Cascade Platinum over sudsing

[maytaga806]

Hello all, in recent times I’ve tried most of the cascade pacs. I’m more of a gel and powder type, I always use the Cascade Complete with OXI gel which is non chlorinated and for you scent freaks like me it smells like a very strong mountain breeze with a twist of citrus, it’s a bright ocean blue gel, and it’s absolutely delicious smelling and works so very well. Cleans and shines without sudsing at all really. But today they didn’t have any gel at my store so I wanted to try these, and oh goodness they smell absolutely incredible and remind me of when I used these in my newer Maytag jetclean and vintage hotpoint several years ago. These are the lemon ones, and actually a month or so ago I bought the original platinum in a small pack to try out, and it didn’t over suds at all. For context I own a Whirlpool powerclean in my new place, so of course it’s going to cause sudsing with most pacs. But as said, last few times I purchased these pacs they didn’t foam too much. This time they are extremely sudsy in my dishwasher during the wash, and I’m concerned it could spill out the front at some point if I’m not around it. I found a trick that actually works to help de-suds the wash cycle, just add some cascade complete gel and start it back up and it should immediately clear most of the suds. I always have a bottle of it on hand under my sink, but there are many other remedies as well than just that. Just found it interesting.

When the dishwasher starts to get real foamy, just out of curiosity, does it make the motor have to work harder? Is it a bad thing for it to get real sudsy just during the main wash? Let me know if this happens to you with a modern machine, since mine is a late 90s design. But I’m just wondering because if it can affect the longevity of my machine I’ll have to not use this detergent.

 

[maytaga806]

Also I left this out, when it got this sudsy you could barley hear the water jetting out of the arms and hitting the walls, just the motor slightly stiffening from the suds and of course became much quieter with just the normal hum of the motor and no sloshing/hurricane in a box sounds. So yes, it was very sudsy and not just a little bit.

 

[lakewebsterkid]

Too much suds

I know this sounds bad, but, cut the pac and empty the powder into the dispenser. No suds issues when you do this. That way you can still use it.

 

[qsd-dan]

I'm guessing you have naturally or mechanically softened water. Cut the pac in half and distribute 50/50 between the prewash and main wash dispensers. You may have to distribute more detergent in the prewash cup if the main wash is still suds locking by the end of the cycle.

 

 

 

[DADoES]

 
My well water is untreated, 9+ grains.  As mentioned and depicted in a previous discussion of pods, Cascade Platinum causes oversudsing such that 1) the spray arm is buried in suds, 2) spray force is impaired, and 3) more water may be added to compensate for what has turned to suds and reduced the current draw of the pump.

Good luck cutting them in half ...

 

[tomturbomatic]

The other thing you can do I buy simethicone or Gas-X and add one or two of the gel caps to the main wash dispenser and you won't have over sudsing problems.

 

[rolls_rapide]

I've been experimenting a bit with the P&G 'Fairy Platinum Plus' version.

Cold water seems to cause excessive foaming. So I don't put it in the prewash, I put it in the mainwash dispenser. The warmer water (cold, heated by prewash to 40°C) seems to dull the suds a bit - but not always.

I've noticed that if I place a couple of cheap tablets in the prewash, on the filter plate itself (prewash virtually always moves directly to mainwash without draining) and a P&G pod in the dispenser, the suds are also kept under control. I was also further surprised with that combination, as tomato sauce stains on plates and pans which I fully expected to migrate to a plastic chopping board, didn't - the board stayed stain-free.

 

[petek]

Good grief . Who wants all that hassle to wash dishes in a dishwasher.. You get one to relieve yourself of a burden, not the other way round LOL.

 

[maytaga806]

By the way, does anyone know what the colored gels are on the top face of the “action pac”? For instance like mentioned I have the lemon cascade platinum, which has three liquid filled sections over the powder portion, one is green, purple, and yellow. Yellow i would imagine being colored fragrance. I have no idea what the other two are? Where is the so called dawn in these? Is it in the powder or one of the liquid spots?

It seems hit or miss of these things being sudsy, I’ve purchased the other scented platinum pacs and they didn’t over suds at all in the same dishwasher, and now I get the lemon scented ones and they create tons of foam, I like a little suds to the wash but that many seems unhealthy for it.

 

[combo52]

We Have Been Having A lot of Problems With Suds

With Cascade Platinum Tablets, it has caused a lot of service calls because it makes some DWs actually leak and it is much worse on older DWs with a powerful pump and a lot of water action.

 

If you have problems call P&G and they will refund or replace the product, it also seems that they made some bad batches of these pods.

 

John L.

 

[askolover]

That's why I stick with chlorine based gel or powders in my 90's era dishwashers...no suds but sparkling clean dishes!  They were designed for these detergents back then.

 

[maytaga806]

I’ve tried the original chlorinated gels and they make the entire dishwasher smell like bleach, and the dishes. Not a fan of bleach. So I stay as far away from it as I can with detergents. They have never done me well either which surprised me knowing it contains chlorine so I switched to the cascade complete gel with doesn’t contain chlorine and leaves the best scent I’ve ever inhaled in my life inside the machine after it’s complete, without leaving the dishes smelling like it. Anyways, knowing that I got this same platinum product last time in a different scent and it didn’t over suds, I think I should call them and get a replacement if I notice the dishes coming out soapy or not rinsed enough.

If anyone knows what these colored liquid sections are in the cascade pacs, let me know. Cant find anywhere as to what they are filled with.

 

[cliff]

Over suds

I am half way through a package of 52 count Cascade Platinum Plus, and yesterday and now today I am finding that the tub is full of suds, and it is going out onto the flooring.

 

[mattl]

It's got to be the water. I struggled through a few packs of Finish ultimate and just glad to be back to Cascade P+. I was washing smaller loads and still getting a share of stuff coming out dirty. My DW has ball bearing racks upper and lower and they stared to pull hard with Finish, a few loads with Cascade and they glide easily.
That, plus the fact I can really load up the DW again and everything comes out clean.In the 3+ years I've had the KA using Cascade I can count on one hand stuff that did not come out clean. Other have the opposite experience and I think it comes down to the water hardness.

 

[lakewebsterkid]

Sudsing

If you want to use the remainder of the pacs, just put the powder in and dispose of the gel top. It is very likely the water softening agent is in the colored gel. After doing this, I have never had issues with sudsing. Though, the KitchenAid has never had issues with sudsing, but our Point Voyager always did because it added the rinse aid during the wash. I have witnessed relatives who have had similar issues but prewash dishes before they put them in the dishwasher.

 

[appnut]

Matt, I've had far superior ressults with the Bosch & Finish (Classic or Quantum) vs. the strongest Cascade Complete and a Kenmore Elite (WP product). And I have far superior cycle/option/water temperature and dry cycle results with the Bosch than any WP product.

 

[mattl]

Bob, I believe that- different machines and different water yields different results. Kroger had 18 packs of Finish for $3 with coupon so I bought a couple. Initially things were OK, but as time went on I  found more and more items that were not clean.  For me CP+ gets my silverware spotless no matter how I load it, not so much wit Finish. Found a number of times Finish did not get my coffee cups and other upper level stuff totally clean.

 

Oh well, I have a hand full of Finish pods that I'll use up on smaller loads, glad it works well for you.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

oversudsing

I have had this issue with Cascade Platinum Plus in my dishwasher, which is why I switched to Finish Ultimate.

 

[qsd-dan]

"I believe that- different machines and different water yields different results."

Even different machines on the exact same water source and detergent will react differently. I could use a pod in Kenmore Ultrawash without a problem but it would suds lock in 1-2 minutes on the KDS-18 and KDS-19. Those 1/2 HP Kitchenaid dishwashers don't f-around.