Question to you induction users...can you dial in a temperature (i.e. Sensi-Temp/electric skillet) or do you dial in a heat output (1-100) which then is used and you need to guess whether a 32 will get you that 60 degree C milk?
Cooktop advice 12,000 vs. 15,000 BTU
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travlincub, I am giving serious consideration to the GE you posted. I've got a line on a floor sample that I might be able to get at a decent price. The whirlpool looks like I'd have similar problems to what I have now, the front burner is too small and close to the controls. My ideal cooktop would have remote mounted controls like they did in the 60's. I've got a very nice Frigidaire CI cooktop in my attic that has the controls on a long cable that you can place where you'd like. Even has the burner with a brain feature.
panthera, welcome back! You've been missed.
I think I'd like to stich with just one cooktop, but induction is tempting. Came across a deal on an ONS Jenn-Aire split cooktop, 2 induction and 2 coil burners. Did some research and found it was 10 years old at least. Not so sure about 10 year old tech., might be problematic. Plus, my dad has a pacer, and I know some induction units can cause problems.
At this point it's gas, I'm giving serious thought to the GE as I mentioned, and the Jenn-Aire with the down draft, but it would need some serious modification, but I like the layout.
I think I'd like to stich with just one cooktop, but induction is tempting. Came across a deal on an ONS Jenn-Aire split cooktop, 2 induction and 2 coil burners. Did some research and found it was 10 years old at least. Not so sure about 10 year old tech., might be problematic. Plus, my dad has a pacer, and I know some induction units can cause problems.
At this point it's gas, I'm giving serious thought to the GE as I mentioned, and the Jenn-Aire with the down draft, but it would need some serious modification, but I like the layout.
Just as an aside, I've noticed my pasta cooks differently with the high output burner. The boil is even and the texture is just a bit different.
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My humble Frigidaire gas convection range has a 12K front right, the low output simmer behind it, and front and rear left are standard 9K burners. A more sensible layout, because usually anything being heated on simmer would be small and would fit behind a large stockpot on the high output burner. The current Frigidaire version of my model has a 14K front left burner, and they also offer a middle fifth burner (9K) for a 9K-9k-9k-14k-5k layout.....these versions did not exist when I bought my range in 2001, however. In either version, at least someone at Frigidaire put on their thinking cap and realized that a high power burner up front means a big pot, so anything used behind it would have to be a small pot, hence the simmer burner behind the big burner.
I can boil reasonably quickly with 12K. However, if you are accustomed to 14-15K, you would notice the difference if you went to 12K. My kitchen is not wired for 220V and I have no desire to tear it all out and rewire, so I am stuck with whichever gas solutions seem most intelligent.
Also of note is that unlike gas water heaters and clothes dryers, where gas usually has a cost advantage over electricity (unless the local electric rates are very low), the cost advantage of gas over electric ovens disappears. Gas ovens must be vented in order to bring oxygen to the flame, so some of the heat vents out into the kitchen during cooking (of course it does over time with electric, but during the cooking phase less heat leaves an electric oven). This wasted heat negates the cost differential between gas and electricity, and in cheap electric rate areas, it may cost less to operate an electric oven than a gas version.
I can boil reasonably quickly with 12K. However, if you are accustomed to 14-15K, you would notice the difference if you went to 12K. My kitchen is not wired for 220V and I have no desire to tear it all out and rewire, so I am stuck with whichever gas solutions seem most intelligent.
Also of note is that unlike gas water heaters and clothes dryers, where gas usually has a cost advantage over electricity (unless the local electric rates are very low), the cost advantage of gas over electric ovens disappears. Gas ovens must be vented in order to bring oxygen to the flame, so some of the heat vents out into the kitchen during cooking (of course it does over time with electric, but during the cooking phase less heat leaves an electric oven). This wasted heat negates the cost differential between gas and electricity, and in cheap electric rate areas, it may cost less to operate an electric oven than a gas version.
passatdoc
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oops, my bad: in both the 2001 and current versions of the range in question, the high power burner is always front right, and the low simmer burner is rear right, directly behind the high power burner. The 9K burners are on the left, and in the case of the newer 5-burner model, the center burner is also 9K.
The better pasta results with a higher BTU burner probably has something to do with faster recovery time. For best texture, pasta should be dropped slowly into the boiling water so that the temperature stays high and the water continues to boil rapidly. A hotter burner will allow one to add the pasta faster.
Another unrelated tidbit: most pasta benefits from being "tempered" after it has been added and allowed to boil for about a minute. Then a cup of cold water is added, the pasta is stirred until boiling resumes and it is cooked to al dente as usual.
Another unrelated tidbit: most pasta benefits from being "tempered" after it has been added and allowed to boil for about a minute. Then a cup of cold water is added, the pasta is stirred until boiling resumes and it is cooked to al dente as usual.
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You wont be dissapointed in the ge... I used it again today
Thanks, Matt and Jeff and Lawrence
and all the others who asked whether I'd fallen off the face of the earth.
Just needed and took a long summer vacation off from posting and reading.
Did me good! And now I see Kelly is back, so what more could you ask for?
All the best to everyone!
and all the others who asked whether I'd fallen off the face of the earth.
Just needed and took a long summer vacation off from posting and reading.
Did me good! And now I see Kelly is back, so what more could you ask for?
All the best to everyone!
passatdoc
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burner layout
This is the 2009 version of my 2001 range. My 2001 model offered only four burners and the grates don't go all the way across. The current model offers five burners:
14K 5K
9k
9K 17K
(top row of diagram = rear burners, middle = middle burner, lowest row = front burners, sorry this board's program eliminates the spaces of the array I had arranged)
My "high power" burner is only 12K and I only have one. This model offers two high power burners, and layout is such that you can place a large stockpot either in the rear (on the left) or in the front (on the right). Most things that are simmered on the simmer burner are small pots, so this makes sense.
If you click on the thumbnail "Continuous Grates" in the photo gallery, you can see the layout.
This model features what Frigidaire calls "Quick Bake", a convection fan without an additional heating element. Most likely it isn't quite as fast or efficient as a third-element convection system, but I find that cooking times are reduced 5-10 minutes per hour. Most importantly, the heat is evenly distributed, so I can bake three racks of cookies or four pies all at once, and everything cooks nice and evenly. When you only have one oven, it's nice to have convection because sometimes you have to load it to the gills.
Frigidaire offers the same model with third-element convection for I think $80-100 extra. I have been delighted with the performance over the eight years I have owned it. My late 1980s home had a BOL GE range (good riddance to bad rubbish) with only a 110V plug and a gas line. Ten years ago, nearly all convection ranges were electric. By about 2000, a few companies began to make gas convection ranges (I'm taking mass produced ranges, not commercial stoves like Viking, etc.), and when I bought in fall 2001, the choices were GE, JennAir, KitchenAid, and Frigidaire. I guess they finally figured out there were millions of gas-equipped homes that needed or wanted upgraded appliances without a complete remodel required to run additional electrical lines for 220V appliances.
The Frigidaire was half the price of the other three and, with the savings, I bought a new Bosch dishwasher and a new over the range microwave oven/hood.
This is the 2009 version of my 2001 range. My 2001 model offered only four burners and the grates don't go all the way across. The current model offers five burners:
14K 5K
9k
9K 17K
(top row of diagram = rear burners, middle = middle burner, lowest row = front burners, sorry this board's program eliminates the spaces of the array I had arranged)
My "high power" burner is only 12K and I only have one. This model offers two high power burners, and layout is such that you can place a large stockpot either in the rear (on the left) or in the front (on the right). Most things that are simmered on the simmer burner are small pots, so this makes sense.
If you click on the thumbnail "Continuous Grates" in the photo gallery, you can see the layout.
This model features what Frigidaire calls "Quick Bake", a convection fan without an additional heating element. Most likely it isn't quite as fast or efficient as a third-element convection system, but I find that cooking times are reduced 5-10 minutes per hour. Most importantly, the heat is evenly distributed, so I can bake three racks of cookies or four pies all at once, and everything cooks nice and evenly. When you only have one oven, it's nice to have convection because sometimes you have to load it to the gills.
Frigidaire offers the same model with third-element convection for I think $80-100 extra. I have been delighted with the performance over the eight years I have owned it. My late 1980s home had a BOL GE range (good riddance to bad rubbish) with only a 110V plug and a gas line. Ten years ago, nearly all convection ranges were electric. By about 2000, a few companies began to make gas convection ranges (I'm taking mass produced ranges, not commercial stoves like Viking, etc.), and when I bought in fall 2001, the choices were GE, JennAir, KitchenAid, and Frigidaire. I guess they finally figured out there were millions of gas-equipped homes that needed or wanted upgraded appliances without a complete remodel required to run additional electrical lines for 220V appliances.
The Frigidaire was half the price of the other three and, with the savings, I bought a new Bosch dishwasher and a new over the range microwave oven/hood.
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PassatDoc, That is pretty much what I would like, full grates, but unfortunately I'm limited to a cooktop, too bad no one makes one with that option, though the Sieman's I linked come close.
I've narrowed it down to 3 units, the Thermador, the GE, and the Jenn-Air, unless I come across something outstanding. This Siemans on ebay that looks interesting, but I question the layout. Take a look...
I've narrowed it down to 3 units, the Thermador, the GE, and the Jenn-Air, unless I come across something outstanding. This Siemans on ebay that looks interesting, but I question the layout. Take a look...
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*Blush*
Gosh, you're sweet. Any chance you'd favor us with that recipe? It looks luscious.
Gosh, you're sweet. Any chance you'd favor us with that recipe? It looks luscious.
Got to agree, that cake looks fine! I'd love to make it too!
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No, not at. all. Mine was an almond glass top, with a greenish-tan set of grates. Burners were arranged is a sort of arc. Other than that the igniter issue the caps of the burners were getting worn, and the cost for those was over $300 for the set. No way...
Anyway I've pretty much decided on the Siemans 30", going to order it tomorrow.
Anyway I've pretty much decided on the Siemans 30", going to order it tomorrow.
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I saw a bosch from 2005 tonght at the local lowes for $399 like this..loked nice
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Hmmm, every time I think I get close to a decision i came across something else.
Does anyone know anything about the Italian brand Fulgor? Came across a deal on a cooktop and oven, but know nothing about the brand.
Does anyone know anything about the Italian brand Fulgor? Came across a deal on a cooktop and oven, but know nothing about the brand.
