I'm imagining a stainless steal arm with many holes like the Maytag JetClean. I think Speed Queen could improve on Maytag's tall tub design as Maytag was actually promising to the point even Whirlpool did a double take.
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I think Speed Queen Dishwashers should have washer style holes in the stainless steel spray arms all over. If Speed Queen Dishwashers had 2 pumps, how big would they be? I think the wash pump would be the biggest one, but what about the drain pump?
I think Speed Queen Dishwashers should have washer style holes in the stainless steel spray arms all over. If Speed Queen Dishwashers had 2 pumps, how big would they be? I think the wash pump would be the biggest one, but what about the drain pump?
I think the motor would be a permanent magnet disk type because of the space constraints. Unsure if it would actually be 1/2HP in that you can only move so much water in a shallow sump. Drain pump can be beefed up a 120 watt version, I see no harm or limitation in that.
Speed Queen Dishwasher Pump
Or, the huge pump that recirculates water during wash and rinse cycles could be in the back while the deep sump could be in the front of the machine.
How fast would the pump spin? What would it sound like during washing and rinsing?
What about the filling? What about the detergent and rinse aid dispensers? I think they could do a big tub dishwasher. What about draining? Dishomat would be a great name for a Speed Queen Dishwasher. T would be short for automatic dishwashing. I could picture them supplying a sample of dishwasher detergent and rinse aid.
Or, the huge pump that recirculates water during wash and rinse cycles could be in the back while the deep sump could be in the front of the machine.
How fast would the pump spin? What would it sound like during washing and rinsing?
What about the filling? What about the detergent and rinse aid dispensers? I think they could do a big tub dishwasher. What about draining? Dishomat would be a great name for a Speed Queen Dishwasher. T would be short for automatic dishwashing. I could picture them supplying a sample of dishwasher detergent and rinse aid.
Jerome, I never though of that. Extend the sump to the floor, but have the pump and motor off to the back. You know, that just might make the dishwasher stronger. 3450 RPM I think would be a good balance between wear and impeller size. Filter between the main motor and drain pump. Particles accumulate in the horizontal filter, drain pump then sucks them out. The design would be simple yet effective. The pump would be induction or permanent magnet, no brushes, so it would sound more like an AC motor vs a DC drill.
Whirlpool standard tubs had a good quiet fill valve, that would work in a Speed Queen dishwasher.
Rinse-Aid would be like a GE standard tub, and detergent would be like a modern Maytag that slides upward. Flip lids can get caught up in pans leaning up near the door preventing the lid from opening all the way.
Washing would we swish-swish-swish. Strong jets but the stainless steal would have sound dampening on the other side.
Whirlpool standard tubs had a good quiet fill valve, that would work in a Speed Queen dishwasher.
Rinse-Aid would be like a GE standard tub, and detergent would be like a modern Maytag that slides upward. Flip lids can get caught up in pans leaning up near the door preventing the lid from opening all the way.
Washing would we swish-swish-swish. Strong jets but the stainless steal would have sound dampening on the other side.
Jerome, SQ should design their dishwashers with the motors, pumps and food grinder/separator outboard of the tub. The pumps would connect via hoses to the bottom of the tub on integral 90° elbows formed into the tub. Potential leak sources are minimized and only enough room is required beneath for the hoses so the tub can be extra tall, maybe four racks. The pumps can be large and powerful enough to suck food debris right out of the tub! The pumps could be located anywhere, in a soundproof cabinet next to the dishwasher, or the attic or basement or even outdoors which would make operation in the kitchen super quiet like the consumers want without requiring tiny weak motors. Water restrictions are soon to be eliminated so that isn't a concern on the long hoses. They'll surely be big sellers!
dadoes...
You really got me thinking about this. I never thought of that, but that's what I envision Speed Queen Dishwashers. No nonsense, yet very practical. Another thing I was thinking is that Speed Queen can have their dishwasher pumps supported in a crate or cradle, or even sitting in a milk stool type setup where the motor will still have enough room to isolate the vibrations from the tub. the pump fan would have a soothing sound while running like a gentle hum. I think the spray arms could either soak, blast, shower, or overcome the dishes in a wall of water at different stages of the cycle while targeting different stains.[this post was last edited: 2/9/2025-13:56]
You really got me thinking about this. I never thought of that, but that's what I envision Speed Queen Dishwashers. No nonsense, yet very practical. Another thing I was thinking is that Speed Queen can have their dishwasher pumps supported in a crate or cradle, or even sitting in a milk stool type setup where the motor will still have enough room to isolate the vibrations from the tub. the pump fan would have a soothing sound while running like a gentle hum. I think the spray arms could either soak, blast, shower, or overcome the dishes in a wall of water at different stages of the cycle while targeting different stains.[this post was last edited: 2/9/2025-13:56]
rinse aid dispenser
Or, perhaps the rinse aid dispenser would have a lift to flip open with a pull tab, along with an eyepiece to see whether the rinse aid dispenser is full or needs replenishment. Chet, how many RPM's would the spray arms spin at when washing?
Or, perhaps the rinse aid dispenser would have a lift to flip open with a pull tab, along with an eyepiece to see whether the rinse aid dispenser is full or needs replenishment. Chet, how many RPM's would the spray arms spin at when washing?
Jerome, will you just keep bugging Speed Queen and quit bringing back old threads and constantly complaining to AW members because we are sick of hearing the same thing over and over.
"the same thing over and over"
Because stuff like this never changes and if it does, it's for the worst. Too many new dishwasehrs just take 3 hours to just play with the dishes with just a mist of water.
What the heck kind of stupid crap is that? Had Speed Queen Home built dishwashers, we wouldn't be seeing these issues like this. As chetlaham and I have stated, I have been in stores and read reviews where most consumers would say, "I want a dishwasher that would just clean dishes!" I agree with their sentiments. I absolutely hate doing dishes by hand, and I have better things to do.
Sadly, nobody cares about quality anymore. I can ramble and shout and hem and haw until I turn blue in the face. All day long! Besides, many people are catching on. Those of us who know how a dishwasher should work aren't stupid. I want a real pump and real hot water, and sturdy racks that ride smoothly no matter how full it is, and I want the jets to reach every single nook and cranny in a reasonable amount of time. No exceptions. Give me a grinder any day of the week.
That is what the heck I want in a Speed Queen Dishwasher. I don't care about how loud or ugly it is. I just want clean dishes! Is that a lot to ask?
Why do we have to settle for stupid crappy flashy looks that don't do jack? I may sound cranky, but I am so sick and tired of reading reviews where people have had their dishwashers break in 5 years! I had a Frigidaire that lasted a year! They have way too many electronics in them and tiny pumps that can't handle the load. I have never thought in a million years thought that dishwasher pumps would become more and more puny, but here we are today.They're like toys compared to yesteryear.
Because stuff like this never changes and if it does, it's for the worst. Too many new dishwasehrs just take 3 hours to just play with the dishes with just a mist of water.
What the heck kind of stupid crap is that? Had Speed Queen Home built dishwashers, we wouldn't be seeing these issues like this. As chetlaham and I have stated, I have been in stores and read reviews where most consumers would say, "I want a dishwasher that would just clean dishes!" I agree with their sentiments. I absolutely hate doing dishes by hand, and I have better things to do.
Sadly, nobody cares about quality anymore. I can ramble and shout and hem and haw until I turn blue in the face. All day long! Besides, many people are catching on. Those of us who know how a dishwasher should work aren't stupid. I want a real pump and real hot water, and sturdy racks that ride smoothly no matter how full it is, and I want the jets to reach every single nook and cranny in a reasonable amount of time. No exceptions. Give me a grinder any day of the week.
That is what the heck I want in a Speed Queen Dishwasher. I don't care about how loud or ugly it is. I just want clean dishes! Is that a lot to ask?
Why do we have to settle for stupid crappy flashy looks that don't do jack? I may sound cranky, but I am so sick and tired of reading reviews where people have had their dishwashers break in 5 years! I had a Frigidaire that lasted a year! They have way too many electronics in them and tiny pumps that can't handle the load. I have never thought in a million years thought that dishwasher pumps would become more and more puny, but here we are today.They're like toys compared to yesteryear.
Jerome, your dishware isn't emerging clean from your Bosch/Kenmore? You seem to like it well enough, no?
maytaga806
Well-known member
Yeah seriously, we don’t care to hear the endless ramblings daily we all agree but you’re quite embarrassing with how much you obsess over these topics with dishwashers. Your internet use really needs to be restricted. Hasn’t it ever come across your mind that your endless ramblings and bizarre cringeworthy novels are annoying to members here? I can’t understand how you don’t already know this
I forgot to mention...
A lot of these manufacturers tell the customer, "You should've bought the extended warranty". Like that has anything to do with their poor lackluster performance whenever the dishwasher in question breaks down. A doshwasher should last more than a year! That is a pathetic excuse. Nobody has time to hand wash dishes as they may have kids. on top of that, the customer is always blamed for using the dishwasher as intended.
A lot of these manufacturers tell the customer, "You should've bought the extended warranty". Like that has anything to do with their poor lackluster performance whenever the dishwasher in question breaks down. A doshwasher should last more than a year! That is a pathetic excuse. Nobody has time to hand wash dishes as they may have kids. on top of that, the customer is always blamed for using the dishwasher as intended.
to dadoes
My dishwasher is of course emerging clean. It's just the behavior of the dishwasher that seemed interesting to me when I moved in, and still am to this day. And yes, I'm used to dishwashers with pumps that start up immediately getting to work.[this post was last edited: 2/10/2025-10:55]
My dishwasher is of course emerging clean. It's just the behavior of the dishwasher that seemed interesting to me when I moved in, and still am to this day. And yes, I'm used to dishwashers with pumps that start up immediately getting to work.[this post was last edited: 2/10/2025-10:55]
Looney Tunes...
How are we looney tunes when we are're just being real? I like my spray arms buff and full of power, and I like my pumps to have a nice pleasant hum to know it's right down to business. That's what a Speed Queen Dishwasher would do if they exist. Maybe in the future when more are continuing to catch on.
How are we looney tunes when we are're just being real? I like my spray arms buff and full of power, and I like my pumps to have a nice pleasant hum to know it's right down to business. That's what a Speed Queen Dishwasher would do if they exist. Maybe in the future when more are continuing to catch on.
Jerome, dish-o-mat dreams aside, I think people are in denial. We have members here stating their modern dishwashers are clogging with food and leaving behind dirty dishes. We even have a 50 year appliance repair tech on here who admitted his tall tub was getting stinky and went back to using two Power Clean modules and won't trade them for anything. Yet despite that we've got a handful of members who claim that it is impossible for modern dishwashers to clog or leave food soil behind chastising anyone who says otherwise.
to chetlaham
Too many people are too fixated on capacity, not understanding that there's so much water you can use in a tall tub. I want clean dishes! I want them done like my old one. Speed Queen Appliances can deliver.
Too many people are too fixated on capacity, not understanding that there's so much water you can use in a tall tub. I want clean dishes! I want them done like my old one. Speed Queen Appliances can deliver.
Jerome said: "I want clean dishes! I want them done like my old one."
You aren't happy with the performance of your Bosch/Kenmore (Boschmore)?
Or is the glitch that it cleans nicely, but via a method that you dislike?
dishwasher performance
Glenn, I'm happy with the performance. I'm just very observant of the quirks it does such as the soft start of the pump. I'm so used to hearing the cavitation of the pump as it pickes up pressure while filling with water. It does sound like a servo motor when washing/rinsing and a robot when draining. While it does get the dishes clean, I'm aware of the electronics on this machine. It does have a high pitch whirr from the frequency drive when running.
Glenn, I'm happy with the performance. I'm just very observant of the quirks it does such as the soft start of the pump. I'm so used to hearing the cavitation of the pump as it pickes up pressure while filling with water. It does sound like a servo motor when washing/rinsing and a robot when draining. While it does get the dishes clean, I'm aware of the electronics on this machine. It does have a high pitch whirr from the frequency drive when running.
Then why all the angst and ranting of words? Be happy. Your cardiac system will appreciate the serenity.
maytaga806
Well-known member
just as said above…
LOONEY TUNES.
This guy is absolutely insane
LOONEY TUNES.
This guy is absolutely insane
Stop with the Speed Queen dishwasher nonsense.
There will likely never be a Speed Queen dishwasher, there are Hobart commercial dishwashers now if you want one, go buy it stop whining about something that will never be when there is something that is here now that you can go and buy if you want something different than what the rest of the world wants.
John L
There will likely never be a Speed Queen dishwasher, there are Hobart commercial dishwashers now if you want one, go buy it stop whining about something that will never be when there is something that is here now that you can go and buy if you want something different than what the rest of the world wants.
John L
Maybe
if Speed Queen Dishwashers did in fact become their next project, we would see their current customers who have purchased their laundry products step up to the dishwasher scene as they want clean dishes in a reasonable amount of time with no nonsense like wifi, geared spray arms, etc. etc. I know chetlaham would agree with me, in addition to the long warranties.
if Speed Queen Dishwashers did in fact become their next project, we would see their current customers who have purchased their laundry products step up to the dishwasher scene as they want clean dishes in a reasonable amount of time with no nonsense like wifi, geared spray arms, etc. etc. I know chetlaham would agree with me, in addition to the long warranties.
Speed Queen would get some of their loyal customers into buying their DW if they offered one, but its a gamble. It would have to be a really good dishwasher without any initial flaws. Not likely when building something from scratch.
Speed Queens safest bet is having their name on another design already in production. Next best bet is buying or leasing a design from Whirlpool or Miele and producing it on their own. Unless the volume of demand is excellent for years to come; all the tooling, training, building and warehousing would be a loss for Speed Queen. Banks and are not likely to fund such an endeavor IMHO, and Speed Queen is much to small a company to absorb a division failure.
What would really have to change is mass perception. People are going to have to truly want something different than what is already out there. If everyone were like me it would be a no brainier. Speed Queen would mold a standard tub quietly behind the scenes, stick a 1 HP motor in it, add a self cleaning filter, maceration, 3 wash arms and an EM timer. Once released it would sell into the millions- off setting any start up investment. Whirlpool and others would be forced to replicate the same design if they wanted anymore DW businesses. Everyone would be happy.
Unfortunately society is not there yet. We are, but you and me are only a small enlightened minority.
Speed Queens safest bet is having their name on another design already in production. Next best bet is buying or leasing a design from Whirlpool or Miele and producing it on their own. Unless the volume of demand is excellent for years to come; all the tooling, training, building and warehousing would be a loss for Speed Queen. Banks and are not likely to fund such an endeavor IMHO, and Speed Queen is much to small a company to absorb a division failure.
What would really have to change is mass perception. People are going to have to truly want something different than what is already out there. If everyone were like me it would be a no brainier. Speed Queen would mold a standard tub quietly behind the scenes, stick a 1 HP motor in it, add a self cleaning filter, maceration, 3 wash arms and an EM timer. Once released it would sell into the millions- off setting any start up investment. Whirlpool and others would be forced to replicate the same design if they wanted anymore DW businesses. Everyone would be happy.
Unfortunately society is not there yet. We are, but you and me are only a small enlightened minority.
Enlightened
PUHHLEEEZE
Nobody out there that has a full functioning modern dishwasher is complaining about it.
My mom did at first when their new GE took 3hrs to wash. But all the new machines are 1.5-2 times larger than old ones”fast” standard tub machines.
And everyone’s dishes are clean.
If they’re not clean, they’re loading it wrong, using terrible detergent, or it’s broken and needs fixing.
People just load them up the whole day and run them overnight.
And if you need dishes in a hurry, almost all machines today have a 30-60min cycle.
Even my “ancient” KUDS25 PC dishwasher runs for an hour and 15min with dry time.
What is all the hurry?
And do you two like paying out the nose for water?
My own water bills have doubled in the last 5yrs and I’m next to the world’s largest body of fresh water.
Enjoy yourselves on the island of misfit toys.
PUHHLEEEZE
Nobody out there that has a full functioning modern dishwasher is complaining about it.
My mom did at first when their new GE took 3hrs to wash. But all the new machines are 1.5-2 times larger than old ones”fast” standard tub machines.
And everyone’s dishes are clean.
If they’re not clean, they’re loading it wrong, using terrible detergent, or it’s broken and needs fixing.
People just load them up the whole day and run them overnight.
And if you need dishes in a hurry, almost all machines today have a 30-60min cycle.
Even my “ancient” KUDS25 PC dishwasher runs for an hour and 15min with dry time.
What is all the hurry?
And do you two like paying out the nose for water?
My own water bills have doubled in the last 5yrs and I’m next to the world’s largest body of fresh water.
Enjoy yourselves on the island of misfit toys.
Inferences Based on Preconceived Opinions
Let me address these one by one.
<blockquote>
Nobody out there that has a full functioning modern dishwasher is complaining about it.
</blockquote>
Many people are complaining, just read the rather plentiful internet dialogue about modern appliances. Most of which state the same shortfalls over and over again.
<blockquote>
My mom did at first when their new GE took 3hrs to wash. But all the new machines are 1.5-2 times larger than old ones”fast” standard tub machines.
</blockquote>
Not by much when you can't absolutely jam pack the machine with most everything overlapping and stacked on top of one another.
<blockquote>
And everyone’s dishes are clean.
</blockquote>
Only when they start pre-rinsing and prepping excessively. Consumers eventually fold modifying behavior until desired results are achieved.
<blockquote>
If they’re not clean, they’re loading it wrong, using terrible detergent, or it’s broken and needs fixing.
</blockquote>
The term here is gaslighting. Consumers' lived experiences are blamed, shammed and invalidated at no fault of their own. Its a rather cruel and mentally unhealthy thing to do.
<blockquote>
<span style="color: #ff6600;">People just load them up the whole day and run them overnight. </span>
And if you need dishes in a hurry, almost all machines today have a 30-60min cycle.
</blockquote>
Those half baked short cycles do an even worse job of cleaning than those mediocre overnight cycles.
<blockquote>
Even my “ancient” KUDS25 PC dishwasher runs for an hour and 15min with dry time.
What is all the hurry?
</blockquote>
Only due to baseless energy regulations beginning to take effect.
With hotter inlet temps that time will shorten to 60 minutes on heavy wash with heavy soil detected and 38 minutes on normal wash with a light soil detected.
If Whirlpool could increase the number of water change outs those cycle times would be even shorter.
In any case I'll take a 1 hour power-clean cycle over a 2-3 hour tall tall tub any day.
<blockquote>
And do you two like paying out the nose for water?
My own water bills have doubled in the last 5yrs and I’m next to the world’s largest body of fresh water.
</blockquote>
You use far less water loading dishes into a machine that uses 8-13.5 gallons of water per cycle than doing extensive pre-rinsing prior to loading in a modern machine that uses 3-6 gallons of water per cycle.
<blockquote>
Enjoy yourselves on the island of misfit toys.
</blockquote>
This is only temporary. With modern life gradually becoming more difficult for everyone living it while preexisting injustices simultaneously become less tolerable a revolution is inevitable.
[this post was last edited: 2/17/2025-12:54]
Let me address these one by one.
<blockquote>
Nobody out there that has a full functioning modern dishwasher is complaining about it.
</blockquote>
Many people are complaining, just read the rather plentiful internet dialogue about modern appliances. Most of which state the same shortfalls over and over again.
<blockquote>
My mom did at first when their new GE took 3hrs to wash. But all the new machines are 1.5-2 times larger than old ones”fast” standard tub machines.
</blockquote>
Not by much when you can't absolutely jam pack the machine with most everything overlapping and stacked on top of one another.
<blockquote>
And everyone’s dishes are clean.
</blockquote>
Only when they start pre-rinsing and prepping excessively. Consumers eventually fold modifying behavior until desired results are achieved.
<blockquote>
If they’re not clean, they’re loading it wrong, using terrible detergent, or it’s broken and needs fixing.
</blockquote>
The term here is gaslighting. Consumers' lived experiences are blamed, shammed and invalidated at no fault of their own. Its a rather cruel and mentally unhealthy thing to do.
<blockquote>
<span style="color: #ff6600;">People just load them up the whole day and run them overnight. </span>
And if you need dishes in a hurry, almost all machines today have a 30-60min cycle.
</blockquote>
Those half baked short cycles do an even worse job of cleaning than those mediocre overnight cycles.
<blockquote>
Even my “ancient” KUDS25 PC dishwasher runs for an hour and 15min with dry time.
What is all the hurry?
</blockquote>
Only due to baseless energy regulations beginning to take effect.
With hotter inlet temps that time will shorten to 60 minutes on heavy wash with heavy soil detected and 38 minutes on normal wash with a light soil detected.
If Whirlpool could increase the number of water change outs those cycle times would be even shorter.
In any case I'll take a 1 hour power-clean cycle over a 2-3 hour tall tall tub any day.
<blockquote>
And do you two like paying out the nose for water?
My own water bills have doubled in the last 5yrs and I’m next to the world’s largest body of fresh water.
</blockquote>
You use far less water loading dishes into a machine that uses 8-13.5 gallons of water per cycle than doing extensive pre-rinsing prior to loading in a modern machine that uses 3-6 gallons of water per cycle.
<blockquote>
Enjoy yourselves on the island of misfit toys.
</blockquote>
This is only temporary. With modern life gradually becoming more difficult for everyone living it while preexisting injustices simultaneously become less tolerable a revolution is inevitable.
[this post was last edited: 2/17/2025-12:54]
Give it a rest
Chet you can make up stuff all day long, but look at all the people on this site that love their new dishwashers, and the people on this site are pretty knowledgeable. We have dozens of people that love their new KitchenAid their Bosch dishwashers their Samsung and even LG dishwashers.
If you would just pay attention, you can see that people pack these machines full of dirty dishes and they come out spotlessly, clean without rinsing and only using 5 to 6 gallons of water.
You can make up stuff all day long to make your self feel good but it’s just not true. How come you have a new Maytag dishwasher? Is your mom that dissatisfied with it are things coming out dirty. Apparently your parents are fed up with it too, anybody that supposedly knows as much as you do about appliances should be able to convince their parents of your correctness, but somethings obviously not working. You need to take a look at yourself and figure out where the problem is.
If you can’t even convince your parents that you’re right, there’s no point going on the Internet and trying to convince other people that you know what you’re talking about, go out and get a job and work with consumers and with their appliances then you’ll know firsthand what really concerns people in the field what works and what doesn’t work, etc.
John L
Chet you can make up stuff all day long, but look at all the people on this site that love their new dishwashers, and the people on this site are pretty knowledgeable. We have dozens of people that love their new KitchenAid their Bosch dishwashers their Samsung and even LG dishwashers.
If you would just pay attention, you can see that people pack these machines full of dirty dishes and they come out spotlessly, clean without rinsing and only using 5 to 6 gallons of water.
You can make up stuff all day long to make your self feel good but it’s just not true. How come you have a new Maytag dishwasher? Is your mom that dissatisfied with it are things coming out dirty. Apparently your parents are fed up with it too, anybody that supposedly knows as much as you do about appliances should be able to convince their parents of your correctness, but somethings obviously not working. You need to take a look at yourself and figure out where the problem is.
If you can’t even convince your parents that you’re right, there’s no point going on the Internet and trying to convince other people that you know what you’re talking about, go out and get a job and work with consumers and with their appliances then you’ll know firsthand what really concerns people in the field what works and what doesn’t work, etc.
John L
John, that doesn't answer the question I've asked in a previous thread.
If you claim that tall tubs do so well, and the only bad thing you've said are that Point Voyagers don't clean well in the upper rack, then why do you have so many posts saying how tall tubs have not worked out for you? That they have poor overall performance, that they leave food bits behind, that the filter gets stinky, that they smell bad, that they don't dry well, that they have numerous other faults.
Reply #7:
www.automaticwasher.org/c...
Reply #1:
www.automaticwasher.org/c...
<strong><strong>Yes member on here say they are satisfied with their tall tubs. However there are also members who prefer vintage machines. Members who claim to have gotten or are getting poor results from their tall tubs. Members who pre-rinse their dishes. </strong></strong>
<strong><strong>Clearly there is anecdotal evidence not in favor of tall tubs, the most profound being you John of all people.
</strong></strong>
If you claim that tall tubs do so well, and the only bad thing you've said are that Point Voyagers don't clean well in the upper rack, then why do you have so many posts saying how tall tubs have not worked out for you? That they have poor overall performance, that they leave food bits behind, that the filter gets stinky, that they smell bad, that they don't dry well, that they have numerous other faults.
Reply #7:
www.automaticwasher.org/c...
Reply #1:
www.automaticwasher.org/c...
<strong><strong>Yes member on here say they are satisfied with their tall tubs. However there are also members who prefer vintage machines. Members who claim to have gotten or are getting poor results from their tall tubs. Members who pre-rinse their dishes. </strong></strong>
<strong><strong>Clearly there is anecdotal evidence not in favor of tall tubs, the most profound being you John of all people.
</strong></strong>
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