buryan
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Thanks for your help, but seems a shame to rob an existing EE dryer for spares, so shall get a different timer and re-wire.
Many thanks.
Many thanks.
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buryan
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Anyone know of any jet-cone washers for sale - they look a fun machine - - ?!
With regards to my EE Dryer - any chance of obtaining a rubber insert for the out vent to take a flexible air hose, please?
Happy New Year to you all.
Kenneth.
With regards to my EE Dryer - any chance of obtaining a rubber insert for the out vent to take a flexible air hose, please?
Happy New Year to you all.
Kenneth.
buryan
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ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR TUMBLE DRY 4602
I wonder if I might ask your help, please and I am sorry if I am being a damned nuisance as a new-comer?!
I have bought a Hotpoint TCM 580 timer to use on my EE tumble dryer and have no idea as to where the wires go and can't find a schematic.
I have no idea whether it is single or double pole and which bayonet connection represents what. Do you by chance have any idea, please? I have no idea how the terminals are even named - after all, I trained at the Royal Academy of Music as a classical singer and later BBC Singer! - but we all have to dry clothes and presently I have two baskets full of WET ones from my new and splendid LG - splendid, now I have turned up the water control and get a 1/4 of a drum full of splishy-sploshy!
There is a stuck on label on one side saying C B A. The timer hard wiring has one (presumably neg?) linking the three middle bayonets together. Any help you can offer would be most gratefully received.
With best wishes,
Kenneth from Nearly Land's End.
I wonder if I might ask your help, please and I am sorry if I am being a damned nuisance as a new-comer?!
I have bought a Hotpoint TCM 580 timer to use on my EE tumble dryer and have no idea as to where the wires go and can't find a schematic.
I have no idea whether it is single or double pole and which bayonet connection represents what. Do you by chance have any idea, please? I have no idea how the terminals are even named - after all, I trained at the Royal Academy of Music as a classical singer and later BBC Singer! - but we all have to dry clothes and presently I have two baskets full of WET ones from my new and splendid LG - splendid, now I have turned up the water control and get a 1/4 of a drum full of splishy-sploshy!
There is a stuck on label on one side saying C B A. The timer hard wiring has one (presumably neg?) linking the three middle bayonets together. Any help you can offer would be most gratefully received.
With best wishes,
Kenneth from Nearly Land's End.
English Electric
Hello Buryan, a warm welcome to AW and never a nuisance when asking for help, I dont have the manual covering that particular timer but have flagged it over to people who may be able to help.
A great dryer, very well made from an era when made to last albeit the timer but not doing to badly for 60+ years old.
Good to hear you had the washer as well, they are like hens teeth, the dryers just seem to be about all over. Do you have any pics of the washer etc ?
Ill get back to you with any help asap, Cheers for now, Mike
Hello Buryan, a warm welcome to AW and never a nuisance when asking for help, I dont have the manual covering that particular timer but have flagged it over to people who may be able to help.
A great dryer, very well made from an era when made to last albeit the timer but not doing to badly for 60+ years old.
Good to hear you had the washer as well, they are like hens teeth, the dryers just seem to be about all over. Do you have any pics of the washer etc ?
Ill get back to you with any help asap, Cheers for now, Mike
English Electric
Hello Buryan, Can you please take some pics of the timer you had, and from the top of the dryer the cut wires left and rating plate so we can establish the model number as there where two types of wiring loom, that way we can establish which way is best for getting you fixed up !!
Cheers, Mike
Hello Buryan, Can you please take some pics of the timer you had, and from the top of the dryer the cut wires left and rating plate so we can establish the model number as there where two types of wiring loom, that way we can establish which way is best for getting you fixed up !!
Cheers, Mike
buryan
Member
ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR TUMBLE DRY 4602
Very kind of you both - don't worry about the old wiring, or indeed the old timer (which is in hundred bits!). I have bought a TCM580 timer (from a Hotpoint Aquarius, I believe) and am going to re-wire through a 4-pole contactor (or possible 2 - 2-pole contactors giving end cooling) and keep the load off this new timer, so all I need is info on which bayonet connect does what on the NEW timer.
The pic of the TCM580 is above. I might take it to bits to see if I can deduce. I rang Hotpoint and they were completely useless and as unhelpful as they can be and I can find nothing on the net. I do not know how the bayonets are named and numbered, either and there is nothing to really tell me on the timer.
Any help gratefully received.
Sadly, no phot of the old Liberator, but I kick myself now that I scrapped it 20 years ago - just because I could not get any more parts.
Best,
Kenneth.
Very kind of you both - don't worry about the old wiring, or indeed the old timer (which is in hundred bits!). I have bought a TCM580 timer (from a Hotpoint Aquarius, I believe) and am going to re-wire through a 4-pole contactor (or possible 2 - 2-pole contactors giving end cooling) and keep the load off this new timer, so all I need is info on which bayonet connect does what on the NEW timer.
The pic of the TCM580 is above. I might take it to bits to see if I can deduce. I rang Hotpoint and they were completely useless and as unhelpful as they can be and I can find nothing on the net. I do not know how the bayonets are named and numbered, either and there is nothing to really tell me on the timer.
Any help gratefully received.
Sadly, no phot of the old Liberator, but I kick myself now that I scrapped it 20 years ago - just because I could not get any more parts.
Best,
Kenneth.
buryan
Member
ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR TUMBLE DRY 4602
UPDATE - PLEASE THINK NO FURTHER -
TCM 580 TIMER (which I shall now use on the Liberator and put through 2 double-pole contactors):
I think I have cracked it! Found my meter and have deduced what happens - a terminal which must be for the heater comes on at the forth 'click' - briefly and at the next click - on comes the motor. All continues and at the end of the cycle, the heater goes off and the motor (with fan) stays on for, obviously, a little while and then it shuts off.
Surprised by the heater coming on first, but suppose it is to warm up??? If, when I finally get this on the machine and IF it works, I'll do a wiring diagram of the timer if anyone is interested.
Thanks for the help.
UPDATE - PLEASE THINK NO FURTHER -
TCM 580 TIMER (which I shall now use on the Liberator and put through 2 double-pole contactors):
I think I have cracked it! Found my meter and have deduced what happens - a terminal which must be for the heater comes on at the forth 'click' - briefly and at the next click - on comes the motor. All continues and at the end of the cycle, the heater goes off and the motor (with fan) stays on for, obviously, a little while and then it shuts off.
Surprised by the heater coming on first, but suppose it is to warm up??? If, when I finally get this on the machine and IF it works, I'll do a wiring diagram of the timer if anyone is interested.
Thanks for the help.
buryan
Member
ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR TUMBLE DRY 4602
TCM 580 TIMER
NO - SORRY - FAILED!
I haven't got a switching timer negative and presumably that explains the one terminal unused for which I can't seem to find a circuit anywhere - Help, please!
Best wishes,
Kenneth.
TCM 580 TIMER
NO - SORRY - FAILED!
I haven't got a switching timer negative and presumably that explains the one terminal unused for which I can't seem to find a circuit anywhere - Help, please!
Best wishes,
Kenneth.
EE timer
Hello Kenneth , sorry that didn't work for you, can you take a pic of the wires that go to the timer ? We need to establish how many wires you have as there where 2 looms for that model ?
Also that timer if I remember is for a condenser dryer with terminals for the drain pump so may not be the best to use for a straightforward dryer timer etc..
Cheers for now , Mike
Hello Kenneth , sorry that didn't work for you, can you take a pic of the wires that go to the timer ? We need to establish how many wires you have as there where 2 looms for that model ?
Also that timer if I remember is for a condenser dryer with terminals for the drain pump so may not be the best to use for a straightforward dryer timer etc..
Cheers for now , Mike
buryan
Member
ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR TUMBLE DRY 4602
Mike - thanks very much for your help.
I've stripped out un-necessary wires associated with the old timer and now I have:
Heater element wires connecting the two thermostats in series with wires going from the first element to the switch on the front to add the second element. I have presumed that the longer element comes on first and the second (shorter element is added?).
I have the (re-wired) motor wires.
I intend to put both heater and motor wires (double pole each) through 2 independent contactors energised from the timer. So the only wires I have to worry about are mains to timer and timer to motor relay and timer to heater relay. One think I do not understand is a push 'pulse' switch on the frame with a red button with two wires connected to the porcelain connector block and no wires from it going anywhere. What was it for - anu idea, please? It is not a disconnector as it comes through the back panel completely.
Ah! Condenser dryer - I see - thanks. Well, perhaps I had better start again with a different timer? The new timer is all plastic inside, but I suppose that's the only choice these days? Can you suggest something that would do the trick, please?
Many thanks,
Kenneth.
Mike - thanks very much for your help.
I've stripped out un-necessary wires associated with the old timer and now I have:
Heater element wires connecting the two thermostats in series with wires going from the first element to the switch on the front to add the second element. I have presumed that the longer element comes on first and the second (shorter element is added?).
I have the (re-wired) motor wires.
I intend to put both heater and motor wires (double pole each) through 2 independent contactors energised from the timer. So the only wires I have to worry about are mains to timer and timer to motor relay and timer to heater relay. One think I do not understand is a push 'pulse' switch on the frame with a red button with two wires connected to the porcelain connector block and no wires from it going anywhere. What was it for - anu idea, please? It is not a disconnector as it comes through the back panel completely.
Ah! Condenser dryer - I see - thanks. Well, perhaps I had better start again with a different timer? The new timer is all plastic inside, but I suppose that's the only choice these days? Can you suggest something that would do the trick, please?
Many thanks,
Kenneth.
buryan
Member
ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR TUMBLE DRY 4602
Mike - Could I ask you to look at this page:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TIM03-12...ER-WITH-BELL-PERMANENT-POSITION/140828262360?
This looks like a clockwork simple on/off timer bringing motor and elements on together with no end cold running taking 16 amps. There are others on the page as well.
Would not something like this do?
Thanks.
Mike - Could I ask you to look at this page:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TIM03-12...ER-WITH-BELL-PERMANENT-POSITION/140828262360?
This looks like a clockwork simple on/off timer bringing motor and elements on together with no end cold running taking 16 amps. There are others on the page as well.
Would not something like this do?
Thanks.
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buryan
Member
ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR TUMBLE DRY 4602
LAST BOTHERING - I HOPE!
Ordered a 4-po;e contactor and the simplest of clock-work one-pole timers (oven timer) which will energise the contactor, hopefully, so motor and heater come on and go off at the same time. No cold running - but I don't care any more!
Thanks for help.
Kenneth.
LAST BOTHERING - I HOPE!
Ordered a 4-po;e contactor and the simplest of clock-work one-pole timers (oven timer) which will energise the contactor, hopefully, so motor and heater come on and go off at the same time. No cold running - but I don't care any more!
Thanks for help.
Kenneth.
supertwin59
Active member
Did .....
the liberator washer of the same period have the same drum door style/finish as the dryer as I am remember my mothers mother having this style in both except the cabinets were white?
This memory dates from around 1963?
Regards, Walter.
the liberator washer of the same period have the same drum door style/finish as the dryer as I am remember my mothers mother having this style in both except the cabinets were white?
This memory dates from around 1963?
Regards, Walter.
Hi Walter,
I would say a bit earlier like 1959/1960. Here’s my stacker set.
Cheers
Keith
I would say a bit earlier like 1959/1960. Here’s my stacker set.
Cheers
Keith
slowspin66
Well-known member
Timer replacement
Kenneth if you contact me via AW / email
I know someone who can help with your replacement .... regards
Kenneth if you contact me via AW / email
I know someone who can help with your replacement .... regards
buryan
Member
ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR TUMBLE DRY 4602
Hi - not sure who has kindly replied last? The deed is done - I have ordered and paid for mechanical wind-up timer and a 4-pole contactor. Thank you so much for you help.
The photo above the same midel as our 1958 Liberator washing machine that I more annoyingly all the time - scrapped 20 years ago!
Kenneth.
Hi - not sure who has kindly replied last? The deed is done - I have ordered and paid for mechanical wind-up timer and a 4-pole contactor. Thank you so much for you help.
The photo above the same midel as our 1958 Liberator washing machine that I more annoyingly all the time - scrapped 20 years ago!
Kenneth.
buryan
Member
PS - Did the original Liberator dryer has a period of running cold at the end of the cycle?
supertwin59
Active member
Hello Keymatic
.....thinking about it the dates you suggest are spot on. Grandmother used super rinso powder and if to many suds built up in the drum she would unscrew the plug in the middle of the glass window to let them out; she was notorious for being heavy handed with detergents and appliances in general!!
Many thanks Walter. Shropshire, West Mids.
.....thinking about it the dates you suggest are spot on. Grandmother used super rinso powder and if to many suds built up in the drum she would unscrew the plug in the middle of the glass window to let them out; she was notorious for being heavy handed with detergents and appliances in general!!
Many thanks Walter. Shropshire, West Mids.
buryan
Member
ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR TUMBLE DRY 8973
FURTHER HELP, PLEASE - SORRY!
I have put in a simple mechanical on/off timer and wired the motor and heater elements through a contactor - OH - just thought - how much extra current does that take? - and all is fine on low heat and after a moment on high - it blows the fuse. I am also installing a toggle switch so I can turn the heat off altogether and run the motor with cold air only.
The elements look absolutely perfect. Any idea what can be wrong with them? They are wound like an old fashioned coil electric fire, through ceramic cleats, please?
I seem to be getting a nil ohms reading, but then I am hopeless with these new meters!
Does anyone know anyone who can re-wind heater coils, please?
Thanks for all your help.
Kenneth.
[email protected]
FURTHER HELP, PLEASE - SORRY!
I have put in a simple mechanical on/off timer and wired the motor and heater elements through a contactor - OH - just thought - how much extra current does that take? - and all is fine on low heat and after a moment on high - it blows the fuse. I am also installing a toggle switch so I can turn the heat off altogether and run the motor with cold air only.
The elements look absolutely perfect. Any idea what can be wrong with them? They are wound like an old fashioned coil electric fire, through ceramic cleats, please?
I seem to be getting a nil ohms reading, but then I am hopeless with these new meters!
Does anyone know anyone who can re-wind heater coils, please?
Thanks for all your help.
Kenneth.
[email protected]
buryan
Member
ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR TUMBLE DRY 8973
I have been getting the number wrong - it is as above - 8973. Any idea of date, anyone, please?
Does anyone have manual please? Mike in Chester?! I need new belts and the old ones have vanished and wondered if anyone knew the lengths, please?
Best wishes,
Kenneth.
Eng
I have been getting the number wrong - it is as above - 8973. Any idea of date, anyone, please?
Does anyone have manual please? Mike in Chester?! I need new belts and the old ones have vanished and wondered if anyone knew the lengths, please?
Best wishes,
Kenneth.
Eng
English Electric 4602
Hello Kenneth
Have managed to find some info for you , I will scan it tomorrow and post but this may help meantime ..
It shows a wiring schematic for dryer but not timer, I would assume they would just be swapped out at source.
Also the belts specs :
Vee Belt drum / idler ref: M. 40 1/2 inch B.T.R.
Vee Belt Motor / Idler ref: M. 39 inch B.T.R.
Hello Kenneth
Have managed to find some info for you , I will scan it tomorrow and post but this may help meantime ..
It shows a wiring schematic for dryer but not timer, I would assume they would just be swapped out at source.
Also the belts specs :
Vee Belt drum / idler ref: M. 40 1/2 inch B.T.R.
Vee Belt Motor / Idler ref: M. 39 inch B.T.R.
slowspin66
Well-known member
Short out
Kenneth have you taken the element cradle out and examined it ?? Are the ceramic insulators intact ?? Regards Darren
Kenneth have you taken the element cradle out and examined it ?? Are the ceramic insulators intact ?? Regards Darren
buryan
Member
ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR TUMBLE DRY 8973
Just seen your 5 extremely useful pages of schematic with belt sizes - I am most grateful to you Mike - I think it is? Also thanks, Darren - yes the cradle is with a firm in Norfolk, hopefully being re-wired as we speak with a slightly reduced total kilowattage.
Put a toggle switch where the blank chrome plug was, so now I can run the motor and fan cold before turning on the heat elements controlled by the red knob as before.
So - very simple mechanical clock (with bell!), switching solenoids governing motor and elements and elements fully controllable by new chrome toggle. Looking forward to getting back the re-wored open cage.
WHAT a performance it has all been!! Will post a pic when it is finished. It is now finished in powder duck-egg green.
Does anyone have a rubber (?) air hose outlet ducting connector, by chance for this machine?
I thank everyone for their help
EE LIBERATOR
Just seen your 5 extremely useful pages of schematic with belt sizes - I am most grateful to you Mike - I think it is? Also thanks, Darren - yes the cradle is with a firm in Norfolk, hopefully being re-wired as we speak with a slightly reduced total kilowattage.
Put a toggle switch where the blank chrome plug was, so now I can run the motor and fan cold before turning on the heat elements controlled by the red knob as before.
So - very simple mechanical clock (with bell!), switching solenoids governing motor and elements and elements fully controllable by new chrome toggle. Looking forward to getting back the re-wored open cage.
WHAT a performance it has all been!! Will post a pic when it is finished. It is now finished in powder duck-egg green.
Does anyone have a rubber (?) air hose outlet ducting connector, by chance for this machine?
I thank everyone for their help
EE LIBERATOR
Great work
Hello great work in the dryer I have one. How are the air seals? They tend to rot and someone did tell
me they are made with asbestos. I replaced mine. I bought large strips of felt that would normally stick to big pieces of furniture to stop floor scratches. My mum sewed them together and formed a v shape in them. They seem to work well. It’s normally the front one that goes first as the heat rots it. Getting the innards out of the cabinet isn’t easy. As it can easily warp. The heat duct has a filter also that can catch fluff mine had some old pre decimal coins in
Good
Luck
Richard
Hello great work in the dryer I have one. How are the air seals? They tend to rot and someone did tell
me they are made with asbestos. I replaced mine. I bought large strips of felt that would normally stick to big pieces of furniture to stop floor scratches. My mum sewed them together and formed a v shape in them. They seem to work well. It’s normally the front one that goes first as the heat rots it. Getting the innards out of the cabinet isn’t easy. As it can easily warp. The heat duct has a filter also that can catch fluff mine had some old pre decimal coins in
Good
Luck
Richard
I should point out
That it was such a PITA of a job I would never do it again. Too many parts to align and seal
Up.
Haha
Richard
That it was such a PITA of a job I would never do it again. Too many parts to align and seal
Up.
Haha
Richard
supertwin59
Active member
Mums with sewing machines.....
invaluable!!
My mum rescued two pre war hoover upright cloth bags for me, and how great they look on the actual cleaners.
Regards, Walter.
invaluable!!
My mum rescued two pre war hoover upright cloth bags for me, and how great they look on the actual cleaners.
Regards, Walter.
buryan
Member
ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR TUMBLE DRY 8973
MY TROUBLES ARE VERY FAR FROM OVER! HELP, PLEASE!
I thought I had eventually found a firm to re-wind the open coil elements cradle but after sending the frame to them weeks ago, they are still trying to find someone to do it (and were quoted by one manufacturer £300!). I don't think they are going to be able to help and the whole exercise will have cost over £20 in wasted, insured postage.
Does anyone know anyone who can wind new element coils for me please? I am so nearly there and have just bought new belts. Just waiting upon the sorting of the elements and am still looking for a air duct connector if anyone has one tucked away - if not, I shall have to make something up.
Many thanks,
Buryan/Kenneth.
[email protected]
PS - Richard - what is a 'PITA'of a job? I have been trying to fit in a coherent set of expletives and have failed to find the formula - - !!
MY TROUBLES ARE VERY FAR FROM OVER! HELP, PLEASE!
I thought I had eventually found a firm to re-wind the open coil elements cradle but after sending the frame to them weeks ago, they are still trying to find someone to do it (and were quoted by one manufacturer £300!). I don't think they are going to be able to help and the whole exercise will have cost over £20 in wasted, insured postage.
Does anyone know anyone who can wind new element coils for me please? I am so nearly there and have just bought new belts. Just waiting upon the sorting of the elements and am still looking for a air duct connector if anyone has one tucked away - if not, I shall have to make something up.
Many thanks,
Buryan/Kenneth.
[email protected]
PS - Richard - what is a 'PITA'of a job? I have been trying to fit in a coherent set of expletives and have failed to find the formula - - !!
PITA = Pain in the Ass.
Jon
Jon
buryan
Member
Of COURSE - how bloody silly of me!! Thank you!
Haha
Hi Kenneth I might be tempted to look for another dryer as they do pop up regularly. They also made the later version with blue accents. Never mind being a PITA i through every swear word at it when re assembling lol
Richard
Hi Kenneth I might be tempted to look for another dryer as they do pop up regularly. They also made the later version with blue accents. Never mind being a PITA i through every swear word at it when re assembling lol
Richard
