Dishwashers losing popularity in US Homes???

[joeekaitis]

Anyone else flashing back to the headlines about cell phone users of all generations giving up their smartphones for flip-phones and "candy bar" cell phones?

When was the last time you saw someone using either? 1980s movies don't count.

 

[phillymatt53]

You're still heating water in both scenarios. In your case you are heating more water because more water is being used in the first place.

A good, realistic dishwasher should heat its own water. There is either a thermal hold or a long enough main wash with a strong enough heater to boost the temperature to at least 140*F.

It take a while for the hot water at the sink, and the DW, To get hot, from the downstairs hot water heater.
I'm merely bringing it up to the kitchen by rinsing, so that it's hotter for the DW to use.
I've noticed a shorter "heat up time" for the DW heating element, because once its thermo-sensor says "yes, it's hot now" the motor kicks into washing.

 

[Chetlaham]

It take a while for the hot water at the sink, and the DW, To get hot, from the downstairs hot water heater.
I'm merely bringing it up to the kitchen by rinsing, so that it's hotter for the DW to use.
I've noticed a shorter "heat up time" for the DW heating element, because once its thermo-sensor says "yes, it's hot now" the motor kicks into washing.

The dishwasher usually heat while washing. Unless you have an old Kitchen-Aid. Those were good machines minus the lack of upper spray arm on some models and the short main wash.

 

[phillymatt53]

Anyone else flashing back to the headlines about cell phone users of all generations giving up their smartphones for flip-phones and "candy bar" cell phones?

When was the last time you saw someone using either? 1980s movies don't count.

This is the phone I used for 18 years until Verizon stopped 3G service.
It cost me $109, and service of $10/month.
Mainly used for work, now retired just like me.

 

[qsd-dan]

He has a KD-19 which preheats the water to 150F before engaging the motor for the pre wash, main wash, and final rinse cycles.

 

[phillymatt53]

The dishwasher usually heat while washing. Unless you have an old Kitchen-Aid. Those were good machines minus the lack of upper spray arm on some models and the short main wash.

My KD-19 fills first, pauses, then heats prior to starting the first wash (prewash) with the SaniHeat light on.
I can hear it sizzling in the water for about 10 minutes, then SWOOSH! the pump starts.
The SaniHeat also starts at the final rinse too.

 

[phillymatt53]

He has a KD-19 which preheats the water to 150F before engaging the motor for the pre wash, main wash, and final rinse cycle.

Thanks, ya beat me to it!

 

[circlew]

This is the phone I used for 18 years until Verizon stopped 3G service.
It cost me $109, and service of $10/month.
Mainly used for work, now retired just like me.

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My first cellphone was a Kyocera (on Verizon), bought about 2005. I really liked it, and even named it Kyo. I rarely used it at home, as I had a landline, but was nice when I was out somewhere, and needed to make a call.

 

[phillymatt53]

My first cellphone was a Kyocera (on Verizon), bought about 2005. I really liked it, and even named it Kyo. I rarely used it at home, as I had a landline, but was nice when I was out somewhere, and needed to make a call.

Same here! - I've always kept my home landline.
The cellphone came in handy when traveling too, but other than that, I didn't become addicted like so many are today.

 

[Chetlaham]

My KD-19 fills first, pauses, then heats prior to starting the first wash (prewash) with the SaniHeat light on.
I can hear it sizzling in the water for about 10 minutes, then SWOOSH! the pump starts.
The SaniHeat also starts at the final rinse too.

Ok, that makes sense now. You've got a Kitchen-Aid. Those were the most durable residential dishwashers ever built. Maytag DC washer and KitchenAid dishwasher- you've got impeccable taste my friend!


I'd love to have the KD-19 frame but with a Whirlpool Power Clean Filter Module inside the sump. If everyone was like me that would be a reality.

 

[phillymatt53]

Ok, that makes sense now. You've got a Kitchen-Aid. Those were the most durable residential dishwashers ever built. Maytag DC washer and KitchenAid dishwasher- you've got impeccable taste my friend!


I'd love to have the KD-19 frame but with a Whirlpool Power Clean Filter Module inside the sump. If everyone was like me that would be a reality.

Ah, but no need to praise me Chet.
These machines were already in the house when I bought the place.
I'm just lucky that the previous owners picked the right appliances.

 

[Chetlaham]

Ah, but no need to praise me Chet.
These machines were already in the house when I bought the place.
I'm just lucky that the previous owners picked the right appliances.

They picked the right ones indeed!

All my homes came with cheap builder grade GE appliances

What about the rest of the appliances? Stove, fridge, garbage disposal, furnace, water heater?

 

[phillymatt53]

They picked the right ones indeed!

All my homes came with cheap builder grade GE appliances

What about the rest of the appliances? Stove, fridge, garbage disposal, furnace, water heater?

I moved in early 2005.
Well, I replaced the 33 year old AO Smith hot water heater (started leaking) in 2020 with a new AO Smith model from Lowes. Its amazingly efficient too.
The house furnace, a Crown boiler, (Crown in Philly) was installed in 2002, and it's great at keeping the house radiators toasty in winter. - quite efficent too.
The Insinkerator was put in around 2002 as well, works just fine.
The stove, a Tappan Series 110 was purchased in 1993, and is just fine.
The GE top freezer fridge is from 1985, and works great too.

I keep a check on those, but don't expect to do service on any of that stuff any time soon.

 

[Chetlaham]

Good stuff, not bad. I also have an AO smith gas fired power vent water heater that was installed about two years ago. Its working great. Furnace is a Heil ICP. Its awful and soon to be replaced. I miss all those direct vent gas appliances.


My favorite are milli volt heating systems. Gas pilot light generates the power, thermostat completes the circuit, has valve opens and heats the boiler. Works in a power outage. Sadly, those days are no longer.

 

[phillymatt53]

Good stuff, not bad. I also have an AO smith gas fired power vent water heater that was installed about two years ago. Its working great. Furnace is a Heil ICP. Its awful and soon to be replaced. I miss all those direct vent gas appliances.


My favorite are milli volt heating systems. Gas pilot light generates the power, thermostat completes the circuit, has valve opens and heats the boiler. Works in a power outage. Sadly, those days are no longer.

Well Chet, my Crown had the "standing pilot" when I moved in, but in 2008 I modified it with a Honeywell electronic conversion package, which saves gas since there's no longer a need for that older pilot system.
If the system needs heat.... it fires up the pilot, when that's satisfied, it turns on the main gas burner.
It's part of my frugal nature to save on things.

 

[Chetlaham]

Well Chet, my Crown had the "standing pilot" when I moved in, but in 2008 I modified it with a Honeywell electronic conversion package, which saves gas since there's no longer a need for that older pilot system.
If the system needs heat.... it fires up the pilot, when that's satisfied, it turns on the main gas burner.
It's part of my frugal nature to save on things.

I'd agree with you only if the prior system needed power to fire. I like the idea of having back-ups when the power goes out.

 

[phillymatt53]

I'd agree with you only if the prior system needed power to fire. I like the idea of having back-ups when the power goes out.

Yes, my living room programmable thermostat runs from a 16 volt transformer.
I've only had 3 power blackouts in 20 years, always in the summer.

 

[Chetlaham]

Yes, my living room programmable thermostat runs from a 16 volt transformer.
I've only had 3 power blackouts in 20 years, always in the summer.

Sorry for the black-outs, but lucky they weren't in the winter. Winter is the worst. I don't see most utility power services being reliable enough for total electrification.

 

[phillymatt53]

Sorry for the black-outs, but lucky they weren't in the winter. Winter is the worst. I don't see most utility power services being reliable enough for total electrification.

Well, those blackouts only lasted for at most, 45 minutes.
PECO electric here is usually pretty quick at fixing the problem.
Heck, if it was winter, I'd use a BBQ lighter and fire up the stove burners for heat.

 

[Chetlaham]

Well, those blackouts only lasted for at most, 45 minutes.
PECO electric here is usually pretty quick at fixing the problem.
Heck, if it was winter, I'd use a BBQ lighter and fire up the stove burners for heat.

Most likely 45 minutes to do the all the switching to sectionalize and isolate the faulted section of feeder and re-feed the healthy segments. The repair itself for a pole thats totally down is typically 12-16 hours, longer for local customers if there is/are transformers that feed them as those need to be re-hung after the pole is up and set.


Big storms are what sucks when every section of every circuit has some type of damage to it. Days to weeks long outages.