For oxygen bleach to work effectively, water temps need to be at least 150F during agitation. 160F coming out of the fill flume becomes 152F-153F once filled and agitating. A 3-4 hour soak occurs after 6 minutes of agitation.You're at 160?
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Life flashing before your eyes isn't an NDE but it's generally the direct precursor to the experience. In a true NDE, you're no longer in this world but in the spiritual one.
Well it may havenāt been a NDE in the complete sense of the term, but to me it was as close to one an I ever want to get.
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It's definitely an experience to have your life flash before your eyes in a matter of seconds. It's impossible to comprehend without experiencing it for yourself. I'm surprised you're able to recall the accident in such detail, especially after 50 years. The brain usually shuts down in those instances and there's generally a gap of lost information.
Whites/towels. Using chlorine bleach is prohibited in septic tanks. I quit using it loooong before that.
Ah, ok, I understand now. I rarely use bleach in general. But like you I do like to Soak things when the need arises. I wish my Speed Queen had a cycle that did a 30-40 minute soak before going into wash.
I believe you. I also hate how most machines drain the water out after soaking or default to off. I like the idea of going directly into wash and getting further results out of my water and detergent.
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Iāve got a photographic memory. My brother is 18 mo younger than I am and I can remember my parents bringing him home after he was born. My Dad had a photographic memory too. I always pay very close attention to the details of everything around me. That accident is burned into my memory banks. It happened on April 1, 1970 and 10 days later I moved out on my own with no car and a broken toe. A week later I bought a ā64 Chevrolet Impala SS for $995.00 at $53.00 per mo. And on 5-5-70 I took my State Board exam for my State of California Cosmetologist license and on the 7th my license arrived in the mail and that day I began working FT and have been self supporting ever since.
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If there's one superpower I could have, it would definitely be a photographic memory.
When are we hitting the Blackjack tables?
If there's one superpower I could have, it would definitely be a photographic memory.
When are we hitting the Blackjack tables?
Trust me, you don't want such an ability. Negative life experiences stick with you, and it is difficult to forget them or remaster them to the point they don't seem so bad or you question if they were really that bad in the first place. You tend to re-live the bad along with the physical and mental emotions that come with them. Been there, experienced that.
Be grateful who you are, what you have, and your interests that make you happy.
It would be more wasteful if they made me sick, or spoiled my appetite for the other food I was having.And now you can also qualify to be chastized for wasting food by DADoES/Glenn.
TOL Maytag washers do just that from 1980 through at least 1993 and they'll throw in short agitation spurts during the soaking period. Maybe the later ones do as well, I'm not up to date on their cycles.
Wait, they don't drain before going into wash? I like that idea. This is how I envision a 2025 EM Speed Queen. Pre-Soak leads into super wash and super wash leads into wash no drain in between.
The cycle below is inspired by the A407. An initial long agitate to stir the clothes, dissolve the detergent and mix everything together followed by soaks with brief 1 minute agitation spurts. A final long agitate before the last soak period serves as the ultra wash. After all socking is complete the machine goes right into wash. Up to 54 minutes of soak and agitation prior to the first spin.
Here is the 1970s Maytag A407 Soak and Wash Cycle that inspired the above and a lot of my concept designs. This model has been an immense inspiration and has made me think how vintage machines might look as modern.
The only thing I don't like is how the machine drains and then advances to off after the timed soak cycle. I personally would like to have it go directly into wash and re-use the detergent and water. Perhaps the idea was ultra soiled clothes, but in my world it is more stains and hard set soils rather than a great deal of soil over-all. Ideally I'd like to double dose on detergent for that extra stain fighting power and of course re-use that into the wash.
The red numbers were added by me to the official service manual cycle chart to show the time in minutes the machine soaks and washes.
The pre 10 series will prewash/soak but spin drain before going into the next cycle or just stop altogether, depending on the model and options.
That changed starting with the 10 series. The good part is longer wash times in the same detergent as you described above. The bad part is that exceptionally dirty loads need to spin drain and refill for the main wash. Both methods are superior in their own way depending on ones lifestyle.
I believe the change occurred due to the reduction of phosphates and the increase in enzymes in detergents by the late 1970's. Probably also a water saving feature.
That changed starting with the 10 series. The good part is longer wash times in the same detergent as you described above. The bad part is that exceptionally dirty loads need to spin drain and refill for the main wash. Both methods are superior in their own way depending on ones lifestyle.
I believe the change occurred due to the reduction of phosphates and the increase in enzymes in detergents by the late 1970's. Probably also a water saving feature.
This it not true, it is just another of the many lies spread over the net.
Assuming that "oxygen bleach" means sodium percarbonate, it works also in cold water, the agitation is sufficient to dissolve it and make it to do its job, which is to decompose into oxygen and sodium carbonate.
For liquid oxygen bleach, which actually means hydrogen peroxide, not even the agitation is needed.
It does work in cooler temps but through experimentation found the hotter the water is, the more effective it becomes. Temps above 155F cause the elastic in my underwear to ripple and the elastic in my socks to become loose and droopy. This is the reason for keeping temps a smidge below 155F.
Years ago, I had a couple of wild stains on a white work shirt that refused shift in the washer using the above method. I boiled it in a large pot on the stove with some STPP (which I was also using in the washer at the time) along with oxygen bleach. The hotter temps quickly shifted the stains in minutes that the 153F-ish method above couldn't achieve in hours. Hotter temps indeed make oxygen bleach significantly more effective but there's a limit to its use on some fabrics, particularly elastic ones. The sky is the limit on white towels and hand towels/wash cloths.
My knowledge is only on TOL models through 1993 so:
A810 Allowed the user to advance from the "Timed Soak" cycle into the "Regular" cycle or not via 2 buttons.
A712 Same as above but no longer able to stop the machine after the "Time Soak" cycle. It banged right into the "Regular" wash cycle.
LAT9800 Same as the 712.
A9900/LAT9900/LAT9904 I forget how this machine handles the "Timed Soak" cycles. Maybe Ben (Swestoys) will remember.
I'm pretty sure I have the cycle charts for the 810 and 712. Pretty sure I don't them for the 9800 and definitly not the 9900 series. I should have the schematics inside the console on my A9900 but not the cycle charts.
Thank you, I will start to research those model numbers.
I have been thinking about machines with auto soak cycles before the wash, or machines which incorporate soaking into the normal part of the wash as a means to increase detergent effectiveness as shown below.
Agitation and Soak time determines Heavy, Normal and Delicate Cycles. In this concept the machine would probably have a ramp agitator similar to a GE filter flo.
I have been thinking about machines with auto soak cycles before the wash, or machines which incorporate soaking into the normal part of the wash as a means to increase detergent effectiveness as shown below.
Agitation and Soak time determines Heavy, Normal and Delicate Cycles. In this concept the machine would probably have a ramp agitator similar to a GE filter flo.
I've been told because I'm only one person household that I don't need all the pots and pans that I have or silverware and whatever else...... What I say though is that when I cook I also bring food to others when I can or I share it. I noticed those comments come from people who don't like to cook much.
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Since I live alone now, I've learned how to do relatively simple "One Pot" dinners, along with microwaving additional things like side dishes.
I just like to keep things simple, with less to clean up later.
That's one reason that I hardly use my dishwasher.
https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/north-america-dishwasher-market-report
The U.S. dishwasher market is projected to continue to grow through 2030.
I have no idea where they got this idea from.
The U.S. dishwasher market is projected to continue to grow through 2030.
I have no idea where they got this idea from.
phillymatt53
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I read that article, and conclude that it's just propoganda, spiced up with a decent helping of bullcrap.
If anything is going to increase sales of any appliance made these days, it's because they need replacing much more frequently because the stuff is made like a teenager's high school project - AKA junk.
That article also glamorizes "Smart" appliances, which many think is just another hunk of bait for the consumer to bite on.
Ya gotta love marketing these days... full of bullcrap.
That is actually how I would test a dishwasher in terms of fat, grease and fine particle removal. The picture to the left is bone with nothing on it after the cycle, the dishwasher did a good job in those terms.
One way I test a dishwasher in terms of particle re-distribution and water filtration is one to two table spoons of fine coffee grounds. I had a BOL GE with a fine filter that actually past this test with one table spoon full.
One way I test a dishwasher in terms of particle re-distribution and water filtration is one to two table spoons of fine coffee grounds. I had a BOL GE with a fine filter that actually past this test with one table spoon full.
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