EPA Reversals

[appnut]

I have no cleaning issues with my LG Turbowash front load, uses plenty of water and I get a range of temperatures from 90F to 165F to 170F, all cycles needed, spins very fast and shortens time in the dryer In fact, I've had frontloaders since 2006 when I kicked the Lady Shredmore out of my laundry room to the garage. And it sat there until 2024. The last top loader I liked was our 1970 Kenmore 800.

 

[mark_wpduet]

Do you ever feel like everything is upside down? Make it make sense... Have any of you ever heard of TEMU? People are buying craploads of stuff on there and filling their homes with things they don't need.... Tiktoker's will have trends/content creators wasting massive amounts of products to create content. It's like one aspect of life has to be environmentally friendly.... completely ignoring other aspects.. This youtuber highlights some of that...

 

[combo52]

Reply number 32 total BS

“A highly respected journalist knows about this story, what total BS she’s sitting on the story of the decade and she’s not gonna tell because there’s absolutely no evidence. This is not true at all, Dan, you should not repeat BS like this. It makes you look like a fool.

New dishwashers, the new whirlpool KitchenAid and Maytag dishwashers are doing beautifully. I get no complaints about cleaning from customers. The quality and reliability seems to be much better than it was 10 and 20 years ago while I like the Maytag dishwasher you have that does not alternate arms. The new ones are working much better than that design they still use the same heavy duty motor your machine has

New whirlpool laundry appliances are giving very few problems. The quality is at an all-time high and warranty calls are down to about nothing. I can’t remember when we sold a new whirlpool or Maytag laundry appliance that had a problem in the last decade.

It’s really a shame Dan for somebody your age to be so negative. I sure wouldn’t wanna have to live my life that way

John L

 

[agiflow]

Reply #42

Hello John, I'm curious about the Maytag MVWP586GW that came out 2 years ago. Would you know if they made any revisions to that washer ?

I purchased one back in November 2023 and only used it a couple of months.

It seemed to have a glitch where if you open the lid during the rinse fill it would only fill up to the low water level even if say you had it set to deep fill.

One of the posters said they have been having several problems with that machine.

I was on maytag's website and they don't display it anymore on their lineup.

The last time I saw it on there it said it was temporarily out of stock.

Do you know of any revision changes to that machine or if they're going to continue it or not?

If anybody would know you would.Thanks for any light you can shed.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

to william8

First of all, I don't have any problem with the Speed Queens at my apartment. Second of all, I don't need to own any of them, let alone any of the mainstream garbage that's out there to know that there's a problem with most washers to know that their performance is stupidly flawed. The GE hydrowave I used in a college dorm back in 2014 was the stupidest piece of stupid crap I have ever used. This is just a prime example! No! The clothes NEVER moved in that machine despite it being on normal/fast! That agitation was way too weak! Whatever was on top still remained on top! NO! It NEVER did a deep rinse either! I had to pay another $0.50 just so I can run it again to rinse the clothes! The dryers were just as bad or maybe even worse! They never got the clothes dry despite being on cottons/high! That Speed Queen Classic or its commercial counterparts would've turned that load over 2000 times the world over! So no, I don't need to own any of them! All I need to do is just use any machine to tell! Does it matter? Does it matter whether I own them or not? NO!!!! Oh yeah, and that GE hydrowave in my community college dorm slammed the cabinet when it went into the final spin. I've even seen one that was about to fall apart. Meanwhile, the washers my family used just got the job done right. I've used Whirlpool DD's in a dorm at texas school for the blind and they just plain old worked! None of this stupid crappy load sensing and measuring for water level! Those were real washers! And their matching Classic or commercial variant of the same dryer would've gotten the clothes dried in 1 swoop! Again! I don't need to own any of them! I've used them several times in my life! Maybe even once is too many! That's enough to form my own opinion! For the last time![this post was last edited: 2/23/2025-14:25]

 

[wayupnorth]

Last time...right!

 

[Chetlaham]

Nobody is being negative and nobody is being delusional because the other side is being fundamentally disingenuous.  

 

 

Older water using appliances did cycles in less time and cleaned just as well if not better.  (Even quick wash on tall tubs tends to use more water and energy) No error codes, no stinky filters, no exploding washing machines. Warranty calls are down sure, as are both longevity and durability.  

 

 

If anything those throwing stones are the ones pontificating hot air. Here we have a repair tech let it slip to poor cleaning, stinky filters, food bits being left behind, poor drying, and a myriad of other problems involving HE tall tubs- such that he went back to using non HE standard tubs:

 

 

 

Reply #7:

 

www.automaticwasher.org/c...

 

Reply #1:

 

www.automaticwasher.org/c...

 

 

<strong><strong>He then proceeds to invalidate anyone who says they've had the exact same problems. I am glad he has been saying such, because he has now opened my eyes to a profound truth.
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[gelaundry4ever]

chetlaham

You go chetlaham! All these people are doing are proving my point! I don't care what anybody says! I have years of experience using these machines! No! They don't need to be every brand or model to know! Just one model of each brand is enough!

 

[Chetlaham]

Jerome, what these people are saying does not reflect their lived experiences in any way, shape or form. They had and are having the same experiences as us and as most Americans. The difference between them and us is that they lie and then proceed to attack anyone who speaks the truth. I can acknowledge the truth no matter how painful it is, they can't.    

 

[gelaundry4ever]

truth

For the umpteenth time, I'd rather be offended by the truth than comforted by a sweet lie. Like I need to actually own an appliance to base my experience. No! I don't! Just using it alone is enough!

 

[wayupnorth]

Everyone is sick and tired of you 2 just repeating the same rants over and over and over. We at AW all know these things so you need to rant to them, not us, constantly

 

[william8]

Last time...right!

I wish.

 

[Chetlaham]

Same could be said about the same lies being repeated over and over.

 

 

 

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"We at AW all know these things so you need to rant to them, not us, constantly "

 

 

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I want to say thank you for being honest here. Everyone knows modern HE appliances are either mediocre or short lived. The difference being some are more honest about it than others. Hence the so called "rants" pointing out that misinformation. 

 

[william8]

chetlaham

I'm lying because I claim to not have all these problems GE has? That my clothes come clean with all the washers I use each year?

The language I would like to use to respond that is probably not allowed here.

I did buy a Speed Queen for reliability, but I don't tell everyone they MUST also buy one, and they MUST use only one cycle. It's bull...t.

 

[Chetlaham]

William, I don't have you in mind.

 

I have the example used in Reply #46 in mind.

 

Whenever someone says they are getting poor results from HE appliances, or that they break down prematurely, they are gaslit by a small contingent of this site. 

 

 

You choose Speed Queen because you knew it would last and last unlike a modern GE.

 

[luxflairguy]

Chet! this is WHY people block yoou!

 

[gelaundry4ever]

once again...

I've already told you my experience! FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME!!!! I will repeat it until you get it or until I turn blue in the face! No! I'm not the only one who feels this way! Many consumers do! Chet does too!
What about the GE model t's that shook violently during agitation? What about when they slam the cabinet during spin? I'm lucky mine didn't but still! That GE felt and sounded cheap and flimsy. The Speed Queen Classic/Commercial is much more smooth than GE model T will ever be! GE could easily make a filter-flo again if they wanted to. They just don't care! And NO! I'm not alone in feeling this way![this post was last edited: 2/23/2025-18:06]

 

[Chetlaham]

Because they can not handle the truth.

 

Blocking users speaks more about the person doing the blocking than it does for those pointing out blatant contradictions. 

 

 

EPA reversals shift discretion to where it belongs: the customer.

 

[Chetlaham]

Jerome, millions of Americans feel the way you do. Millions have experienced stinky water using appliances, appliances that don't clean, throw error, break down prematurely, are not economical to fix, wear out clothes, require pre washing/pre treatment, and the list goes on. 

 

All because of energy regs trying to do what can not be done in the first place. 

 

The whole goal of democracy is discretion, power and education resting in the average in person. The average person is at the top, the average person is the ruling class unlike most societies which have existed beforehand. Government overreach goes against everything which gave rise to the advancements and achievements of modern civilization. The whole purpose of government is to uphold and defend freedom and human rights. Not to take such away from people.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

EPA and DOE

The EPA and DOE need to stay out of our lives! Stay out of it! Today's washers, dryers, and dishwashers waste time and are always taking up space. And on top of that, these struggle to do anything. When "working properly", they sound like an animal dying! and, they fail to dry properly and the dishwashers just mist the dishes "clean". Do they think we're stupid? And you have to clean a stupid filter.
Again, how is that saving water and energy when you have to do clean washer and dishwasher cycles and run the dryers multiple times? It doesn't work like that. High Efficiency has proven to be nothing but a huge scam! I bet the GE filter-flos were more of a high efficiency washer than these "new and improved" models are. Seriously! Thousands upon thousands of complaints come in every year! Oh, and the dryers take forever to dry. What more do I need to add? You can't wash clothes with 2 cups of water, dry clothes at 80 degrees fahrenheit, and wash dishes with just a trickle of water and inferior detergents. I want phosphates in my detergents and everything to work properly. Many consumers have noticed this.[this post was last edited: 2/23/2025-23:30]