Then why all the angst and ranting of words? Be happy. Your cardiac system will appreciate the serenity.
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Then why all the angst and ranting of words? Be happy. Your cardiac system will appreciate the serenity.
maytaga806
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just as said above…
LOONEY TUNES.
This guy is absolutely insane
LOONEY TUNES.
This guy is absolutely insane
Stop with the Speed Queen dishwasher nonsense.
There will likely never be a Speed Queen dishwasher, there are Hobart commercial dishwashers now if you want one, go buy it stop whining about something that will never be when there is something that is here now that you can go and buy if you want something different than what the rest of the world wants.
John L
There will likely never be a Speed Queen dishwasher, there are Hobart commercial dishwashers now if you want one, go buy it stop whining about something that will never be when there is something that is here now that you can go and buy if you want something different than what the rest of the world wants.
John L
Maybe
if Speed Queen Dishwashers did in fact become their next project, we would see their current customers who have purchased their laundry products step up to the dishwasher scene as they want clean dishes in a reasonable amount of time with no nonsense like wifi, geared spray arms, etc. etc. I know chetlaham would agree with me, in addition to the long warranties.
if Speed Queen Dishwashers did in fact become their next project, we would see their current customers who have purchased their laundry products step up to the dishwasher scene as they want clean dishes in a reasonable amount of time with no nonsense like wifi, geared spray arms, etc. etc. I know chetlaham would agree with me, in addition to the long warranties.
Speed Queen would get some of their loyal customers into buying their DW if they offered one, but its a gamble. It would have to be a really good dishwasher without any initial flaws. Not likely when building something from scratch.
Speed Queens safest bet is having their name on another design already in production. Next best bet is buying or leasing a design from Whirlpool or Miele and producing it on their own. Unless the volume of demand is excellent for years to come; all the tooling, training, building and warehousing would be a loss for Speed Queen. Banks and are not likely to fund such an endeavor IMHO, and Speed Queen is much to small a company to absorb a division failure.
What would really have to change is mass perception. People are going to have to truly want something different than what is already out there. If everyone were like me it would be a no brainier. Speed Queen would mold a standard tub quietly behind the scenes, stick a 1 HP motor in it, add a self cleaning filter, maceration, 3 wash arms and an EM timer. Once released it would sell into the millions- off setting any start up investment. Whirlpool and others would be forced to replicate the same design if they wanted anymore DW businesses. Everyone would be happy.
Unfortunately society is not there yet. We are, but you and me are only a small enlightened minority.
Speed Queens safest bet is having their name on another design already in production. Next best bet is buying or leasing a design from Whirlpool or Miele and producing it on their own. Unless the volume of demand is excellent for years to come; all the tooling, training, building and warehousing would be a loss for Speed Queen. Banks and are not likely to fund such an endeavor IMHO, and Speed Queen is much to small a company to absorb a division failure.
What would really have to change is mass perception. People are going to have to truly want something different than what is already out there. If everyone were like me it would be a no brainier. Speed Queen would mold a standard tub quietly behind the scenes, stick a 1 HP motor in it, add a self cleaning filter, maceration, 3 wash arms and an EM timer. Once released it would sell into the millions- off setting any start up investment. Whirlpool and others would be forced to replicate the same design if they wanted anymore DW businesses. Everyone would be happy.
Unfortunately society is not there yet. We are, but you and me are only a small enlightened minority.
Enlightened
PUHHLEEEZE
Nobody out there that has a full functioning modern dishwasher is complaining about it.
My mom did at first when their new GE took 3hrs to wash. But all the new machines are 1.5-2 times larger than old ones”fast” standard tub machines.
And everyone’s dishes are clean.
If they’re not clean, they’re loading it wrong, using terrible detergent, or it’s broken and needs fixing.
People just load them up the whole day and run them overnight.
And if you need dishes in a hurry, almost all machines today have a 30-60min cycle.
Even my “ancient” KUDS25 PC dishwasher runs for an hour and 15min with dry time.
What is all the hurry?
And do you two like paying out the nose for water?
My own water bills have doubled in the last 5yrs and I’m next to the world’s largest body of fresh water.
Enjoy yourselves on the island of misfit toys.
PUHHLEEEZE
Nobody out there that has a full functioning modern dishwasher is complaining about it.
My mom did at first when their new GE took 3hrs to wash. But all the new machines are 1.5-2 times larger than old ones”fast” standard tub machines.
And everyone’s dishes are clean.
If they’re not clean, they’re loading it wrong, using terrible detergent, or it’s broken and needs fixing.
People just load them up the whole day and run them overnight.
And if you need dishes in a hurry, almost all machines today have a 30-60min cycle.
Even my “ancient” KUDS25 PC dishwasher runs for an hour and 15min with dry time.
What is all the hurry?
And do you two like paying out the nose for water?
My own water bills have doubled in the last 5yrs and I’m next to the world’s largest body of fresh water.
Enjoy yourselves on the island of misfit toys.
Inferences Based on Preconceived Opinions
Let me address these one by one.
<blockquote>
Nobody out there that has a full functioning modern dishwasher is complaining about it.
</blockquote>
Many people are complaining, just read the rather plentiful internet dialogue about modern appliances. Most of which state the same shortfalls over and over again.
<blockquote>
My mom did at first when their new GE took 3hrs to wash. But all the new machines are 1.5-2 times larger than old ones”fast” standard tub machines.
</blockquote>
Not by much when you can't absolutely jam pack the machine with most everything overlapping and stacked on top of one another.
<blockquote>
And everyone’s dishes are clean.
</blockquote>
Only when they start pre-rinsing and prepping excessively. Consumers eventually fold modifying behavior until desired results are achieved.
<blockquote>
If they’re not clean, they’re loading it wrong, using terrible detergent, or it’s broken and needs fixing.
</blockquote>
The term here is gaslighting. Consumers' lived experiences are blamed, shammed and invalidated at no fault of their own. Its a rather cruel and mentally unhealthy thing to do.
<blockquote>
<span style="color: #ff6600;">People just load them up the whole day and run them overnight. </span>
And if you need dishes in a hurry, almost all machines today have a 30-60min cycle.
</blockquote>
Those half baked short cycles do an even worse job of cleaning than those mediocre overnight cycles.
<blockquote>
Even my “ancient” KUDS25 PC dishwasher runs for an hour and 15min with dry time.
What is all the hurry?
</blockquote>
Only due to baseless energy regulations beginning to take effect.
With hotter inlet temps that time will shorten to 60 minutes on heavy wash with heavy soil detected and 38 minutes on normal wash with a light soil detected.
If Whirlpool could increase the number of water change outs those cycle times would be even shorter.
In any case I'll take a 1 hour power-clean cycle over a 2-3 hour tall tall tub any day.
<blockquote>
And do you two like paying out the nose for water?
My own water bills have doubled in the last 5yrs and I’m next to the world’s largest body of fresh water.
</blockquote>
You use far less water loading dishes into a machine that uses 8-13.5 gallons of water per cycle than doing extensive pre-rinsing prior to loading in a modern machine that uses 3-6 gallons of water per cycle.
<blockquote>
Enjoy yourselves on the island of misfit toys.
</blockquote>
This is only temporary. With modern life gradually becoming more difficult for everyone living it while preexisting injustices simultaneously become less tolerable a revolution is inevitable.
[this post was last edited: 2/17/2025-12:54]
Let me address these one by one.
<blockquote>
Nobody out there that has a full functioning modern dishwasher is complaining about it.
</blockquote>
Many people are complaining, just read the rather plentiful internet dialogue about modern appliances. Most of which state the same shortfalls over and over again.
<blockquote>
My mom did at first when their new GE took 3hrs to wash. But all the new machines are 1.5-2 times larger than old ones”fast” standard tub machines.
</blockquote>
Not by much when you can't absolutely jam pack the machine with most everything overlapping and stacked on top of one another.
<blockquote>
And everyone’s dishes are clean.
</blockquote>
Only when they start pre-rinsing and prepping excessively. Consumers eventually fold modifying behavior until desired results are achieved.
<blockquote>
If they’re not clean, they’re loading it wrong, using terrible detergent, or it’s broken and needs fixing.
</blockquote>
The term here is gaslighting. Consumers' lived experiences are blamed, shammed and invalidated at no fault of their own. Its a rather cruel and mentally unhealthy thing to do.
<blockquote>
<span style="color: #ff6600;">People just load them up the whole day and run them overnight. </span>
And if you need dishes in a hurry, almost all machines today have a 30-60min cycle.
</blockquote>
Those half baked short cycles do an even worse job of cleaning than those mediocre overnight cycles.
<blockquote>
Even my “ancient” KUDS25 PC dishwasher runs for an hour and 15min with dry time.
What is all the hurry?
</blockquote>
Only due to baseless energy regulations beginning to take effect.
With hotter inlet temps that time will shorten to 60 minutes on heavy wash with heavy soil detected and 38 minutes on normal wash with a light soil detected.
If Whirlpool could increase the number of water change outs those cycle times would be even shorter.
In any case I'll take a 1 hour power-clean cycle over a 2-3 hour tall tall tub any day.
<blockquote>
And do you two like paying out the nose for water?
My own water bills have doubled in the last 5yrs and I’m next to the world’s largest body of fresh water.
</blockquote>
You use far less water loading dishes into a machine that uses 8-13.5 gallons of water per cycle than doing extensive pre-rinsing prior to loading in a modern machine that uses 3-6 gallons of water per cycle.
<blockquote>
Enjoy yourselves on the island of misfit toys.
</blockquote>
This is only temporary. With modern life gradually becoming more difficult for everyone living it while preexisting injustices simultaneously become less tolerable a revolution is inevitable.
[this post was last edited: 2/17/2025-12:54]
Give it a rest
Chet you can make up stuff all day long, but look at all the people on this site that love their new dishwashers, and the people on this site are pretty knowledgeable. We have dozens of people that love their new KitchenAid their Bosch dishwashers their Samsung and even LG dishwashers.
If you would just pay attention, you can see that people pack these machines full of dirty dishes and they come out spotlessly, clean without rinsing and only using 5 to 6 gallons of water.
You can make up stuff all day long to make your self feel good but it’s just not true. How come you have a new Maytag dishwasher? Is your mom that dissatisfied with it are things coming out dirty. Apparently your parents are fed up with it too, anybody that supposedly knows as much as you do about appliances should be able to convince their parents of your correctness, but somethings obviously not working. You need to take a look at yourself and figure out where the problem is.
If you can’t even convince your parents that you’re right, there’s no point going on the Internet and trying to convince other people that you know what you’re talking about, go out and get a job and work with consumers and with their appliances then you’ll know firsthand what really concerns people in the field what works and what doesn’t work, etc.
John L
Chet you can make up stuff all day long, but look at all the people on this site that love their new dishwashers, and the people on this site are pretty knowledgeable. We have dozens of people that love their new KitchenAid their Bosch dishwashers their Samsung and even LG dishwashers.
If you would just pay attention, you can see that people pack these machines full of dirty dishes and they come out spotlessly, clean without rinsing and only using 5 to 6 gallons of water.
You can make up stuff all day long to make your self feel good but it’s just not true. How come you have a new Maytag dishwasher? Is your mom that dissatisfied with it are things coming out dirty. Apparently your parents are fed up with it too, anybody that supposedly knows as much as you do about appliances should be able to convince their parents of your correctness, but somethings obviously not working. You need to take a look at yourself and figure out where the problem is.
If you can’t even convince your parents that you’re right, there’s no point going on the Internet and trying to convince other people that you know what you’re talking about, go out and get a job and work with consumers and with their appliances then you’ll know firsthand what really concerns people in the field what works and what doesn’t work, etc.
John L
John, that doesn't answer the question I've asked in a previous thread.
If you claim that tall tubs do so well, and the only bad thing you've said are that Point Voyagers don't clean well in the upper rack, then why do you have so many posts saying how tall tubs have not worked out for you? That they have poor overall performance, that they leave food bits behind, that the filter gets stinky, that they smell bad, that they don't dry well, that they have numerous other faults.
Reply #7:
www.automaticwasher.org/c...
Reply #1:
www.automaticwasher.org/c...
<strong><strong>Yes member on here say they are satisfied with their tall tubs. However there are also members who prefer vintage machines. Members who claim to have gotten or are getting poor results from their tall tubs. Members who pre-rinse their dishes. </strong></strong>
<strong><strong>Clearly there is anecdotal evidence not in favor of tall tubs, the most profound being you John of all people.
</strong></strong>
If you claim that tall tubs do so well, and the only bad thing you've said are that Point Voyagers don't clean well in the upper rack, then why do you have so many posts saying how tall tubs have not worked out for you? That they have poor overall performance, that they leave food bits behind, that the filter gets stinky, that they smell bad, that they don't dry well, that they have numerous other faults.
Reply #7:
www.automaticwasher.org/c...
Reply #1:
www.automaticwasher.org/c...
<strong><strong>Yes member on here say they are satisfied with their tall tubs. However there are also members who prefer vintage machines. Members who claim to have gotten or are getting poor results from their tall tubs. Members who pre-rinse their dishes. </strong></strong>
<strong><strong>Clearly there is anecdotal evidence not in favor of tall tubs, the most profound being you John of all people.
</strong></strong>
maytaga806
Well-known member
I have no idea why one would say the point voyagers didn’t do well in the top rack? We had a 2009 Maytag for like seven years and its performance was flawless. We never pulled a single dirty item out of the top rack. It’s a matter of keeping junk out of the machine since those got clogged very easily and it was plugged up when we first got it used. Just like any other machine the spray jets hit the roof of the tub from the top rack arm so I have no idea why one would say that
Whirlpool point Voyager dishwashers
Came out around 2001, whirlpool made a lot of revisions and they worked a lot better. Your Maytag was eight years down the road, so it was a much better machine. They also did not clog up with food ever, but they would clog up with foreign objects ahead of the grinder, but they were a good dishwasher overall.
John L
Came out around 2001, whirlpool made a lot of revisions and they worked a lot better. Your Maytag was eight years down the road, so it was a much better machine. They also did not clog up with food ever, but they would clog up with foreign objects ahead of the grinder, but they were a good dishwasher overall.
John L
So how do you explain the stink your tall tubs produced?
chetlaham
It's just a matter of time before Speed Queen Home starts building a dishomat dishwasher. Give them time. Consumers are waking up. We may not be here to see it, but it will surely return. The revolutionary Speed Queen Dishwasher could perhaps solve dishwasher pain problems. Give them time!
It's just a matter of time before Speed Queen Home starts building a dishomat dishwasher. Give them time. Consumers are waking up. We may not be here to see it, but it will surely return. The revolutionary Speed Queen Dishwasher could perhaps solve dishwasher pain problems. Give them time!
maytaga806
Well-known member
Give us a break Jerome 
that is not going to ever happen
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