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Love those L-1011 pics. So sumptuous--nowadays, I'd be thrilled to get the whole can of soda, much less have such luxurious seating and a spacious cabin.

Northwest 255 was a super-interesting case. Air Crash Investigations did a really fascinating show on it. As it turns out, pulling the P40 breaker disabled one set of aural indicators for stall, resulting in the stunted "stall...stall" audio on the CVR. (It should have been two overlaid tracks, resulting in the correct "stall-all...stall-all" sound.) P40 also disabled the "flaps--slats...flaps--slats" alert that would have otherwise reminded the Northwest pilots about the flaps configuration issue.

 
Yes, before those center overhead bins were installed the cabin seemed very airy and open.

I didn't know any of the crew members on 255. But the next retraining class we had they really pushed the importance of following the checklists. The same thing happened with the Delta flight in Dallas, a flight attendant joking with the crew when they were running the 727 pre-take off checklist. They skipped over the flap setting line item.

Those checklists are so important. Even though you think you know them you have to READ them each and every flight. They way it works is one crew member reads the line item and the other crew member verifies that the proper switch, etc. is in the right position and the person reading the checklist watches the other one actually do it. Then the next item is read and checked until the checklist is complete.

In the case of NW255 they were interrupted doing the checklist by the control tower and the confusion of where the runway was in bad weather.

Now remember that there may be situations where you don't use flaps at all for takeoff on some aircraft or you may use just 5 degrees. And in the cabin for the people who aren't familiar with the aircraft 5 degrees may appear to be 0 degrees of flaps. There have been incidents where passengers have started screaming that the plane is taking off with no flaps and it's going to crash. I've never experienced it but have known a crew member it happened to. You just have to have faith in the pilot that he know's what he's doing.

This is another reason why airlines have the "sterile cockpit" rule below 10,000ft. No conversation is allowed that does not pertain to the operation of the aircraft. This is to prevent interruptions. If a F/A comes in (and they know that they can only do this above 10,000ft so it better be an emergency) and we are to remind them that we are "sterile" and can't talk to them right now.

Now if I ever got interrupted during a checklist I'd back up 4 or 5 items and start over again from there. That prevents any missed items.

You also have to remember that during some phases of flight the cockpit can become a very busy place. The pilots are flying the aircraft, dealing with ATC, running the landing checklists, adjusting power settings, flying the instrument approach, monitoring engine performance all at the same time. But it all goes back to "fly the aircraft first".

Thanks for the link to the air crash investigations show. I hadn't seen that one yet. They are normally pretty good and accurate.
 
Hehe,i'm sure plenty here are guilty of money-saving tip #46!-i have got a lot of really great stuff that way for decades LOL. Man,that tristar cabin looks comfy and inviting-doubt i'll ever the chance to fly on one,but cool to have the clock though.
 
@arilab:

Sorry if I was coming off harsh.

I have never flown as a airline pilot. I have done a little commercial work, dropping skydivers ("meat missiles"), but that was short-lived for reasons that are better not discussed here.

I send my loved ones on airliners and have very little tolerance for crews that crash because they didn't follow procedure, because I learned from a military guy that taught me all about procedures.

Anyway, I think we are talking about the same thing.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
 
I already save money on quite a few things on their list, I don't even have basic cable TV and I was never shy to pull something I like from the trash! But they forgot to include a few things like: If you want to see your friends/relatives who live far, call them with Skype instead of taking the plane...
 
I send my loved ones on airliners and have very little tolerance for crews that crash because they didn't follow procedure, because I learned from a military guy that taught me all about procedures.

Remember that complacency in the cockpit can happen to anyone, even military crews.
Doing the same thing over and over again, day by day can lull one into getting "too comfortable" with the job. That's why there are checklists. And oh, by the way checklists sometimes change from time to time as procedures are changed.
 
Great video, thanks Whirlcool. I have to agree with the comments that say the 727 is the most beautiful passenger jet ever. I lived near an airport for several years and always loved seeing their profile on approach and takeoff. Even though this was a very loud jet if you were observing from the ground, having the engines rear mounted meant more quiet in the cabin, except for the last few rows.
 
Great video! Thanks for posting the link!

Very interesting to learn about old aircraft. I reckon it would be interesting to see someone make a documentary about the 737/DC-9 and how they changed the world of short haul travel (Esp. 737-100/200)
 

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