The reason nothing will change with dishwashers is because they don't need to.
Years of R&D have already gone into washing dishes with just a couple gallons of water.
All the cycle programming has already been created.
The supply chains are already established with various motor manufacturers from China etc.
Very little vertical integration is left, all the components are outsourced, and even then some, are even designed outright at the suppliers.
I think LG or Samsung might be the most vertically integrated, making their own parts because they're still the old conglomerate layout (like old GE). But them too, even not a lot, with many parts outsourced.
To go back to using more water is a non-starter, also because modern dishwashers themselves, still will use lots of water when not set to Normal wash, or if their sensors tell them to.
Various Heavy cycles will still use north of 6 or 8 gallons of water!
Not to mention, the huuuuuuge driving factor for the mass market is QUIETNESS.
Whirlpool and maybe Bosch, still have some of the largest dishwasher motors for sale, around the 1/5hp range (wattage equivalent) yet their still quiet enough.
Not many customers outside of those who need apartment machines or are strictly base-model shoppers, will put up with anything these days that was as loud as a PowerClean.
And why would they when it's highly unlikely, any of the competitors would be willing to put larger, louder motors in their machines either.
Dishwashers are global commodities now with global sources.
Because the United States had decided to backslide, does not mean the rest of the world will. Which means that major motor companies today, like Nidec, or Johnson, or Askoll, will still make the same wet rotor motors the vast majority of the OEM customers demand.
As far as I know, GE and Emerson are OUT of the big appliance motor bizz.
To revert back to classic designs would mean, firstly, going back to "standard tub" height machines.
That's a non-starter. Those smaller interiors and customers will reject them.
Which means sales will be less, which will piss off shareholders.
Reverting back to older designs would mean retooling and resourcing all these components to work with bigger pumps which, A)might not exist, so they'd have to be made in-house. B) would be low volume specialty parts now, at other outside suppliers, because no other international dishwasher OEM would be requiring parts or motors like that. Specialty parts come with way higher prices.
That's also a no-go, because that would jack up sales costs and manufacturing costs to retool and source those.
That's another huuuuuge non-starter for shareholders. And their word is "law."
So no, dishwashers won't be changing.
That really applies to any appliance really.
The cast has been set by out place in time.
Years of R&D have already gone into washing dishes with just a couple gallons of water.
All the cycle programming has already been created.
The supply chains are already established with various motor manufacturers from China etc.
Very little vertical integration is left, all the components are outsourced, and even then some, are even designed outright at the suppliers.
I think LG or Samsung might be the most vertically integrated, making their own parts because they're still the old conglomerate layout (like old GE). But them too, even not a lot, with many parts outsourced.
To go back to using more water is a non-starter, also because modern dishwashers themselves, still will use lots of water when not set to Normal wash, or if their sensors tell them to.
Various Heavy cycles will still use north of 6 or 8 gallons of water!
Not to mention, the huuuuuuge driving factor for the mass market is QUIETNESS.
Whirlpool and maybe Bosch, still have some of the largest dishwasher motors for sale, around the 1/5hp range (wattage equivalent) yet their still quiet enough.
Not many customers outside of those who need apartment machines or are strictly base-model shoppers, will put up with anything these days that was as loud as a PowerClean.
And why would they when it's highly unlikely, any of the competitors would be willing to put larger, louder motors in their machines either.
Dishwashers are global commodities now with global sources.
Because the United States had decided to backslide, does not mean the rest of the world will. Which means that major motor companies today, like Nidec, or Johnson, or Askoll, will still make the same wet rotor motors the vast majority of the OEM customers demand.
As far as I know, GE and Emerson are OUT of the big appliance motor bizz.
To revert back to classic designs would mean, firstly, going back to "standard tub" height machines.
That's a non-starter. Those smaller interiors and customers will reject them.
Which means sales will be less, which will piss off shareholders.
Reverting back to older designs would mean retooling and resourcing all these components to work with bigger pumps which, A)might not exist, so they'd have to be made in-house. B) would be low volume specialty parts now, at other outside suppliers, because no other international dishwasher OEM would be requiring parts or motors like that. Specialty parts come with way higher prices.
That's also a no-go, because that would jack up sales costs and manufacturing costs to retool and source those.
That's another huuuuuge non-starter for shareholders. And their word is "law."
So no, dishwashers won't be changing.
That really applies to any appliance really.
The cast has been set by out place in time.
