Everyone meet Horsey->LG

[bajaespuma]

Thank you extremely much

As a satisfied LG owner, I'm saving this entire thread, not only because it's going to be very useful someday, but as an appliance nut, I really appreciate being able to see all the innards.

 

[supremewhirlpol]

I think the reason for the extreme corrosion is that the spider is directly attached to the stainless steel cylinder. There is nothing like plastic or spacers between the two metals.

 

[vivalalavatrice]

Neither I could have been so good at doing this

And it's almost my daily work!
Very good job on a Tromm.

BYE
Diomede

 

[supremewhirlpol]

Ken(bajaespuma):
I really hope you don't become offended by what I have to say about these machines. Since there is at least one person who has posted, that somehow likes these machines(don't know why), I'll take it down a notch when I post my final opinion(after Horsey gets put back together).

The purpose of this topic is to illustrate what has to be done to get a machine such as this one properly working again. Since I have not seen a guide on replacing bearings in a LG on the internet, I create one. Also since there are so many flaws-> I will point them out, that way if someone wants to actually do some research before spending 1arm + 1leg + 1pinky on a machine that has an average life of 3-5 years, the info is here. Also since I have taken the time dissect something that I don't even think deserves to be called a washing machine-> might as well have some fun with it. Horsey reeks of Korean cheapness->time for him to be repaired/revised properly.

 

[powerfin64]

I too, am a LG owner...

I've been reading all the post's on this thread, and yes I am very happy with my LG washer(model WM2050CW)which is just now 7 months old, and come to find out, its been discontinued and replaced with Model WM2140CW.(with 6 motion wash action)
It shocks me beyond belief how in just the 4-5 years what problems arose and corrosion did such damage!
Thank you for all the instructional posts on what your doing to get this LG back to life again.

Rich

 

[logixx]

I wonder if LG made any improvement to this design since the introduction of 6-Motion. One would hope they made everything a little more durable with all this rocking and shaking during the wash cycle.

This is from Kenmore:

 

[macboy91si]

Sometimes Truth Hurts

I enjoy your posts about this, and the ranting about Korean cheapness. Having owned a Hyundai and a Chevy Aveo as of recent I can expensively vouch that most products from that region look much nicer than they are. The LG washer you have is shocking, and I also can't see how anyone would stand behind it. That said, people like things for their own reasons and it's impossible to pry them off of it. Take aircooled VW's. The cars have a reputation of bursting into flames because of a brass fuel inlet nipple that's merely PRESSED into the soft aluminum carburetor top. I'll give you 2 guesses what happens after a few years of vibration with that setup and a red hot engine below the fuel line. Still people love them, with all of their valve adjustments and other oddities. While I don't think this is quite the same, logic would suggest that people would run far away, but logic is not always the holding factor there. I think VW's are VERY neat cars, but I'd probably never actually own one. I don't think you should tone it down at all, as the WORN OUT saying goes from Forrest Gump: "Stupid is as stupid does", I think if a company puts out a crappy product, the bashing that ensues is par for the course. At least this was an inexpensive machine for you and not a $15000 car that you realized that they made the transmission out of dog food...

Sometimes I'm a bitter person...

-Tim

 

[supremewhirlpol]

Tim:
HAHAHA!! "dog food" that's a good one! I would have been a little more direct and used dog + a 4 letter word that begins with s and ends with t. Have you found another source for Milnors or Thumpers yet? I'm still looking for that 35-50LB Milnor!

Good news:
The bearings have arrived.
Mike, Vacfanatic: you do have a good idea->putting a coating on the spider->I will look into that, maybe some sort of expoxy, or something->Thanks for the suggestion.

 

[supremewhirlpol]

Alexander(logixx)
I surely hope they did, but something tells me not so. There's only one way to see->find one on CL for cheap-> bust it open. I'll keep my eye out-> I did see a new Samsung FL on there several weeks ago->it had issues as well.

 

[cfz2882]

that spider is nasty!,probably cast from molten beer cans...
When i did a bearing repair on a 1998 frigilux,it's spider
was still in pretty good shape with just a little pitting
near the center.
That direct drive motor is interesting-i have built a few
experimental wind generators for kicks and that LG's motor
looks like almost a ready-made small wind generator stator
and magnet rotor-if i find one of these at the dump i will
certainly grab the motor!

 

[electron1100]

LG machines

Hi from across the pond, thanks for posting these pictures of this machine.

I work at re-cyling centre and every LG machine that has come in has been dumped because of bearing failure, like you i tend think that these glitterboxes are cheaply made and not repairman freindly at all.

Though the same can be said of many modern machines not just LG.

So much emphasis is placed on superflous features and technology as if to guide prospective purchasers away from issues as reliability and build qaulity.

It is a joke however that LG make such a big thing about how there machines balance loads so well for spinning and yet they suffer from bearing seal failure and bearings and in some cases this then takes out the motor aswell

It is good that you have taken the trouble to show at least one very aggressive companies machine in the light of day.

Gary

 

[electron1100]

The Dual 701 turntable

@ whirlcool

Hi I remember the Dual 701 direct drive turntables ;-) beautifully built decks came with a Shure V15 mk3 cartridge as standard over here.

Duals claim to fame with their direct drive motor was that it did not cog as it rotated due to Hall Effect transistors being used to switch the current between coils smoothly so the rotor then rotated smoothly rather than cogging as it rotated which other designs did, though this was never a problem in reality as long as a suitably heavy platter was used to iron out the power pulses.

Hitachi sort of copied the idea later on in the 1970s with what they called "Unitorque"

Innovation eh ;-)

 

[DADoES]

 
There is a cottage industry for converting F&P SmartDrive motors to wind generators.  Many instructional web sites and even videos on YouTube.

 

[amyswasher]

I think the motors are mini generators!

A person can unplug a LG washer and spin the tub, and the thing will turn on. I found that out by accident one day checking the drum for lost socks. Dang near scared the youknowwhat out of me. Now my kids think it fun to do(mommy spin the tub). I guess pushing the power button is to easy. Thanks for posting this thread. I have hard water, so I am looking at three years down the road(if I'm lucky). I bought a Geek Squad five year warranty with mine, I am waiting for them to say: "We have no record of you purchasing a buyer protection agreement with us, we don't know you, so stop calling us." So far I'm happy with it.

 

[DADoES]

 
Amy, F&P machines with locking lids use the generator effect to keep the electronics and lid-lock active until the basket coasts to a stop when a power failure occurs during spin.

 

[supremewhirlpol]

ok...I'm not so sure what the Brushless DC PWM has to do with replacing the bearings in this machine. -> MOVING ON!!

I'm using Nachi bearings this time.

 

[supremewhirlpol]

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[supremewhirlpol]

Seal is very simple and cheap to buy. After discussing this machine with a good friend, we have solved the mystery for the reason as to the excessive corrosion of the spider. While the Aluminum spider being directly connected to the SS cylinder does not help the situation, there is a interesting effect that has taken place was a result of using the design of this machine. In other words, just isolating the spider from the SS will not solve the problem. What I have to do to the spider is a very messy, nasty, toxic process->now have to wait until additional supplies come in. I really HATE HORSEY!!!

 

[cornutt]

Are you going to alodyne the spider?

 

[tomturbomatic]

Going back to the start: The leak killed the sensor if I interpret the pictures correctly. Did the sensor have to be in that position, vulnerable to water from a bearing failure leak or was that just the cheap way to do it? Actually what's a failed sensor when you have such catastrophic failure of principal metal pieces?

In the early 60s, Westinghouse ran an ad campaign where the owner of a WH slant front washer was holding out her apron and catching money that was coming out of the machine. The ad stressed the economics of using the machine; the savings in water and detergent. The final sentence was a kicker: Because she saved so much, she could afford a new washer every 5 years. That was the point at which the warranty on the tub drive components expired. If the machine had been used hard and not really well cared for, it might be showing signs of rust in the door area and elsewhere so it might be a candidate for replacement. It might jolt people paying so much for these new machines to be told that you would save so much money in 5 years of use, you could afford a new machine when it failed. I don't know the comparrison of costs today versus the early 60s.

I Googled alodyne. That is some process. I think a treatment that alters the surface of the aluminum would have a better chance of lasting. Any coating like epoxy could develop spot failures that could actually trap and hold moisture against the metal, hastening what you are trying to prevent.

Thank you for this educational post. I'm glad my newer machines are Mieles.