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"I'm assuming the optical sensor is constantly monitoring for air to be pulled towards the pumps inlet port."

Usually, the pump itself determines the correct fill level, as part of the load sensing.

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That's really interesting, thank you for linking that. :) Honestly I didn't think those little DC motors were that advanced, but now that I think of my Bravos, it does seem to know exactly when air starts being pulled in during the recirculation phases because it will immediately do a quick spin and then add more water, and with that small amount there's no way it could reach the pressure tube (or else the tub would already be floating). So it looks like I learn more about these seemingly simple motors. I can mark that down as a note under "has surprisingly powerful pumping capacity despite its size". :D
 
OMG I would love to start an Appliance company.
We are so smart, S M R T.....I mean S M A R T.

I wanted to work for GEA since I was in high school..........until I learned they were in KY, LOL!
And then when I graduated in the recession, WP was doing everything BUT hiring anyone.

That motor stuff is fascinating. And makes total sense once you realize it.
Unfortunately I doubt GE uses their motors to that ability.
I've never noticed anything near an adaptive fill in my Profile.
It seems like all the fills are hard-timed. And a couple of the pre/post rinses are intentionally under-filled. The pump will cavitate heavily during them. Yet oddly still sounds like it's throwing around a lot of spray....

But hearing that the WP is so dynamic in so many ways, illogically makes me want to lean toward a new WP based dw. Maybe I'll sell it down the road, lol.
 
If you like the dynamic-fill on the Whirlpool, I can recommend a beautiful AEG dishwasher which uses that technology. It's 21 years old, though.

I think you and Andrew should start and advertising agency - the way you get exited about (ahem, old) technology is truely wonderful! And cute. 
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My dream since I was around 12 years old has been to become a lead engineer for Whirlpool. I grew up with constant jabs and jokes made about being "washing machine crazy" and sometimes had hurtful things said, but I'm thankful I never let myself and my passion for what I love be crushed entirely. I've always had an extreme appreciation for the amount of work and thought put into machines that people otherwise don't think anything about. To build a fully automated machine that performs so many different tasks, all without any outside guidance, all for someone to throw clothes or dishes into, push a button, and come back later to have the task done entirely, and better than a human could do by hand. It's amazing to me the people that don't realize how fast a washing machine spins, or just how much water is being thrown around inside a dishwasher. They see something as a chore, and instantly it becomes a "negative" subject and apparently to some people is taboo to even speak about. I don't understand that mindset at all.

My husband and I have joked about starting an appliance company that specializes in dishwashers and laundry machines. He's a super whiz when it comes to networking and programming and anything to do with computers and electronics, where I'm on the mechanical side and typically have a natural understanding of the whys and hows of the physical aspect of a machine, so he could design the electronics and the programming and I could handle the mechanics. :D

I also wouldn't mind the advertising though either @logixx. :) I can get so excited and pumped up when I start explaining features and things about an appliance to someone to at least "acts" like they're interested, which is a rare occurrence on its own. I loved talking to customers for the hot minute that I worked at Home Depot because they seemed to really click with me and I got the chance to explain a lot of things and debunk myths to some who had no idea, and they would usually ask for me again and end up buying multiple appliances through me because I took time with them. Unfortunately the management was awful and it got to a point that I had to say "bump this noise" and leave.
 
Okay..

Up until now, I though I was an only child.

Wanted to become an engineer? Me too.
Have an understanding of how appliances mechanically work? Me too.
Would chat endlessly with customers, working as an appliance salesman? Me too.
Wouldn't mind working in advertising? Me neither.

One huge difference is there, however. You deep-clean your car... and I take mine to the car wash once a year. If I have a coupon. *lol*
 
Haha! I don't feel so alone after all! And true, I spend hours a week on my car. It's killing me right now because the pollen is in full force at the moment, so washing it would really be pointless, but I do have to vacuum and dust the inside constantly just to make sure it doesn't put us into an allergy coma. Believe it or not though, I've been forcing myself not to keep the washer or dishwasher pristine for as long as I can, just to truly see how "self cleaning" they are. So far so good; aside from the lint and dirt that can accumulate around the top of the washer around the dispensers and the tub ring, the washer itself keeps quite clean. No ring around the inner basket yet, and no odors. The dishwasher is the same, some grime around the outside of the door from drips, but everywhere water touches on the inside is sparkling. Nothing yet to clean from the filter cup either. :) I'm working on my OCD little by little, though I don't ever want to lose it entirely. I enjoy a clean house far too much.
 
Hahaha I think we all have a bit of OCD. You almost have to in order to enjoy watching appliances lol. I have always found the movement of the water in both dishwashers and washing machines, absolutely fascinating. I get some grief over my hobby too unfortunately. It's hard for other people to understand the passion. Appliances to most people are just a part of life, not a past time. When I got rid of brand new appliances, my coworker asked me what was wrong with them. Why would you replace a brand new machine with something 30 years old?? My explanation seemed adequate to her, but she still thought it was funny :-)
 
Car OT

Yes. All of this AND, it's killing me that I haven't been able to upkeep the semi-healthy pristine-ness of my car with the constant moving from apartments.
NOW that I got the garage I can FINALLY properly detail the interior along with the getting started on the spring clay bar and waxing.
It's like needles in my eyes every morning how the dust has accumulated inside. And the mats! Don't get me started :P

Andrew, yes that too. Actually being that engineer who has to toil for months and years on things people don't give two poops about, but can't live without.....they have no idea.
No idea! What goes into making their smoke alarm ACTUALLY sense smoke (it's almost black art, no joke, takes months!) No idea how many hundreds of systems have to make sweet sweet music in concert together to make their jet engine actually run and not just sit like a rock, or explode :P
NO IDEA it takes a year or two ... To design a working, safe, screw driver or wrench, or desk chair.

It is a thankless job that makes our world go 'round.
The only more thankless job I can think of.....is software today.
Even I have no idea about that.
It's magic! Haha!

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My car...

OMG I have always been obsessive about my cars. In 1990 my father's aunt died. She bought a 1985 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme brand new and when she died my dad took it. It was 5 years old and had 21K miles on it. That thing was MINT, it even still smelled brand new. He drove it to work everyday and when he got home I would take the Dustbuster (LOL) out to the car and vacuum it. My dad smoked and he got a burn hole in the seat...I just about had a stroke! haha.

Every time I get into my car now I notice the dust too...and the mats! I keep the OEM ones in the trunk and I use rubber ones. Being in a condo I can't keep up with as much as I used too...but fortunately I live on the first floor right along the interior street so I can pull up along my patio and vacuum it. Now that the 20 foot high mound of snow is gone, I'll be vacuuming my car! That's been a horrible obsession for me. haha

Yes John, you engineers don't get enough credit! I can only imagine what's involved with getting things to work. All those big words that no one knows what they mean! hahaha. ;-)
 
Quick check in/update!!!

My husband bought a Kill-A-Watt type device a week ago to test how much energy our server closet and gaming computers were pulling, so naturally we've also been testing anything we can get our hands on, including the dishwasher! Yesterday I rigged the dishwasher's power supply with a cord that could be plugged in to the bar above, and connected it to the meter and ran a Normal cycle with no options, where the load was pretty heavily soiled, which meant the usual forcing of three prewashes before the main wash. The device also allows you to key in your energy rates, which for us is $.08 per kWh, and it calculates over time how much it costs to run the particular item over the time it's been in use, as well as displaying watts, amps, and kWh in real time.

I was actually very impressed at how low a power draw this machine uses. Between 35-50 watts at 0.5-0.9 amps for the main wash pump. What was more interesting is that while there is no change in sounds or spraying power, the motor draw would hit the lower 35 or so watts while running the lower arm, and raise typically while the upper was running. Overall, the thing never went above 75 watts/1.1 amps with both drain and wash pumps running at the same time. It wasn't until the main wash that the heating element began running and bringing the display up the ~800 watts.

This is what I found interesting: for the near entirety of the main wash, the heating element would cycle on only while the lower arm was active. As soon as the display fell back down to 40-50 watts, you'd hear the clicking of the diverter, and the upper arm would come on. But contrary to what the "HE trolls" claim, the heating element runs for practically the entire main wash, even with no options selected on a Normal cycle. So to those adamant about new dishwashers using cool water during the wash portion, please, take a seat. :)

I admit however, this actually surprised me as well. I expected to only see a spike in wattage a few times during the MW, but no, every time the lower arm was active, so was the heating element. I know that it wasn't reaching 135-140 as it would with the final rinse or if HiTemp were selected, but that still indicates that the water is in no way "cool" for wash. During the final rinse, the lower arm spent more time active, which also meant the heater was active longer to hit the target 140F temp.

After the cycle of right at 3 hours, the full power draw was 1.1 kWh, and .09 cents cost in energy, of course not factoring in cost at the water heater, but that would probably amount to a .01 or .02 cent increase. Pretty awesome in my opinion, considering how little water it also uses, and how flawless its results are for every cycle, even the "energy star" cycle. One day I'll try to rig up the PowerClean and do a comparison.
 
I guess that due to the lower water level, the heater might not be covered by enough water. And with the adittional pipelength to the upper arm, the water level would decrease even further.
Thus, the lower arm basicly conpensates by spraying onto the heater.

1.1kW is not the most efficent ever heared of, but not wastefull by any means.
 
Awesome report!
Very interesting.

I imagine with the very low water levels, the heaters have to be active almost all the time in order to prevent the water from cooling down.

And the fact that the pump would draw a bit more power on the upper level mode makes sense. It's got larger head pressure to fight, since it has to raise the water, at pressure, all the way up to the 2nd rack.

Cool stuff.
 
Burnt Pan Test

This was done quite a while back (beginning of March I believe), but I forgot to post anything because we were getting ready to leave for Brisbane that week. One thing I've sort of missed on my Whirlpool is a Top Rack Only option, not that I really need it, but it would be fun to use now and then. Instead, I decided I'd try my own "top rack" wash, because from what I've learned from manuals and tech documents, machines that do have top rack only cycles don't really use much less water and time than what a normal cycle would, and their lower arms still operate to sweep soil down to the filter and to spray water directly on heating elements. So after a dinner of Shepherd's Pie that instructed to cook on the stove for the first half and then finish off in the oven in the same pan, I thought it would be interesting to then put the emptied pan back into the oven under the broiler until the remaining goop was scorched on. Since it's a stainless steel pan with no coating (seriously, these pans will stick if you just look at them wrong), I wanted to see just how much the Whirlpool could scour off on its Sensor cycle, on the top rack.

 

I was also delighted to find that when the upper rack is lowered, I can fit my full sized Corelle plates easily, so in went our dinner dishes, along with my Keurig cup with coffee grounds still inside, and of course the scorched pan. Then went a Cascade pac and I set it to Sensor and let it go.

 

I was a bit worried when I heard the detergent door snap open about 5 minutes after the first fill, so there was no prewash, but it also makes sense that it may have chosen that route because of there only being a half load, and most of the soil was dried and scorched on anyway.

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Much to my surprise, again, everything emerged clean! In less than the estimated 2:40 (I think from start to when I noticed it was counting down the 8 minutes of "air drying" was about 2:10). And even more surprisingly, the pan looked like it was scoured with Barkeeper's Friend. Again, with nothing in the filter and no residue or yiblets on the top of the tank or at the bottom of the tub.

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Cool!

I always thought that a lot of features on DWs are just there, being barely used.

With older machines that run both arms at once one rack only options could have made sense, but I still don't think a lot of people would have used them.
And given that to make something like that work, you'd need hardwear that could verry easily be designed to offer alternating washarms anyways, I always thought this exact option was inherently destinted to be of the more gimmick-ish sort.

Sad thing is just that without such options (Top Rack only, or the PowerZone or whatever they call it) that don't really make a difference, DW couldn't compete with todays consumers.
But still I think this exact machine has the best set of options for the price. Not to many useless cycles (the only I could think of would be Soak&Scour) and pretty much all options being usefull (except for that PowerClean/TagetClean/whatevs possibly). The washsystem is advanced, but not overcomplicated, the cycle logic is verry good.
And the price is ok!

A few questions though that popped into my mind as you mentioned it skipped the prerinse:
Did you use the TargetClean option yet? If so, did you possibly recognize it being active for a significant time in the prewash?
I could imagine that especially with the Sensor cycle, the target clean is supposed to intentionally trigger a prerinse by dissolving some of the hard to get of stuff as early as possible.
I have recognized that with our Bosch (which has 3 different sensor cycles marked as such), the prerinse on the more intensive one appears to be longer and runs hotter before skipping the prerinse then on the normal or gentle sensor cycle. Maybe there is a simmilar logic there.

Anyway, great posts once again! Like how you seperate before and after, gives it a nice structure.
I'll always keep this thread handy when giving advice on a new DW...
 

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