Explosive Caloric Wall Oven
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whirlcool
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Well, I recommended the conversion to electric oven to this guy and he said he can't justify the cost based on how little his wife uses it. So he knows what his options are and now it depends on how long he can stand his wife bitching at him about this.
It may be years......
Like I said, money is not an issue for these people but the willingness to spend it is. Now it's up to them to take care of this.
It may be years......
Like I said, money is not an issue for these people but the willingness to spend it is. Now it's up to them to take care of this.
Wow, so cool to finally find something online about my very problem! My Caloric lp wall oven did the EXACT same thing, doors would blow out when ignitor finally caught. Doors are on nice strong springs, though, and they would spring shut again. Eventually, I would just leave one door open a little, turn the knob up to about 350, then when it lit up (after anywhere from 2 to 10 minutes,) I would close the door for preheating. I just figured it was old, original to the house built in the fifties, so something to live with and not too inconvenient. Certainly not a worry for someone like me, who grew up with gas ovens and stovetops.
Now recently, and just in time for Thanksgiving, mind you, the oven has stopped lighting altogether. After following this thread, I am going to disassemble it and try cleaning it thoroughly, to see if that makes a difference. I have the same problem as listed above, the space it occupies now is 24" x 38", not your average size for today's models, and as it sits in a cabinet at the end of the countertop and a doorway, not easily modified.
Now recently, and just in time for Thanksgiving, mind you, the oven has stopped lighting altogether. After following this thread, I am going to disassemble it and try cleaning it thoroughly, to see if that makes a difference. I have the same problem as listed above, the space it occupies now is 24" x 38", not your average size for today's models, and as it sits in a cabinet at the end of the countertop and a doorway, not easily modified.
Allen, for your own welfare, refuse to get drawn further into this situation. You have given your best advice. Scrooge refuses to spend the money. If you go back to do any work and there is any sort of bad effect, you will be blamed and, if there is any monetary loss, he will come after you for damages. Listen to them bitch about it if you have to, but do not do anything more on this oven for these people.
Possible solution for modern gas ovens' (and/or gas cooktops) need for electrical power:
Get a small battery backup system, such as used for personal computers. My gas cooktop has a standard 110 volt line cord and plug, which easily could plug into a battery backup system. I'm assuming a wall oven could have the same sort of connection, or easily be adapted to one.
The battery backup system need not be very large, since the power demand of the system computer control and ignitors is small. And it would only be needed in times when there is a power outage. Probably a good idea not to use the oven light during a power outage, though.
Get a small battery backup system, such as used for personal computers. My gas cooktop has a standard 110 volt line cord and plug, which easily could plug into a battery backup system. I'm assuming a wall oven could have the same sort of connection, or easily be adapted to one.
The battery backup system need not be very large, since the power demand of the system computer control and ignitors is small. And it would only be needed in times when there is a power outage. Probably a good idea not to use the oven light during a power outage, though.
Same occurrence with grill
We have a really cheap gas grill and the Igniter doesn't work so you have to turn it on and stick a match up the hole where the burner is. I turned it on high with the lid shut and I stuck the match up there a few secs later there was a big FOOM! Luckily my hand didn't get burned but when that happend I shut the gas off IMMEADETLY. That would have been a bad one...
We have a really cheap gas grill and the Igniter doesn't work so you have to turn it on and stick a match up the hole where the burner is. I turned it on high with the lid shut and I stuck the match up there a few secs later there was a big FOOM! Luckily my hand didn't get burned but when that happend I shut the gas off IMMEADETLY. That would have been a bad one...
whirlcool
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It's ironic that this thread popped up again now.
The guy went ahead and replaced the oven two days before Thanksgiving with a new BOL GE oven. It turns out that the wife's bitching exceeded his ability to withstand any more of it. Just as I figured it would happen.
But interestingly he removed the Caloric oven from it's mounting location before the new oven arrived. I asked him why he did that, usually the installers will do that. His response "I didn't want to have to pay for them to remove the oven". Another thing he found when he took the Caloric oven out was that it used only a 1/4" line as a gas feed. So the installers had to replace part of his old gas line.
The guy went ahead and replaced the oven two days before Thanksgiving with a new BOL GE oven. It turns out that the wife's bitching exceeded his ability to withstand any more of it. Just as I figured it would happen.
But interestingly he removed the Caloric oven from it's mounting location before the new oven arrived. I asked him why he did that, usually the installers will do that. His response "I didn't want to have to pay for them to remove the oven". Another thing he found when he took the Caloric oven out was that it used only a 1/4" line as a gas feed. So the installers had to replace part of his old gas line.
Coloric Gas Wall Oven Ignation Problems
Faye your Coloric likely needs a new igniter and Coloric also had problems with oven burner ignition if your oven is one with the infrared Ultraray broiler, if your has this burner you need a good techichion who can install the new igniter so it will work properly. Your Coloric wall oven would be from the 70s-80s if it uses a hot surface igniter. Also your experience with a gas grill may not have much to do with your ovens problem if your grill is using LP Propane gas, Natural and LP gas behave very differently.
Rich, a battery backup for gas ovens like we are discussing would need to be VERY ROBUST, these oven igniters consume almost 400 watts of power continuously when these ovens are in full use.
Faye your Coloric likely needs a new igniter and Coloric also had problems with oven burner ignition if your oven is one with the infrared Ultraray broiler, if your has this burner you need a good techichion who can install the new igniter so it will work properly. Your Coloric wall oven would be from the 70s-80s if it uses a hot surface igniter. Also your experience with a gas grill may not have much to do with your ovens problem if your grill is using LP Propane gas, Natural and LP gas behave very differently.
Rich, a battery backup for gas ovens like we are discussing would need to be VERY ROBUST, these oven igniters consume almost 400 watts of power continuously when these ovens are in full use.
whirlcool
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And remember some parts for these Caloric ovens are NLA.
retromania
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Two questions.....
Allen: Why was the gas line an issue if the oven was replaced with electric? Was there a gas cooktop nearby?
John: Why does electricity continue to feed once the gas oven is ignited?
Allen: Why was the gas line an issue if the oven was replaced with electric? Was there a gas cooktop nearby?
John: Why does electricity continue to feed once the gas oven is ignited?
Electrically Ignited Gas Ovens
Electricity is constantly required to keep the gas valve open, and in addition gas ovens that use hot surface igniters use the cheapest way of doing so. The system uses no sensor to detect when the flame actually lights so they just keep the igniter on full speed ahead consuming electricity at the rate of 300-400 watts the entire time the burner is burning.
Among US range brands ONLY WHIRLPOOL [ used on most WP, MT and Kitchenaid ranges ] has pioneered a system used on their 30" SC gas ranges that uses a spark to instantly light the oven or broiler burner. For this reason alone I sell a lot of WP built gas ranges [ these ranges are built in their Tulsa Oklahoma factory ] I think you will see this type of ignition required at some point in the future because of the electricity savings. I like it not only for the power savings and durability, but I also love pushing the bake button and then start and it lights within 2 seconds, no 30 second ---- two minute wait for the oven or broiler to start heating.
I think that you will soon see oven vents on gas ovens that will close when the burner shuts off, this will not only save gas , but should also improve baking results and keep the kitchen cooler.
Electricity is constantly required to keep the gas valve open, and in addition gas ovens that use hot surface igniters use the cheapest way of doing so. The system uses no sensor to detect when the flame actually lights so they just keep the igniter on full speed ahead consuming electricity at the rate of 300-400 watts the entire time the burner is burning.
Among US range brands ONLY WHIRLPOOL [ used on most WP, MT and Kitchenaid ranges ] has pioneered a system used on their 30" SC gas ranges that uses a spark to instantly light the oven or broiler burner. For this reason alone I sell a lot of WP built gas ranges [ these ranges are built in their Tulsa Oklahoma factory ] I think you will see this type of ignition required at some point in the future because of the electricity savings. I like it not only for the power savings and durability, but I also love pushing the bake button and then start and it lights within 2 seconds, no 30 second ---- two minute wait for the oven or broiler to start heating.
I think that you will soon see oven vents on gas ovens that will close when the burner shuts off, this will not only save gas , but should also improve baking results and keep the kitchen cooler.
I love my gas Whirlpool range.....
for many reasons, this nearly instant oven ignition is just one of them. The only time I have had a baking failure was due to OPERATOR (moi) ERROR. It has been Just That Good, and I would get it again. It has one of the best ovens I have ever owned. I am locally famous for my baking, and people are disappointed when I don't bring cookies or cake to a gathering.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
for many reasons, this nearly instant oven ignition is just one of them. The only time I have had a baking failure was due to OPERATOR (moi) ERROR. It has been Just That Good, and I would get it again. It has one of the best ovens I have ever owned. I am locally famous for my baking, and people are disappointed when I don't bring cookies or cake to a gathering.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
whirlcool
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Retromania:
They replaced the gas oven with another gas oven. The owner didn't want the expense of running a 240V line to the oven location. So to do this they had to upgrade the gas service plumbing.
The link shows the oven then installed. I'm just hoping they keep the new oven cleaner than they did the old oven. There must have been 2 inches of food debris on the bottom of the old one.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-24-in...i_kw=&ci_gpa=pla&ci_src=17588969#.UqC-eSckIYI
They replaced the gas oven with another gas oven. The owner didn't want the expense of running a 240V line to the oven location. So to do this they had to upgrade the gas service plumbing.
The link shows the oven then installed. I'm just hoping they keep the new oven cleaner than they did the old oven. There must have been 2 inches of food debris on the bottom of the old one.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-24-in...i_kw=&ci_gpa=pla&ci_src=17588969#.UqC-eSckIYI
retromania
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Oops, my mistake!
I assumed since it said GE, that it was electric. Don't think I have every seen a GE gas anything!
I assumed since it said GE, that it was electric. Don't think I have every seen a GE gas anything!
My Whirlpool also uses an electric spark to light both oven and top burners. Oven has the spark lit pilot that lights the burner and relights it as thermostat calls for more heat. Pilot is off when oven control is off. Best part of this system is you can use top burners and oven during a power outage. Another property I once owned had a brand new Brown gas countertop and wall oven. First time it was tested, it blew the broiler across the kitchen because a connection at the oven burner had not been sealed properly at the factory.
retromania
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Re: Tim's post.
Dear Gussie!
Dear Gussie!
Yes, it scared the crap out of me. Big boom and quick flash. Gas tech yelled to shut the tank off quick! Tech figured out what exactly happened and it was fixed. Worked perfect after that. I like the Whirlpool I have now better.
