him why Ennis never came down to Texas for their "fishing" trips. But I think she also had real affection for Jack. What I was stunned by was the elaborate lie she made up to cover for what really happened to him. I also suspect that her father may have had something to do with it... in revenge for Jack at long last putting him in his place at the Thanksgiving dinner.
My favorite line from the movie: Jack telling Ennis one night up on the mountain: "It could be like this, always."
If only.
veg-o-matic
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So what was it about Jack that kept "giving him away"? First the rodeo clown in the bar gives him the brushoff, then the other guy hits on him outside the country club (?), and then he gets killed by the 'phobes.
And what about Lurleen? All through the movie she's glamorous and fabulous. Then when she's relating the story of Jack's "accident" to Ennis, you can clearly see that she needs a manicure; what would you call fingernail "roots"? Why'd she start letting herself go? I can't believe it's because she was in mourning.
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And what about Lurleen? All through the movie she's glamorous and fabulous. Then when she's relating the story of Jack's "accident" to Ennis, you can clearly see that she needs a manicure; what would you call fingernail "roots"? Why'd she start letting herself go? I can't believe it's because she was in mourning.
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If I had lost Jack Twist to ANYONE i'd let myself go too.
whirlcool
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According to the author of the short story, the accident as Luleen describes is what actually happened to Jack. The tire iron scene you see is Ennis's imagination of what he thinks is what really happened to Jack.
Even the day after viewing this movie, I'm still haunted by it in a way. I learned quite a bit with this movie. But in my world, there are few if any people I can discuss it with.
Even the day after viewing this movie, I'm still haunted by it in a way. I learned quite a bit with this movie. But in my world, there are few if any people I can discuss it with.
sudsmaster
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So now he knew it had been the tire iron.
And yet, when Jack's father tells him of Jack's plan to bring his rancher neighbor up north to lick the ranch into shape, according to the short story:
"The old man spoke angrily. "I can't get no help out here. Jack
used a say, `Ennis del Mar,' he used a say, `I'm goin a bring him up here
one a these days and we'll lick this damn ranch into shape.' He had some
half baked idea the two a you was goin a move up here, build a log cabin,
and help me run this ranch and bring it up. Then this spring he's got
another one's goin a come up here with him and build a place and help run
the ranch, some ranch neighbor a his from down in Texas. He's goin a split
up with his wife and come back here. So he says. But like most a Jack's
ideas it never come to pass."
"So now he knew it had been the tire iron."
And yet, when Jack's father tells him of Jack's plan to bring his rancher neighbor up north to lick the ranch into shape, according to the short story:
"The old man spoke angrily. "I can't get no help out here. Jack
used a say, `Ennis del Mar,' he used a say, `I'm goin a bring him up here
one a these days and we'll lick this damn ranch into shape.' He had some
half baked idea the two a you was goin a move up here, build a log cabin,
and help me run this ranch and bring it up. Then this spring he's got
another one's goin a come up here with him and build a place and help run
the ranch, some ranch neighbor a his from down in Texas. He's goin a split
up with his wife and come back here. So he says. But like most a Jack's
ideas it never come to pass."
"So now he knew it had been the tire iron."
whirlcool
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and when Jacks Father tells Ennis about the neighbor from Texas that was going to come up to the ranch, Ennis then knew that there was somebody else. You could see the disappointment on Ennis' face!
sudsmaster
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Well, I don't know. It's perhaps good to remember that Annie Proulx pulled these characters and their story out of thin air, and then the screen writers had their way with it. There are bound to be gaps of logic in it, but then life isn't always that logical.
It's as much Ennis' story as anything else, and in that light his belief in the tire iron is perhaps as valid as what Jack's wife told him over the phone. It's not inconceivable that the local Texas gendarmes might have concocted the exploding truck rim story to cover up some good ol' boys' misdeed, and that Lureen didn't actually know the truth, just what she was told by the police. It's also not inconceivable that she didn't want the truth to be known, as it might adversely affect her farm equipment business.
However, I learned from reading the short story that Jack's father in law had passed away by the end of the story, so that the revenge motive doesn't hold water.
Speaking of Proulx, she wrote an interesting "rant" in the Guardian about how disappointed she was in the Oscar results. Quite entertaining, especially the description of the Academy members as "hefalumps", lol.
http://books.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1727309,00.html
It's as much Ennis' story as anything else, and in that light his belief in the tire iron is perhaps as valid as what Jack's wife told him over the phone. It's not inconceivable that the local Texas gendarmes might have concocted the exploding truck rim story to cover up some good ol' boys' misdeed, and that Lureen didn't actually know the truth, just what she was told by the police. It's also not inconceivable that she didn't want the truth to be known, as it might adversely affect her farm equipment business.
However, I learned from reading the short story that Jack's father in law had passed away by the end of the story, so that the revenge motive doesn't hold water.
Speaking of Proulx, she wrote an interesting "rant" in the Guardian about how disappointed she was in the Oscar results. Quite entertaining, especially the description of the Academy members as "hefalumps", lol.
http://books.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1727309,00.html
Ending closet scene...
"Jack, I swear."
I'm glad you mentioned that closet scene, that was a very powerful scene, IMO. When Fred, Charlie, Terry, Jeff and I watched it Sunday at Fred's house, we talked about it after the movie. Not only was the shirts being kept in the closet intriguing, but the WAY they were hung was too. I thought it was very interesting that when Ennis pulled the shirts from the closet at Jack's parent's house, the blue shirt (Jack's) was on the outside. When Ennis opened the clost door at the end, the plaid (his own shirt) was on the outside and the blue shirt was inside it.
"Jack, I swear."
I'm glad you mentioned that closet scene, that was a very powerful scene, IMO. When Fred, Charlie, Terry, Jeff and I watched it Sunday at Fred's house, we talked about it after the movie. Not only was the shirts being kept in the closet intriguing, but the WAY they were hung was too. I thought it was very interesting that when Ennis pulled the shirts from the closet at Jack's parent's house, the blue shirt (Jack's) was on the outside. When Ennis opened the clost door at the end, the plaid (his own shirt) was on the outside and the blue shirt was inside it.
The spirtual symoblism was VERY moving.
whirlcool
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We are still amazed at what a powerful movie this was. I guess it was just the right combination of circumstances and people all at the wrong time.
We noticed that about the shirts at the end of the movie too. We were wondering if it was a props mistake.
This movies ending kind of leaves you hanging. I am just wondering whatever happened to Ennis in the end. Does he just waste away out there in the Wyoming plains? Even though I could not imagine myself in that type of experience, I do feel that he'll regret the shoulda, coulda, woulda, for the rest of his natural days.
Beleive it or not we watched it a second time last night and we got more out of it. I think the first time thru we missed a bit in the beginning getting used to the "rural speak".
One little tidbit, Riverton, Wyo (where part of the movie is susposed to take place)has a VOR (an aviation navigational station) located there. It is on the main route between DEN and points east. We fly over it several times a week, I'll tell you that's very barren territory down there!
We noticed that about the shirts at the end of the movie too. We were wondering if it was a props mistake.
This movies ending kind of leaves you hanging. I am just wondering whatever happened to Ennis in the end. Does he just waste away out there in the Wyoming plains? Even though I could not imagine myself in that type of experience, I do feel that he'll regret the shoulda, coulda, woulda, for the rest of his natural days.
Beleive it or not we watched it a second time last night and we got more out of it. I think the first time thru we missed a bit in the beginning getting used to the "rural speak".
One little tidbit, Riverton, Wyo (where part of the movie is susposed to take place)has a VOR (an aviation navigational station) located there. It is on the main route between DEN and points east. We fly over it several times a week, I'll tell you that's very barren territory down there!
life continues no matter what...........
Proving once again that LOVE is the glue that holds all things together. So let's all forgive, forget, overlook and do our best to help and love others selflessly.
All that remains when two meters of dirt is thrown over our shells(bodies) is love and good memories............and with any luck a FABULOUS estate sale that others will drool over.
and with any luck someone at the rear of the church will come up to my coffin saying, B--ch, you are one twisted, fun mystery, now get the f--- off this planet and let's all move on!
Proving once again that LOVE is the glue that holds all things together. So let's all forgive, forget, overlook and do our best to help and love others selflessly.
All that remains when two meters of dirt is thrown over our shells(bodies) is love and good memories............and with any luck a FABULOUS estate sale that others will drool over.
and with any luck someone at the rear of the church will come up to my coffin saying, B--ch, you are one twisted, fun mystery, now get the f--- off this planet and let's all move on!
I am just wondering whatever happened to Ennis in the end.
Well, at least as soon as his child-support payments ended, he was able to buy a trailer for himself.
Well, at least as soon as his child-support payments ended, he was able to buy a trailer for himself.
veg-o-matic
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Those shirts get me every time.
No, the reversal of the shirts on the hanger wasn't a lapse in continuity. At least I don't think so.
I saw it as the outer shirt "embracing" the inner. In Jack's closet, it was his shirt on the outside. The reverse in Ennis'.
I may have mentioned this, but the shirts were sold on ebay for over 100Gs to a gay rights activist whose name escapes me. He's keeping the shirts just the way they are, thank goodness! He apparently said something to the tune of "they're the Ruby Slippers for a new generation." I couldn't agree more.
veg
No, the reversal of the shirts on the hanger wasn't a lapse in continuity. At least I don't think so.
I saw it as the outer shirt "embracing" the inner. In Jack's closet, it was his shirt on the outside. The reverse in Ennis'.
I may have mentioned this, but the shirts were sold on ebay for over 100Gs to a gay rights activist whose name escapes me. He's keeping the shirts just the way they are, thank goodness! He apparently said something to the tune of "they're the Ruby Slippers for a new generation." I couldn't agree more.
veg
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