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I finally saw it last weekend. I shed a few tears, but didn't think while leaving the theater it would haunt me for days afterwards...but it has.

I agree with Rich/Sudsmaster when he says: "The film portrays the chaos and dismay that can occur when two people - regardless of orientation - with lifelong genuine affection for each other are not able to acknowledge it openly, or be together." That statement and the mood of the movie itself..the cinematography, the music, etc...that is what has stuck with me since Saturday [sigh].
 
The movie's ending is perhaps best described as bitter-sweet. There is some violence in it, but it's not gratuitous, it's all in the plot. Certainly less violence than many dramatic movies being made today. Ditto for the gore.
 
It has beautiful scenery and a good soundtrack.

Without telling too much for those who have not seen it. Did anybody else think we would be seeing the harmonica again? alr2903.
 
While I thought the movie was good.....

I was left with tons of questions at the end. Like What REALLY happened? Did Jack's wife know anything, did Jack's parents know anything about their freindship? I suspect that they did by all the "help" he was susposed to have come to the ranch and live there. I didn't think that these guys were gay at all, just bi with Jack leaning towards men and Ennis leaning towards women. I think that Ennis just got swept into this relationship by accident and got taken away by it. I think too much was left for us to figure out in the end of this film.
Sudsmaster, you were right about the violence in this movie, but I never saw it coming and by the time I realized what happened it was over and gone.
Without trying to spoil it for others, my wife had to remind me that that was a closet door that was being closed at the end.
And I do believe these kind of relationships exist between some men, back in my early days of flying I showed up early for a flight out of MEM, no passengers or agents were at the gate yet. As I opened the door to go down the jetway, I saw something move out of the corner of my eye. In the back of the gate desk there is a coat rack that is hidden from view of the concourse by the height of the wall behind where the agent stands. What I saw move was my Captain kissing another man! I just scurried down the jetway and didn't say anything, but I was freaked out that entire trip! I never would have suspected as this Captain was married with kids too. And as a relatively new F/O I dare not "rock the boat" with a Captain.
Back to the movie, if you go out around Kerrville & Hunt, Texas you start finding the kind of guys that were in this movie. They say very little, keep everything in, etc. It seems you never know what they are thinking. I think the BBM movie really is about what are the true things that make up a man.
 
a few thoughts

I like whirlcools comments. The film is based on a short story (is on the net, worth reading). In the story, the author places Jack as gay and Ennis as emotionally repressed.
It was definitely meant as a gay love and meeting of soul-mates under ill-crossed stars. They didn't just fall into it, is was them. The symbolism of shirt in shirt with the blood...oh, man. That one got me crying...along with the two (straight) cowboys I was sitting next to in the theater.
Most of the other questions were also left open by the author. The violence is very real---Matthew Shepard was tortured and murdered just around the corner from my folk's place up on the Wyoming border.
Just one of the many reasons I am SO looking forward to returning to the 'States...over here (except for a lot of the Turkish immigrants and many of the Poles for some reason) everybody is pretty much into "live and let live."
If anybody knows what life is like for a gay man in Northern Colorado/Southern Wyoming these days, would love to hear from them. Damn, I loved growing up in the Rockies...hate seeing what the US seems to have become in the last years.
 
Let's put it this way. I saw a fabulous T-shirt in West Hollywood, California

MODERN AMERICA:
(Map underneath. Depicted were:)

An area around Los Angeles and San Francisco, California
An area around Chicago, Illinois
an area Around New York City, New York.

PERIOD.
 
And so should

Northeastern Ohio! Many of the counties in Northeastern Ohio went to Kerry. Including my own county, Portage. Cuyahoga County (Cleveland), and Summit County (Akron,) also were blue.

On my other board, there's a dude who lives in Boston, grew up in Jersey who always scorns the flyover. I do not love what I call "coastal chauvinism." There are intelligent, caring people all over the country, all over the world.

As for the movie, if Jack's parents didn't know, they suspected, and I firmly, firmly believe that Jack's dad had his own adventure(s) on Brokeback Mountain.

Ennis's wife knew...especially from the Thanksgiving scene, and if Jack's wife didn't know before, she certainly knew after.

I do think that Jack and Ennis were gay, but the time and place they were in forced them into bisexual BEHAVIOUR, if not bisexual identity.

I am not going to buy the dvd, but I am going to rent it (or borrow it,) and see it again. There are several scenes in which I am going to use all the dvd player tricks.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
Another thing that got me about the movie was the poverty. I fly over central and north central Wyoming at least several times a week. Some parts have mountains, some parts have spaces so open and barren that you can't see a house or any civilization from horizon to horizon. I couldn't imagine living there, the isolation would get to me.
 
As for the movie, if Jack's parents didn't know, they suspected:

Watch Jack's momma REAL closely. She not only KNEW, she knew who Ennis was. And they both made a point of keeping their interactions away and out-of the sight of senior Mr. Twist(-ed).

Let's just say that paper bag was poised and ready for what was retrieved from the second floor room.

It took me three viewings of the movie to decide whether jack's wife knew. OMG are the clues subtle (or OMG am I getting dense as I mature).
 
I watched the movie for the second time this past weekend while at Fred's. It is amazing at what you pick up each time you see it. This movie seems to haunt me! I bought my copy today at Walmart, price has gone up from last week to $19.97, so much for those falling prices.LOL Still as far as I am concerned it is a must have. Terry
 
Toggles-

I agree with you, Jacks mother knew who Ennis was, and I suspect his father had more than a clue about it.
As for Luleen, I think she knew who Ennis was due the ultra chill in her voice while speaking with Ennis. At the end of the call she didn't even say "bye", she just hung up. She was also a little teary eyed as the conversation with Ennis proceeded. That's when I think the realization of who Ennis really is hits her.
 
I'm certain both Jack's parents knew of his relationships with men. Did anyone else pick that Randall the rancher was trying to pick up Jack outside the restaurant, and that they did hook up, as evidenced by Jack's father's relating of how Jack had wanted to get a divorce and move back to his parents' home and "whip the ranch into shape"?

I didn't get the closet significance at the end of the movie, that is a good point. And it took me until the second viewing to figure out that the stain on the sleeve was Jack's blood.

I'm sure Jack's wife knew of his gay liaisons, and that she didn't really care. It was more or less in the sing-song way she discussed with him why Ennis never came down to Texas for their "fishing" trips. But I think she also had real affection for Jack. What I was stunned by was the elaborate lie she made up to cover for what really happened to him. I also suspect that her father may have had something to do with it... in revenge for Jack at long last putting him in his place at the Thanksgiving dinner.

My favorite line from the movie: Jack telling Ennis one night up on the mountain: "It could be like this, always."

If only.
 
So what was it about Jack that kept "giving him away"? First the rodeo clown in the bar gives him the brushoff, then the other guy hits on him outside the country club (?), and then he gets killed by the 'phobes.

And what about Lurleen? All through the movie she's glamorous and fabulous. Then when she's relating the story of Jack's "accident" to Ennis, you can clearly see that she needs a manicure; what would you call fingernail "roots"? Why'd she start letting herself go? I can't believe it's because she was in mourning.

veg
 
According to the author of the short story, the accident as Luleen describes is what actually happened to Jack. The tire iron scene you see is Ennis's imagination of what he thinks is what really happened to Jack.

Even the day after viewing this movie, I'm still haunted by it in a way. I learned quite a bit with this movie. But in my world, there are few if any people I can discuss it with.
 
So now he knew it had been the tire iron.

And yet, when Jack's father tells him of Jack's plan to bring his rancher neighbor up north to lick the ranch into shape, according to the short story:

"The old man spoke angrily. "I can't get no help out here. Jack
used a say, `Ennis del Mar,' he used a say, `I'm goin a bring him up here
one a these days and we'll lick this damn ranch into shape.' He had some
half baked idea the two a you was goin a move up here, build a log cabin,
and help me run this ranch and bring it up. Then this spring he's got
another one's goin a come up here with him and build a place and help run
the ranch, some ranch neighbor a his from down in Texas. He's goin a split
up with his wife and come back here. So he says. But like most a Jack's
ideas it never come to pass."

"So now he knew it had been the tire iron."
 
Well, I don't know. It's perhaps good to remember that Annie Proulx pulled these characters and their story out of thin air, and then the screen writers had their way with it. There are bound to be gaps of logic in it, but then life isn't always that logical.

It's as much Ennis' story as anything else, and in that light his belief in the tire iron is perhaps as valid as what Jack's wife told him over the phone. It's not inconceivable that the local Texas gendarmes might have concocted the exploding truck rim story to cover up some good ol' boys' misdeed, and that Lureen didn't actually know the truth, just what she was told by the police. It's also not inconceivable that she didn't want the truth to be known, as it might adversely affect her farm equipment business.

However, I learned from reading the short story that Jack's father in law had passed away by the end of the story, so that the revenge motive doesn't hold water.

Speaking of Proulx, she wrote an interesting "rant" in the Guardian about how disappointed she was in the Oscar results. Quite entertaining, especially the description of the Academy members as "hefalumps", lol.

http://books.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1727309,00.html
 
Ending closet scene...

"Jack, I swear."

I'm glad you mentioned that closet scene, that was a very powerful scene, IMO. When Fred, Charlie, Terry, Jeff and I watched it Sunday at Fred's house, we talked about it after the movie. Not only was the shirts being kept in the closet intriguing, but the WAY they were hung was too. I thought it was very interesting that when Ennis pulled the shirts from the closet at Jack's parent's house, the blue shirt (Jack's) was on the outside. When Ennis opened the clost door at the end, the plaid (his own shirt) was on the outside and the blue shirt was inside it.
 
We are still amazed at what a powerful movie this was. I guess it was just the right combination of circumstances and people all at the wrong time.
We noticed that about the shirts at the end of the movie too. We were wondering if it was a props mistake.
This movies ending kind of leaves you hanging. I am just wondering whatever happened to Ennis in the end. Does he just waste away out there in the Wyoming plains? Even though I could not imagine myself in that type of experience, I do feel that he'll regret the shoulda, coulda, woulda, for the rest of his natural days.
Beleive it or not we watched it a second time last night and we got more out of it. I think the first time thru we missed a bit in the beginning getting used to the "rural speak".
One little tidbit, Riverton, Wyo (where part of the movie is susposed to take place)has a VOR (an aviation navigational station) located there. It is on the main route between DEN and points east. We fly over it several times a week, I'll tell you that's very barren territory down there!
 
life continues no matter what...........

Proving once again that LOVE is the glue that holds all things together. So let's all forgive, forget, overlook and do our best to help and love others selflessly.

All that remains when two meters of dirt is thrown over our shells(bodies) is love and good memories............and with any luck a FABULOUS estate sale that others will drool over.

and with any luck someone at the rear of the church will come up to my coffin saying, B--ch, you are one twisted, fun mystery, now get the f--- off this planet and let's all move on!
 
I am just wondering whatever happened to Ennis in the end.

Well, at least as soon as his child-support payments ended, he was able to buy a trailer for himself.
 
Those shirts get me every time.

No, the reversal of the shirts on the hanger wasn't a lapse in continuity. At least I don't think so.

I saw it as the outer shirt "embracing" the inner. In Jack's closet, it was his shirt on the outside. The reverse in Ennis'.

I may have mentioned this, but the shirts were sold on ebay for over 100Gs to a gay rights activist whose name escapes me. He's keeping the shirts just the way they are, thank goodness! He apparently said something to the tune of "they're the Ruby Slippers for a new generation." I couldn't agree more.

veg
 

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