Cascade w/ the power of Clorox

[neptuneguy27]

I had to pick a few things at the grocery store this evening on the way home from work and on a whim I took a stroll down the dishwasher detergent aisle as my stash was running low. That is where I found the aforementioned product. Always a sucker for a new product, I picked up a bag. I am washing a load right now with one of the packets so we'll see how it does. It is interesting that this detergent claims it has enzymes but they are also touting the Clorox aspect of it. Which makes me wonder if the bleaching component is Clorox 2?

As far as I am aware enzymes and chlorine bleach aren't not that effective when used together as the chlorine kills off the enzymes. But when I opened the bag, it did have odor reminiscent of good old fashioned bleach. It wasn't strong per se, but it did have a slight bleach smell.

Also, I noticed this statement on the bag in about 3 places: "Cascade with the power of Clorox is great to use with all of your dishwasher safe dishes". I found that to be rather odd. I cannot recall ever seeing a statement worded like that. Typically, it they just tell you to make sure your dishes, utensils, etc. are dishwasher safe. Perhaps P&G ran into some trouble?

Anyways, just thought I'd share especially, in light of the other thread with talks of P&G shedding products. Thought it was interesting to see another new version out there lol.

Chris

http://www.cascadeclean.com/us/cascade/product/actionpacs-with-clorox

 

[labboy]

Interesting how the ingredients don't mention any chlorine based compound.

I would imagine (since it is a pack/separated product) they have the enzyme component in the portion that dissolves sooner then the chlorine component would dissolve later. This would allow the enzymes to do their work earlier in the cycle with lower temperatures then the chlorine to act later (also with hotter temperatures where it would work better).

 

[murando531]

I've actually been looking for a detergent that is chlorine based! You'll have to give updates on how it performs versus Cascade Platinum or Complete. I love my Finish Powerball tabs a lot, but I'd like something to throw in every few loads to help keep the tub white, as I'm still waiting for a few stubborn marks to fade off with numerous washes. I'm hesitant about putting actual bleach into the machine too often, because I don't want to cause any more wear on the seals and gaskets than necessary, though I only use a tiny splash if I do, so I'd love having a detergent that is designed for it.

 

[jerrod6]

It says with the power of clorox

NOT that it has anything to do with clorox chlorine bleach.  I saw these this weekend.  Didn't buy it.  This is nothing but a marketing ploy to get sales, because many associate clorox with chlorine bleach cleaning and disinfecting properties. Not even all of the clorox products are rated for disinfecting, only clorox original, so those other forms in the jugs that say clorox even say they won't disinfect in the small print.

 

No doubt it may clean very well but just because the name clorox is on it doesn't mean it contains chlorine bleach.. in fact it probably doesn't.... That's why they are saying "with the POWER of clorox"...so someone can't sue the pants off of them.

 

Just marketing so someone will pay them money that's all. 

 

 

[kenmore71]

Almost all dishwasher gels are chlorine based. Most powders are enzyme based.

 

The ingredients you want to look for if you want chlorine are:

Sodium hypochlorite or in powder form in detergents it's often in this form -

Sodium Dichloro-S-Triazinetrione dihydrate.

 

Oxygen bleach is Sodium Percarbonate.

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[logixx]

Sodium Percarbonate is what the MSDS sheet lists.

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[launderess]

Clorox Is A Brand

Just as various other products by P&G with a *touch* of "Lenor, Downy, Dawn" and so forth it is nothing more than a marketing pitch playing upon association.

Most all automatic dishwasher detergents contain bleach, either chlorine or oxygen none the less still bleach. There is nothing different one shouldn't wonder about this version of Cascade than any of the others with oxygen bleaching systems.

Most all P&G laundry and dishwashing products start from the same main formula. Then things branch off to add different scents (or not) and other properties. You can see this in that the MSDS for Tide liquid detergents covers most all variations from "with Downy" to "Free & Gentle". The differences are coloring/dyes, perfumes and a few other bits, but under the bonnet essentially all are the same.

Cascade is no different. P&G is not out there making totally different versions of this product. Rather all are variations of the same formula depending upon format (gel, powder, pod).

It all comes down to getting more sales from a mature product brand. If normal Cascade isn't moving slap "Clorox" onto the packet and viola, you have something that hopefully will be considered new and improved enough to sell. In the grand scheme of things if units of one variation don't move it can be dropped from the lineup. Again it isn't as if an entire new plant or production line was created for said product.

 

[danemodsandy]

This Just About....

....Sums up what I effin' hate about today's penchant for "cross-branding."

There was a time when Clorox was one product that did two things superbly well. It whitened whites, and it disinfected. You knew exactly what Clorox was, what it did and why you should buy it.

Now - we have Clorox this, Clorox that and Clorox the other. Does the all-purpose cleaner disinfect? Do the wipes? What with? Is the Clorox in your dishwasher detergent chlorinated or not? And if not, what does that mean? Why should you buy Clorox-branded products if they don't contain Clorox? Does anyone really have a good answer - besides just buying these products because they have a once-famous brand name on them? I don't think so.

Cross-branding just promotes confusion, in my opinion. And if I learned anything from my long-ago time in retail, it's that a customer who's confused about something buys something else.

 

[neptuneguy27]

1 wash down and another one going

So last nights wash load wasn't very large nor very dirty; so I didn't expect anything but good results. Tonight's load is a different story. It's a full load and rather soiled as the dishwasher added about 20 mins to main wash of the "Sensor Wash" program.

The true test will be my stainless steel pot that was used for the buttered parsley potatoes tonight. I judge dishwasher detergents on how well they remove starch residue and eliminate that weird bluish sheen that only starch based residues seem to leave on my stainless steel. Sometimes Finish tabs can remove it, other times not so much. One thing I did notice however, was my stainless steel table knives came out looking much shinier than when I use any other detergents, including Cascade Platinum. I am keen to see if I get the same results tonight. Stayed tuned and I'll post a picture of my pot after the cycle finishes. I should have taken a before pic, but I didn't think of it in time.

Chris

 

[mich]

I think...

Clorox is in the process of buying the Cascade name, and product, so this may be apart of that.

 

[logixx]

Cross-branding

Another favorite of mine would be Cascade with (the grease-fighting power of) Dawn. I wonder if some people went ahead and poured liquid Dawn into their dishwasher, thinking they would achieve the same.

 

[supersuds]

Pouring Dawn into dishwasher

If anyone ever did do that, they would never do it again!

 

[neptuneguy27]

Load finished

So, I am impressed. The pot came clean with no residue or weird blue sheen and my knives were shiny again. I may switch to this once my other detergents are gone.

Dawn in the dishwasher.... My mother regaled me with a tale of an incident involving her 1st dishwasher, a 1974 Whirlpool, and a "drop" of Ivory dishwashing liquid: They were cleaning up suds for hours. Apparently, the Cascade box was empty and my father suggested just a drop of dish liquid. About 10-15 mins. later the kitchen was full of suds!As was the living room and dining room. lol. Mom said she was about 4 or 5 months pregnant with me at the time. This would have put the timeline somewhere in July or August.

Growing up I was always told that if I ever made that "mistake" I'd be the one stuck cleaning it up, lol.

Chris

 

[danemodsandy]

Dawn in the Dishwasher....

....Leaves you feeling just like Cyd Charisse!

 

[murando531]

That all makes perfect sense now that it's mentioned. I can study the inner workings of a dishwasher and tell you exactly what its strong points and weaknesses are, but as far as the chemical aspect of detergents I have only a basic understanding. I know enough to help me in buying a detergent that I know will work because it is not over-saturated with gimmicks like scents and such, like Cascade with Gain or Thai Dragon Fruit scent for example, but like most people, when I see the word Clorox, I assume that it has some form of true chlorine bleach added into the mix. They are ever so vague on the packaging about what chemicals are used, causing even more confusion. When it comes to the difference between Cascade Complete and Platinum, or Finish Powerball tabs and Quantum tabs, I don't know how to decipher what sets them apart. Cascade leaves barely a slight chalky residue on plastics, basically invisible and unnoticeable to most, but when compared directly to a load washed with Finish is like night and day. This is with each variant of the products, and at that point, why pay extra on Quantum when the normal Powerball does a perfect job already?

 

[circlew]

One of my cousins put Tide powder in her dishwasher, with results we would all expect.

 

[launderess]

One evening years ago in our first apartment out of college was making dinner when a knock came at the front door. It was the young lad who lived a floor below with flat mates.

After exchanging pleasantries the lad explained he had an "emergency" and could one come down at once. Upon arriving to the flat and entering the kitchen saw at once the problem, the floor was covered in froth and more was still oozing out of the dishwasher. Apparently out of automatic dishwashing detergent the lad used washing up liquid. It was like a scene out of the Brady Bunch. *LOL*

Stopped the machine and asked for a bottle of cooking oil; opened door and after dosing a good amount of same in allowed the machine to continue, problem solved. Went back home to fetch a mop and bucket then helped clean up the froth mess. Needless to say gave the lad firm but polite talking to about proper use of dishwashers. *LOL*

Turns out like many young men the kid had never used a dishwasher before (his mother handled all domestic chores at home), so was totally ignorant.

Every single early/vintage dishwasher owners manual one has read including the one that came with our Mobile Maid warns emphatically against using anything else but automatic dishwashing detergent. This incudes soap and washing up liquid.

 

[logixx]

I was going to mention that Henkel currently runs a promotion to sell off inventory of Somat 12 with Pril-Effect. The promotion being that a bottle of Pril washing-up liquid is attached to each Somat 12 box. So now they sell dishwasher tabs which claim to have the added strength of Pril washing-up liquid... along with a bottle of Pril!

Howeverrrr, before making fun of this, I remembered that I actually always add a teaspoon of washing-up liquid to the heated prewash in my Bosch. Because there is always plenty of grease on our dishes there is never even a bubble in sight.

 

[frigilux]

Chris-- I get the same bluish/purple coloration on the bottom of my stainless steel pans occasionally. Sometimes it disappears with one wash; other times it's gone after the second. Ah, the mysteries of chemistry. Looks like your Cascade pacs did a great job. Cascade Platinum Pacs are my daily driver.

Cross-Branding-- Not a fan. A couple of years ago, half the products in the cleaning aisle were cross-branded with Dawn. Now it's Febreze and Gain. The wizards in marketing are always on the lookout for ways to share costs and double-promote other brands of the parent corporation. I find it annoying.