Early Inglis Belt Drive Set

[114jwh]

Now I know this is a long shot but if anyone has either of these knobs kicking around they would sell, please please please let me know. I'm missing the dryer knob and the water level knob. I've attached a picture of the washer knob for comparison and a snip from an ad with the water level knob - both accept a standard D stem. Even something close would be helpful. Thanks so much in advance!

 

[maytag85]

Reply #16

Dumb question John, is it even possible to use the burner assembly in my ‘63 Whirlpool Imperial dryer or not? Thought and toyed around with the idea of acquiring the parts I need in case if I ever want to convert it to gas if it’s even possible.

 

[pierreandreply4]

114jwh

What kind of agitator is in your inglis royal washer and have you seen inglis washers with this agitator inside the washer? as a kid i have seen one in my grandmother 3 cycle push to start inglis liberator with 5 wash rinse temp no water level and brush lint filter

 

[114jwh]

Update

Sorry for the long time between posts. I've been working hard at getting the washer back to a respectable condition and I'm getting close the finish line. I've run into two (hopefully) small snags and hoping someone can help me out with some insight.

I extracted the old bearings & seals using a old piece of pipe and a hammer and pressed new bearings in using the tool. I used the WP bearing kit 285134. These newer notched bearings seem to be much easier to press in vs the smooth ones I used last time. I'm guessing that this coupled with the fact that the notches create wells for more turbine oil was the reason for the change.

The bearings went in without a hitch however when all was said and done I found this spring on the floor - I believe it was in one of the oil seals that sits below one of the bearings - not sure how it popped out. I don't think there is any way to get it back on - is this spring pertinent and therefore do I need to replace the seal now? I looked at the other bearing kit I have on hand which contained the older smooth bearings and the accompanying seals don't have this spring so I'm hoping its not overly important.

The newer bearing kit came with detailed instructions and it indicated to use turbine oil in the lower bearing. The service manuals I have from WP indicate grease - is the difference in direction due to the change from smooth to notched bearings? Or maybe I've misread somewhere along the way?

Finally, I did put the transmission in to test the timer functions - good news is all seems to be working properly. However, the transmission I used from a newer donor machine seems to be turning the agitator shaft a bit when its in neutral. I had opened it up before installing and the agitator spring is intact and seemed to be in good shape but I'm guessing its weak and I need to replace it?

Any hint or suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks so much in advance!

I'll be sure to post some more photos of the process and final product soon for those that are interested!

 

[maytag85]

Reply #22

I wouldn’t really worry about the agitator movement when in neutral. Sometimes it just drags on the oil that’s inside the transmission from the agitate gear and parts that are constantly moving whenever the motor is running. My Whirlpool did the same thing when I brought it home back in 2020, even the transmission I rebuilt does the same thing from time to time. That’s just how some of the older belt drive machines are.

 

[DADoES]

Centerpost seals should all be replaced-new with the bearings, yes?

 

[114jwh]

Hi Glenn - yes, to clarify, I replaced the seals and bearings, they all come together in the kit. After I had replaced the oil seals/bearings, I noticed that spring on the floor in the picture. I'm quite certain it came out of one of the two oil seals, likely the top one. I have no idea how that happened - I'm hoping this doesn't mean I have to pull the newly installed seals/bearings and put new ones in again. If anyone has any insight on the function/necessity of this spring I'd be really grateful. Thanks so much

 

[combo52]

Spring in bearing and seal kit

That type of small spring is a common part of oil and water seals. However, I have never seen that type of spring used on a belt drive whirlpool product, my best guess is that the company that assembled the kit got that spring in there by accident but I do not think it’s part of a seal kit for a belt drive whirlpool washer.

Was the kit you got a genuine whirlpool kit or an aftermarket kit made by seal bearing manufacturer?

John

 

[114jwh]

Hi John - thanks for your input. It was a genuine FSP bearing and seal kit 285134. The bearings were the newer style with the channels on the outside. I just bought it at a local parts place so not NOS or anything like that. When I was handling the oil seals before installation it did feel like there was a spring in the inner groove and that's why when I saw that spring on the floor I immediately assumed it had popped out of one of the oil seals.

I found it strange since I have another kit that is older with the smooth bearings and the oil seals in that kit definitely don't have a spring.

Is it possible WP revised the oil seals more recently and newer ones include a spring?

If you've never seen one on a BD oil seal, I'm thinking I can just leave the seal as is and not worry about it?

[this post was last edited: 10/9/2023-10:23]

 

[combo52]

Belt drive washer oil seal question

I wouldn’t worry about it just use it as is that kit you pictured is from 2004 it’s 19 years old. I don’t know how that little spring got in there but I have never seen that. I think it’s something that accidentally got in there.

John

 

[repairguy]

I finally had a chance to check one of my NOS bearing kits and found that that spring does indeed fit on the outside of the lip on the oil seal. I’m not sure what would happen if anything without it. Do you think it’s possible that it fell out of the old oil seal that you removed?

 

[114jwh]

Hi Melvin and John - thanks so much for the insight. Melvin, that spring definitely didn't come out of the old seal. I took the bearings and seals out quite sometime before I put the new ones in and had cleaned up the floor several times in between. I'm quite certain it came out of the seal for the upper bearing then. If you don't mind me asking, does it just sit on the outside of that lip and is there anything you can see holding it in place like a groove or another lip? From looking from the top of the seal does it just sit near the top or farther down near the bottom?

I'll attempt to reseat it but I doubt I'll be able to get it in with the bearing in the way. If I cant, as John suggested I'll just leave it and see what happens.

 

[repairguy]

It’s sits close to the top in a groove.

 

[114jwh]

Thanks so much for going to the trouble of taking that photo Melvin. This is super helpful for me to understand if and how I could slip it back in. Based on what I'm seeing chances are probably slim to none but I'll give it a shot. Wish me luck!

Thanks again

 

[114jwh]

I got it in!

Thank you again Melvin for those pictures. I thought about it for a bit and your picture inspired me to fashion a little tool by bending a picture hanger. I used the tool to push the lip down enough to hook the spring back into that ridge it sits in and repeated that in several spots along the circumference. Once it was sitting in the ridge in enough spots it sort of popped itself back into place. It was tricky because the bearing was in the way so a screwdriver or anything else wasn't really working because of the angle.

It probably doesn't serve much of a function like you mentioned John, the outside lip doesn't really feel more rigid or substantial with spring back in but just the same with all the work I've put into this thing I'm glad I won't find out for sure!

Thank you both so much once again!

More updates to come!

 

[repairguy]

Great news. Glad I could be of assistance and I am definitely looking forward to this machine being in good working order again.

 

[eddy1210]

James, I’m so glad you’re restoring this pair. In much better condition than I had envisioned. Wonderful progress, I hope to see these in person one day! Where did our summer go??
Eddy

 

[114jwh]

Long overdue update on the washer and will post pictures once all is said and done and a more detailed description of what I did. Everything is mostly back together now and good news is the timer seems to function perfectly so far.

In the meantime, I know I've asked before but thought I would try one more time - does anyone happen to have either of these knobs kicking around that they would be willing to part with (or even anything close)? Both were missing when I got the machines.

The first is the water level knob for the washer. Its a bit unique in that the required stem length is longer than most knobs I've come across. In addition, it has the settings printed on the knob itself vs the control panel. It fits a standard "D" shaped water level switch shaft. I've attached a few snips to show what the original would have looked like.

The second is the dryer control knob. I've attached a picture of the washer control knob - it would have been the same on the front and the back stem also fits onto a standard "D" shaft.

I'd be eternally grateful if anyone could come up with either of these, particularly the water level knob. The washer is otherwise complete and so this would be the last missing piece. Happy to pay whatever you think it would be worth and of course any shipping cost.

Thanks in advance!

 

[repairguy]

James I sent you an email.

 

[114jwh]

Hi Everyone,

Just wanted to share an update on these. I've moved onto working on the dryer. You might recall my plan is to convert the dryer to electric and so have been looking for a long time to find an electric version of an old style WP dryer to use as a parts donor.

My dryer is the very early version of the WP dryer (I'll call it type 1 for the purposes of this message) with the pulley system, perforated back etc. At some point in the early 1960s, (at least in the US) this design was modified to eliminate the pulleys (type 2) before they abandoned the design altogether in favor of the current 29" WP dryer in 66 (68 in Canada I believe).

These pre 1966/1968 dryers just never show up in my neck of the woods, however I did happen to come across a 1967 Soft Heat Kenmore which is the type 2 design described above.

In addition to differences in the mechanicals, the cabinet is completely different as well and so I can't just swap the control panels. My plan is to just remove the heater and the motor from the type 2 and install it in my type 1.

I know this is a stretch but wondering if anyone has a copy of a wiring diagram of the electric Whirlpool version of my dryer that they could share. I don't know what the dryer model number would have been but the matching WP washer was W6004800 I believe. If I can get my hands on this wiring diagram I think it would help considerably with getting this project done!

I've attached a copy of the wiring diagram for the gas version and a photo of the dryer that I'm using as a parts donor as well plus a couple other pics showing the backs of both.

Thanks in advance and wish me luck!