Damn. I must be losing my touch. It didn't work with the shrieking 3-year old at dinner tonight, either.
Better take that online refresher class.
Better take that online refresher class.
Final Update on the Apex
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My side of this aweful tail......................
Well I have yet to actually talk to Robert. As discussed with Robert two days ago I left Columbus yesturday afternoon. I got as far as Aurora IL. before I decided to stop and get some sleep. This morning I got up got ready and walked out of my motel and...............ah....something was missing. Such as a new 2006 Dodge Dakota pickup that I had rented the day before...as well as everyting that was in it such as my laptop..cell phone charging cable...small bag and notebook containing phone numbers and everything. And yes two Apex washers and a RCA washer that were promised to Robert. After having a small melt down in the parking lot I spent the entire morning filing a police report....which was fun seeing as how not only was it labor day and every cop was on a highway somewhere clocking people but I also didn't know the plate numbers or its vin number for the truck since all the rental papers were in the glove box. My cell phone battery died of course and I didn't have a charger and of course there were no stores open......so no way to get any numbers or to contact anyone except for Kim pleading for him to get ahold of Robert somehow just before it died. After that, one of the hotel desk clerks dropped me off at the only car rental place that would be open on Labor Day and I sat outside for an hour till they opened. I then drove from Aurora to O'Hare Airport where I had to wait until 3:50 to get a flight back to Dayton which cost me over $500. Then had to sit in Cincinnati for a 2 hour lay over. I just got home at about 9 from what I can honestly say is one of the worst days of my life or at least in the top 3. Now I'm sure Robert is upset with me as is everyone else on this site but honestly..............what am I supposed to do. I could honestly sit down and cry it has been such an aweful day. I can appologize to Robert till I'm blue in the face and I can ask everyone here to understand. If you don't want me around anymore I will leave and not come back. I won't even lerk. But honestly...................from the bottom of my heart........the last thing I wanted to do was hurt anyone especially Robert. He has been super kind and very cool about everything. He has helped me with a few problems I've had with getting machines and so forth. I guess I can only ask that you try to understand my side of this....this is all I can say...
Well I have yet to actually talk to Robert. As discussed with Robert two days ago I left Columbus yesturday afternoon. I got as far as Aurora IL. before I decided to stop and get some sleep. This morning I got up got ready and walked out of my motel and...............ah....something was missing. Such as a new 2006 Dodge Dakota pickup that I had rented the day before...as well as everyting that was in it such as my laptop..cell phone charging cable...small bag and notebook containing phone numbers and everything. And yes two Apex washers and a RCA washer that were promised to Robert. After having a small melt down in the parking lot I spent the entire morning filing a police report....which was fun seeing as how not only was it labor day and every cop was on a highway somewhere clocking people but I also didn't know the plate numbers or its vin number for the truck since all the rental papers were in the glove box. My cell phone battery died of course and I didn't have a charger and of course there were no stores open......so no way to get any numbers or to contact anyone except for Kim pleading for him to get ahold of Robert somehow just before it died. After that, one of the hotel desk clerks dropped me off at the only car rental place that would be open on Labor Day and I sat outside for an hour till they opened. I then drove from Aurora to O'Hare Airport where I had to wait until 3:50 to get a flight back to Dayton which cost me over $500. Then had to sit in Cincinnati for a 2 hour lay over. I just got home at about 9 from what I can honestly say is one of the worst days of my life or at least in the top 3. Now I'm sure Robert is upset with me as is everyone else on this site but honestly..............what am I supposed to do. I could honestly sit down and cry it has been such an aweful day. I can appologize to Robert till I'm blue in the face and I can ask everyone here to understand. If you don't want me around anymore I will leave and not come back. I won't even lerk. But honestly...................from the bottom of my heart........the last thing I wanted to do was hurt anyone especially Robert. He has been super kind and very cool about everything. He has helped me with a few problems I've had with getting machines and so forth. I guess I can only ask that you try to understand my side of this....this is all I can say...
I'm so disappointed for you
But I promise you that if I ever find one, I will get it, and then get it to you come hell or high water.
Guess what's even better than that: there's a pretty large community of people all over the country who will do the same for you when they find one.
Someone IS going to find one and send it off to you when you least expect it.
But I promise you that if I ever find one, I will get it, and then get it to you come hell or high water.
Guess what's even better than that: there's a pretty large community of people all over the country who will do the same for you when they find one.
Someone IS going to find one and send it off to you when you least expect it.
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Ummm I have a question...
John,
Not meaning to sound B**CHY or anything but living in Greater Chicago for most if my life I have one question: What the F**K were you doing out in Aurora? Aurora is nowhere near being on the path from Columbus to Minneapolis?
So you're saying you went 35+ miles out of your way for a motel and some rest?
Sorry dude I'm not buying into your "awful story"
John,
Not meaning to sound B**CHY or anything but living in Greater Chicago for most if my life I have one question: What the F**K were you doing out in Aurora? Aurora is nowhere near being on the path from Columbus to Minneapolis?
So you're saying you went 35+ miles out of your way for a motel and some rest?
Sorry dude I'm not buying into your "awful story"
Curiosity...
Did you get a copy of the police report?
How did you possibly fit three washers into a Dodge Dakota? Robert has a 2005 Dodge Dakota and it's a comfortable size for two appliances but you must have had a giant shoe-horn to squeeze three machines into it let alone one of them being a 29 inch wide (or more) RCA Whirlpool.
After mentioning to Robert that you were "loading your minivan" what was the need for renting a truck?
I see the question of a side-trip to Aurora, IL has been posed, but it's curious that if one were to arbitrarily choose a point in the Chicagoland area, it would be prudent to at least pick one on the path to your final destination.
After reading your "laundry list" of vintage machines you had found in your original posting a couple of months ago, why have you never bothered to offer one bit of evidence, photographic or otherwise that they actually exist? Especially after being asked for pictures repeatedly and having your credibility questioned, most would have moved heaven and earth to find a way.
Going all the way back to that original posting and your asking questions like; "who wants..." and "who is going to help me divvy them up?" a few times, I find it absolutely incredible that you were offended to get emails from club members interested in machines. Since you clearly responded to NONE of those emails, you then were shocked and traumatized to have people actually point out the fact that you ignored them. If, as you claimed, the language, tone and content was less than appropriate, when asked for the copies and/or sender's info from these emails, you failed to provide them.
Your utjj99 profile doesn't list the machines you have found but another profile under "westywashndry" does list a strikingly similar list of machines but different contact and personal info. Who are you?
I know you are probably feeling vicimized and picked on, but this brief list of questions is intended to clarify your story for everyone of us, most especially Robert. Since your antics have directly involved not only our webmaster and friend, whom I'm sure you can see will be fiercly protected by the group, but all of us that have waited for the latest tidbit of information, pictures and the emminent arrival of these machines. We deserve the truth. I hope, for the sake of your reputation and standing in this group that what you say is true and you have legitimate and truthful answers.
Did you get a copy of the police report?
How did you possibly fit three washers into a Dodge Dakota? Robert has a 2005 Dodge Dakota and it's a comfortable size for two appliances but you must have had a giant shoe-horn to squeeze three machines into it let alone one of them being a 29 inch wide (or more) RCA Whirlpool.
After mentioning to Robert that you were "loading your minivan" what was the need for renting a truck?
I see the question of a side-trip to Aurora, IL has been posed, but it's curious that if one were to arbitrarily choose a point in the Chicagoland area, it would be prudent to at least pick one on the path to your final destination.
After reading your "laundry list" of vintage machines you had found in your original posting a couple of months ago, why have you never bothered to offer one bit of evidence, photographic or otherwise that they actually exist? Especially after being asked for pictures repeatedly and having your credibility questioned, most would have moved heaven and earth to find a way.
Going all the way back to that original posting and your asking questions like; "who wants..." and "who is going to help me divvy them up?" a few times, I find it absolutely incredible that you were offended to get emails from club members interested in machines. Since you clearly responded to NONE of those emails, you then were shocked and traumatized to have people actually point out the fact that you ignored them. If, as you claimed, the language, tone and content was less than appropriate, when asked for the copies and/or sender's info from these emails, you failed to provide them.
Your utjj99 profile doesn't list the machines you have found but another profile under "westywashndry" does list a strikingly similar list of machines but different contact and personal info. Who are you?
I know you are probably feeling vicimized and picked on, but this brief list of questions is intended to clarify your story for everyone of us, most especially Robert. Since your antics have directly involved not only our webmaster and friend, whom I'm sure you can see will be fiercly protected by the group, but all of us that have waited for the latest tidbit of information, pictures and the emminent arrival of these machines. We deserve the truth. I hope, for the sake of your reputation and standing in this group that what you say is true and you have legitimate and truthful answers.
Who would leave a laptop in the truck instead of with ones person in the hotel room?
Surely the rental agency would have all the details needed about the stolen vehicle....
If you "spent the entire morning filing a police report," one could figure the time would then be 11 AM to 12 PM. Why would you have to sit "outside for an hour till they opened" at the car rental place?
It shouldn't be too hard to spot a sparkling new pick-up truck loaded with three old washing machines.
Assuming the perps dump the machines ... which one can reasonably figure they will, because who would want three old washers ... perhaps they'll be rescued.
Surely the rental agency would have all the details needed about the stolen vehicle....
If you "spent the entire morning filing a police report," one could figure the time would then be 11 AM to 12 PM. Why would you have to sit "outside for an hour till they opened" at the car rental place?
It shouldn't be too hard to spot a sparkling new pick-up truck loaded with three old washing machines.
Assuming the perps dump the machines ... which one can reasonably figure they will, because who would want three old washers ... perhaps they'll be rescued.
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Having watched this whole drama unfold, I have remained silent, hoping that utjj99 John Johnson was credible and upright and honest. I am not offering my public opinion on that but will let you draw your own conclusion, based on MY experience with him.
He had posted several weeks ago about certain machines he was looking for. I contacted him and we exchanged a couple of emails. (Yes, I saved all the emails !!) I thought it best to talk to him in person to try and verify his credibility, and we talked several times on the phone. He seemed like a nice person, spoke well and seemed to have a level of skill associated with repairing things and the love of vintage laundry appliances. He wanted to buy my Bendix combo, a 1-18 Frigidaire set that I had just rebuilt, a 1960 Maytag set, and I had an early Bendix bolt down that I told him he could have for free, upon picking up the other machines. He claimed to be in the process of moving from Toledo to Columbus Ohio, Polaris area and could make the trip to my house with the "truck" he had, on his way down to Columbus. OVER THE PHONE, we set a time and date for him to arrive at my house.
He didnt show. No word, no phone call the whole day. One always begins to imagine the worst, such as an accident. I finally got an email later that evening that he couldnt make it and would do it the following Saturday instead, one week later.
One week later, HE DIDNT SHOW AGAIN. I waited all day, no word, no message until later in the evening that he "couldnt get the truck" to pick up the machines. By this time he is starting to look less and less credible but he claimed to still want the machines. Also to note, that what he wanted to buy kept changing. Still being in contact with him, but privately questioning his credibility and character I made specific guidelines he had to meet to buy the machines. (They had to be paid for in 7 days, total due $1100.00, I would hold them for 30days, he could not pick them up until the check cleared the bank). He agreed to it, and I received an email from him that "he had put a certified check in the mail to me yesterday" and I was to notify him when the check arrived. NO CHECK EVER ARRIVED. At this point I emailed him and he stopped all communication with me. I tried phoning him, but his phone number had been disconnected.
It was very disappointing to say the least. I felt very duped, taken advantage of, and the loss of what I thought was going to be a local Ohio collector that could have been a potenial friend. Just a flake? Draw your own conclusion...........At this point, at the thought of causing hard feelings, be accused of making trouble, or just more drama than its worth, I stopped even trying to communicate with this guy. Lord knows unstable people exist, why add more drama to my already complicated life?
His ebay name is JJ165 and his feedback is less than honorable. Not long after my dilemma with him, I noticed a NEW Applianceville member posting: WestyWashnDry in "Massillion". For those outside of Ohio, there is nearby the city of Massillon where several of my friends live. The profile of machines for Westywashndry as Gansky notes is indeed strikingly similar to what utjj99 claims to own. I found this very interesting along with the fact that he has Massillon spelled wrong on his profile. Who spells the name wrong of the city they live in?
SO NOW THE MESSAGE IS TO YOU JOHN JOHNSON: Why did you stand me up not once but twice? Why did you tell me you put a certified check in the mail, which is no good to ANYONE but ME, and not answer my emails about never receiving it?
Why did you claim to receive nasty emails from club members and yet these supposed emails have yet to surface and prove your claim? Why do you have more than one Applianceville profile and name?
This is not just a cyber community here but a close knit family group for many of us. All do not always see eye to eye on everything, as we are human with human faults and frailites. From time to time toes get stepped on, fragile personalities get hurt, but the underlying bond is the love of appliances and the joy of collecting them that has brought us all together. We all respect Robert and his efforts that have made all of this possible for us.
Hope all had a Happy Labor Day! Jimmy
He had posted several weeks ago about certain machines he was looking for. I contacted him and we exchanged a couple of emails. (Yes, I saved all the emails !!) I thought it best to talk to him in person to try and verify his credibility, and we talked several times on the phone. He seemed like a nice person, spoke well and seemed to have a level of skill associated with repairing things and the love of vintage laundry appliances. He wanted to buy my Bendix combo, a 1-18 Frigidaire set that I had just rebuilt, a 1960 Maytag set, and I had an early Bendix bolt down that I told him he could have for free, upon picking up the other machines. He claimed to be in the process of moving from Toledo to Columbus Ohio, Polaris area and could make the trip to my house with the "truck" he had, on his way down to Columbus. OVER THE PHONE, we set a time and date for him to arrive at my house.
He didnt show. No word, no phone call the whole day. One always begins to imagine the worst, such as an accident. I finally got an email later that evening that he couldnt make it and would do it the following Saturday instead, one week later.
One week later, HE DIDNT SHOW AGAIN. I waited all day, no word, no message until later in the evening that he "couldnt get the truck" to pick up the machines. By this time he is starting to look less and less credible but he claimed to still want the machines. Also to note, that what he wanted to buy kept changing. Still being in contact with him, but privately questioning his credibility and character I made specific guidelines he had to meet to buy the machines. (They had to be paid for in 7 days, total due $1100.00, I would hold them for 30days, he could not pick them up until the check cleared the bank). He agreed to it, and I received an email from him that "he had put a certified check in the mail to me yesterday" and I was to notify him when the check arrived. NO CHECK EVER ARRIVED. At this point I emailed him and he stopped all communication with me. I tried phoning him, but his phone number had been disconnected.
It was very disappointing to say the least. I felt very duped, taken advantage of, and the loss of what I thought was going to be a local Ohio collector that could have been a potenial friend. Just a flake? Draw your own conclusion...........At this point, at the thought of causing hard feelings, be accused of making trouble, or just more drama than its worth, I stopped even trying to communicate with this guy. Lord knows unstable people exist, why add more drama to my already complicated life?
His ebay name is JJ165 and his feedback is less than honorable. Not long after my dilemma with him, I noticed a NEW Applianceville member posting: WestyWashnDry in "Massillion". For those outside of Ohio, there is nearby the city of Massillon where several of my friends live. The profile of machines for Westywashndry as Gansky notes is indeed strikingly similar to what utjj99 claims to own. I found this very interesting along with the fact that he has Massillon spelled wrong on his profile. Who spells the name wrong of the city they live in?
SO NOW THE MESSAGE IS TO YOU JOHN JOHNSON: Why did you stand me up not once but twice? Why did you tell me you put a certified check in the mail, which is no good to ANYONE but ME, and not answer my emails about never receiving it?
Why did you claim to receive nasty emails from club members and yet these supposed emails have yet to surface and prove your claim? Why do you have more than one Applianceville profile and name?
This is not just a cyber community here but a close knit family group for many of us. All do not always see eye to eye on everything, as we are human with human faults and frailites. From time to time toes get stepped on, fragile personalities get hurt, but the underlying bond is the love of appliances and the joy of collecting them that has brought us all together. We all respect Robert and his efforts that have made all of this possible for us.
Hope all had a Happy Labor Day! Jimmy
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Sexual Favours?
Will admit am not always the brightest blub in the box, but did I miss something? Was someone being hounded out onto the streets for a washing machine?
On second thought skip it, will probably sleep better nights just not knowing! *LOL*
L.
Will admit am not always the brightest blub in the box, but did I miss something? Was someone being hounded out onto the streets for a washing machine?
On second thought skip it, will probably sleep better nights just not knowing! *LOL*
L.
Considering
How this tale is unfolding, sexual favours seems to be the least of the problems!!!
It beggers belief how people can act like this, but I suppose jealousy and the world we live in suits some people...
How this tale is unfolding, sexual favours seems to be the least of the problems!!!
It beggers belief how people can act like this, but I suppose jealousy and the world we live in suits some people...
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another ??? regarding the awful tale
Not to further fan the flames, But, Its said "but I also didn't know the plate numbers". Every rental firm has the license plate & car make-model info on the car key tag and an 800#.
Also seems it was business as usual yesterday with retailers being open and available.
Sorry Robert
Not to further fan the flames, But, Its said "but I also didn't know the plate numbers". Every rental firm has the license plate & car make-model info on the car key tag and an 800#.
Also seems it was business as usual yesterday with retailers being open and available.
Sorry Robert
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My 2 cents...again...
Very interesting...it continues to unfold, one piece at a time! Since I am 100% unfamiliar with the area I just assumed the route John took was correct (oooops, we all know what happens when we ASSUME!), but Jeff, you made an interesting observation. Just out of curiosity I pulled up directions from Toledo to Minneapolis on MapQuest and Aurora was not mentioned ANYWHERE.
Playing devil's advocate for a moment, I've heard of moving vans being stolen all of the time, especially from motel parking lots, so that claim can't really be disputed. HOWEVER, this was NOT A MOVING VAN. Thieves are generally lazy and usually take the path of least resistance, and stealing a 2006 Dodge Dakota with 3 "junky" washing machines in the back just to get the truck would NOT seem logical and would take quite a bit of work; I would go for the more accessible vehicle! Not to mention that the Dodge Dakota is a compact pickup and like Greg said, 3 LARGE washing machines could not possibly fit! It would be different if you mentioned a Dodge Ram, which can easily swallow about 3-4 machines, perhaps it's not too late to change your story. The cell-phone battery issue is pure bulls**t, in my opinion. You were at a MOTEL! Since you said you looked out the window in the morning, and saw the missing truck, you could have just as easily gone back into your room to use the phone there, even though you might have added some extra onto your room bill! I'm definitely not buying THAT. And who the hell leaves their laptop in the truck overnight? I wouldn't!!!
About the "Westywashndry" character: the profile says "Massillion" or Massillon, HOWEVER, did any of you happen to see the email address? It was [email protected]. I also noticed that this "person" claimed to have a lot of machines (which, theoretically, he should know something about as far as technical information is concerned), yet he posted asking what the model number for a certain Laundromat is!!! In another thread, he posted about 15 vintage Kirby vacuums, with the attachments, and then at the end of the post, he used the signature "John". Yes, I thought this person's name was "Devon Allardyce!" I'm sure someone will come up with a link to that thread. I also noticed a post on Vacuumland by him as well, under the name "Westyboy1". He was wanting all of the attachments except the hose for a Hoover Celebrity IV.
--Austin
Very interesting...it continues to unfold, one piece at a time! Since I am 100% unfamiliar with the area I just assumed the route John took was correct (oooops, we all know what happens when we ASSUME!), but Jeff, you made an interesting observation. Just out of curiosity I pulled up directions from Toledo to Minneapolis on MapQuest and Aurora was not mentioned ANYWHERE.
Playing devil's advocate for a moment, I've heard of moving vans being stolen all of the time, especially from motel parking lots, so that claim can't really be disputed. HOWEVER, this was NOT A MOVING VAN. Thieves are generally lazy and usually take the path of least resistance, and stealing a 2006 Dodge Dakota with 3 "junky" washing machines in the back just to get the truck would NOT seem logical and would take quite a bit of work; I would go for the more accessible vehicle! Not to mention that the Dodge Dakota is a compact pickup and like Greg said, 3 LARGE washing machines could not possibly fit! It would be different if you mentioned a Dodge Ram, which can easily swallow about 3-4 machines, perhaps it's not too late to change your story. The cell-phone battery issue is pure bulls**t, in my opinion. You were at a MOTEL! Since you said you looked out the window in the morning, and saw the missing truck, you could have just as easily gone back into your room to use the phone there, even though you might have added some extra onto your room bill! I'm definitely not buying THAT. And who the hell leaves their laptop in the truck overnight? I wouldn't!!!
About the "Westywashndry" character: the profile says "Massillion" or Massillon, HOWEVER, did any of you happen to see the email address? It was [email protected]. I also noticed that this "person" claimed to have a lot of machines (which, theoretically, he should know something about as far as technical information is concerned), yet he posted asking what the model number for a certain Laundromat is!!! In another thread, he posted about 15 vintage Kirby vacuums, with the attachments, and then at the end of the post, he used the signature "John". Yes, I thought this person's name was "Devon Allardyce!" I'm sure someone will come up with a link to that thread. I also noticed a post on Vacuumland by him as well, under the name "Westyboy1". He was wanting all of the attachments except the hose for a Hoover Celebrity IV.
--Austin
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Aurora Illinois...
Is a far western suburb of Chicago, right next to Naperville. Its a pretty growing area, just off the I-88 East-West Tollway. I-88 runs pretty much across the width of Illinois, and drops you off on I-80 out by the Quad Cities.
Coming by road from the east into Chicago one would take I-80, and in the northwest tip of Indiana, THREE interststes merge together to one for a bit before they split off again once over the Illinois border. The Interstates are I-80, I-90 and I-94.
I 90/94 splits off from I-80 and becomes the Dan Ryan Expressway, it skirts the perimeter of downtown Chicago before splitting again. I-90 becomes the Kennedy Expressway and runs northwest to O'Hare and out beyond to Rockford and then Beloit Wisconsin...
I-94 Becomes the Edens Expressway and runs thru the north shore suburbs before merging with I-294.
I-294 is the Tri State Tollway, and it skirts the suburbs from Indiana to Wisconsin, running right past Ohare.
SOOOO... To get around Chicago and head for Minneapolis one would come in on I-80, and either pick up I-294 or I-90/94 around Chicago and then into Wisconsin...
Aurora is off I-88, a good 35+ miles west of the city, and in no way shape or form "on the way" to Minneapolis. You can get on I-88 from from the Tri-State, but not from the Dan Ryan.
How did you wind up in Aurora John??
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Is a far western suburb of Chicago, right next to Naperville. Its a pretty growing area, just off the I-88 East-West Tollway. I-88 runs pretty much across the width of Illinois, and drops you off on I-80 out by the Quad Cities.
Coming by road from the east into Chicago one would take I-80, and in the northwest tip of Indiana, THREE interststes merge together to one for a bit before they split off again once over the Illinois border. The Interstates are I-80, I-90 and I-94.
I 90/94 splits off from I-80 and becomes the Dan Ryan Expressway, it skirts the perimeter of downtown Chicago before splitting again. I-90 becomes the Kennedy Expressway and runs northwest to O'Hare and out beyond to Rockford and then Beloit Wisconsin...
I-94 Becomes the Edens Expressway and runs thru the north shore suburbs before merging with I-294.
I-294 is the Tri State Tollway, and it skirts the suburbs from Indiana to Wisconsin, running right past Ohare.
SOOOO... To get around Chicago and head for Minneapolis one would come in on I-80, and either pick up I-294 or I-90/94 around Chicago and then into Wisconsin...
Aurora is off I-88, a good 35+ miles west of the city, and in no way shape or form "on the way" to Minneapolis. You can get on I-88 from from the Tri-State, but not from the Dan Ryan.
How did you wind up in Aurora John??
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Email I received from John after asking last night
Steve, Well I have yet to actually talk to Robert. I was in Aurora this morning on my way to Roberts. Woke up got ready and walked out of my motel and...............ah....something was missing like my rental truck...everyting that was in it such as my laptop..cell phone cable...small bag and yes two Apex washers and a RCA washer. I spent the entire morning filing a police report....which was fun seeing as how I didn't know its plate numbers or its vin number since all the rental papers were in the glove box. My cell phone died of course and I didn't have a charger and of course there were no stores open......so no way to get any numbers. After that I got dropped off at the only car rental place that would be open on Labor Day and sat outside for an hour till they opened and drove from Aurora to O'Hare Airport where I had to wait until 3:50 to get a flight back to Dayton which cost me $500. Then had to sit in Cincinnati for a 2 hour lay over. I just got home and have tried to
call Rob but his phone is busy and I'm sure he is upset with me as is everyone else on the site but honestly..............what am I supposed to do. I have been second guessed and talked nasty about like I made all this shit up.....why would I do that. I offered him the machines for free........if I was truly out to do something evil don't you think I would have asked for money? Well, You are the only one to ask for my side so here I give it to you. John --- On Mon 09/04, STEVEN BOLLICH < [email protected] > wrote: From: STEVEN BOLLICH [mailto: [email protected]] To: [email protected] Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 21:31:23 -0500 Subject: Post Turd What is the deal with the Apex?
Steve
ps, hope you are feeling better after your health issues.
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Steve, Well I have yet to actually talk to Robert. I was in Aurora this morning on my way to Roberts. Woke up got ready and walked out of my motel and...............ah....something was missing like my rental truck...everyting that was in it such as my laptop..cell phone cable...small bag and yes two Apex washers and a RCA washer. I spent the entire morning filing a police report....which was fun seeing as how I didn't know its plate numbers or its vin number since all the rental papers were in the glove box. My cell phone died of course and I didn't have a charger and of course there were no stores open......so no way to get any numbers. After that I got dropped off at the only car rental place that would be open on Labor Day and sat outside for an hour till they opened and drove from Aurora to O'Hare Airport where I had to wait until 3:50 to get a flight back to Dayton which cost me $500. Then had to sit in Cincinnati for a 2 hour lay over. I just got home and have tried to
call Rob but his phone is busy and I'm sure he is upset with me as is everyone else on the site but honestly..............what am I supposed to do. I have been second guessed and talked nasty about like I made all this shit up.....why would I do that. I offered him the machines for free........if I was truly out to do something evil don't you think I would have asked for money? Well, You are the only one to ask for my side so here I give it to you. John --- On Mon 09/04, STEVEN BOLLICH < [email protected] > wrote: From: STEVEN BOLLICH [mailto: [email protected]] To: [email protected] Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 21:31:23 -0500 Subject: Post Turd What is the deal with the Apex?
Steve
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John (or whatever your name is):
There are a lot of people on this forum (including myself) that defended you when you received "hate" e-mails upon posting your machine discoveries. It appeared that you were a sincere, credible person who was being bashed by skeptical/jealous forum members. Based on your current tale of woe, it seems that YOUR credibility is now in question.
From the initial finds, to the angry e-mails, to the stolen truck and its contents, and now to the unfulfilled transactions with Jimmmy(FilterFlo), you have strung along forum members to the point of deceit.
I'm not sure if you enjoy cruel, sick jokes, are jealous of the collections that you have seen, or wanted your "15 minutes of fame". What I do know is that you have some issues that you yourself are going to have to deal with. I will no longer respond to your posts, or those of your alter-egos. You will get no sympathy from me. You have violated my trust and that of my fellow forum members. Perhaps you should find another site to exploit.
John (or whatever your name is):
There are a lot of people on this forum (including myself) that defended you when you received "hate" e-mails upon posting your machine discoveries. It appeared that you were a sincere, credible person who was being bashed by skeptical/jealous forum members. Based on your current tale of woe, it seems that YOUR credibility is now in question.
From the initial finds, to the angry e-mails, to the stolen truck and its contents, and now to the unfulfilled transactions with Jimmmy(FilterFlo), you have strung along forum members to the point of deceit.
I'm not sure if you enjoy cruel, sick jokes, are jealous of the collections that you have seen, or wanted your "15 minutes of fame". What I do know is that you have some issues that you yourself are going to have to deal with. I will no longer respond to your posts, or those of your alter-egos. You will get no sympathy from me. You have violated my trust and that of my fellow forum members. Perhaps you should find another site to exploit.
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Hi Robert. I am very sorry for the disappointment! It is my fervent wish that an Apex bounce-o-matic will come along soon for you. I am sorry for all that has gone on.
Ross
Ross
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yuck. i was very curious about the details. now that its come out, i feel quite sorry/embarrassed for the players in this drama. humiliating to be so desperate for attention. maybe best for us to stop *reacting* to this. if someone is unwell enough to contrive a months-long deception, may be best to let it fade off.
Wow what an outpouring, thank you everyone, Jimmy I had no idea you had been through the wringer so to speak with this guy as well.
I’ll add a few “inconsistencies” to the list:
I have a 2005 Dodge Dakota, all Dodge Dakota has a system called “Sentry Key”, it has dropped the rate of theft among Dakotas and other Dodge vehicles by 90%. The key has a computer chip in it to communicate with the car, it the correct key is not inserted into the ignition, there is absolutely no way to start or hot wire this car. The only way to steal it is to tow it to a safe and take it apart. Are you telling us that someone had towed this car with 775lbs of washers in the back??? Oh please.
I then drove from Aurora to O'Hare Airport where I had to wait until 3:50 to get a flight back to Dayton which cost me over $500. Then had to sit in Cincinnati for a 2 hour lay over.
You told me and others you are from Columbus, the 2nd largest city in Ohio. Are you trying to tell us that you couldn't get a direct flight from Chicago O’Hare to Columbus? So you had to fly to Dayton then fly to Cincinnati, then fly a third time to Columbus????? Oh honey please you seemed smarter than that.
I want everyone to realize that all along I was very suspicious of John, but I had spoken to him on the phone and as Jimmy said he seemed very kind and intelligent. I had spoke to him about five times and every time the story changed a bit. As I had previously told quite a few people, I figured there was less than 50% chance that this story was true, but since it is an Apex (yes supposedly two of them) and he described the machine rather well to me I would play along, if it turned out the be a big lie I was out nothing, but if it did turn out to be true I didn’t want to ruin it as I had no way of truly knowing. I also knew of the Westywashndry profile but still I thought I better just play along a little while longer to be sure. When he told me he would bring them out on Labor Day weekend I figured I would go along for just a few more weeks and we would then know the truth.
I have since learned that John had offered our Jamie (pulsator) 15 restored vacuum cleaners for absolutely nothing. I do not like the fact that he was lying to me, but it makes me crazy to know that he was lying to some of our younger members. Jamie I hope you didn’t get your hopes up too high or anyone else that has had dealings with John.
I received this heartfelt email from John late last night:
Well, I'm sure you have now heard my story if not a little of it. I did post it on the site. I was going to call you but after reading your post I decided maybe you wouldn't want to talk to me. Honestly Robert you are one of the nicest people I have ever met in my entire life and the last thing I would do is make shit up to hurt you. I thought over our many phone conversations you would realize I would not do something like what I guess I'm being accused of doing. My day has been one of total hell and disappointment. I've had the only joy in the last few months of giving you those machines destroyed. If you want me to talk to you about this I will.........if you want me to prove it to you I will......whatever you want I will do it.
So I will respond to John publicly and say, OK John we will give you just one more chance to prove it to all of us. If you can, I will be the first to apologize, but if you cannot then you will no longer be welcome here with us.
As for that comment about sexual favors, Don and I were being silly, it was just a joke from a previous John thread. See this overly DRAMATIC thread in the 2006 archives:
Thread #7185.
I have to tell everyone that it is great honor to be part of this group, we are a family and we do stick together. I just know that we are going maintain our washer community for the rest of our lives.
I’ll add a few “inconsistencies” to the list:
I have a 2005 Dodge Dakota, all Dodge Dakota has a system called “Sentry Key”, it has dropped the rate of theft among Dakotas and other Dodge vehicles by 90%. The key has a computer chip in it to communicate with the car, it the correct key is not inserted into the ignition, there is absolutely no way to start or hot wire this car. The only way to steal it is to tow it to a safe and take it apart. Are you telling us that someone had towed this car with 775lbs of washers in the back??? Oh please.
I then drove from Aurora to O'Hare Airport where I had to wait until 3:50 to get a flight back to Dayton which cost me over $500. Then had to sit in Cincinnati for a 2 hour lay over.
You told me and others you are from Columbus, the 2nd largest city in Ohio. Are you trying to tell us that you couldn't get a direct flight from Chicago O’Hare to Columbus? So you had to fly to Dayton then fly to Cincinnati, then fly a third time to Columbus????? Oh honey please you seemed smarter than that.
I want everyone to realize that all along I was very suspicious of John, but I had spoken to him on the phone and as Jimmy said he seemed very kind and intelligent. I had spoke to him about five times and every time the story changed a bit. As I had previously told quite a few people, I figured there was less than 50% chance that this story was true, but since it is an Apex (yes supposedly two of them) and he described the machine rather well to me I would play along, if it turned out the be a big lie I was out nothing, but if it did turn out to be true I didn’t want to ruin it as I had no way of truly knowing. I also knew of the Westywashndry profile but still I thought I better just play along a little while longer to be sure. When he told me he would bring them out on Labor Day weekend I figured I would go along for just a few more weeks and we would then know the truth.
I have since learned that John had offered our Jamie (pulsator) 15 restored vacuum cleaners for absolutely nothing. I do not like the fact that he was lying to me, but it makes me crazy to know that he was lying to some of our younger members. Jamie I hope you didn’t get your hopes up too high or anyone else that has had dealings with John.
I received this heartfelt email from John late last night:
Well, I'm sure you have now heard my story if not a little of it. I did post it on the site. I was going to call you but after reading your post I decided maybe you wouldn't want to talk to me. Honestly Robert you are one of the nicest people I have ever met in my entire life and the last thing I would do is make shit up to hurt you. I thought over our many phone conversations you would realize I would not do something like what I guess I'm being accused of doing. My day has been one of total hell and disappointment. I've had the only joy in the last few months of giving you those machines destroyed. If you want me to talk to you about this I will.........if you want me to prove it to you I will......whatever you want I will do it.
So I will respond to John publicly and say, OK John we will give you just one more chance to prove it to all of us. If you can, I will be the first to apologize, but if you cannot then you will no longer be welcome here with us.
As for that comment about sexual favors, Don and I were being silly, it was just a joke from a previous John thread. See this overly DRAMATIC thread in the 2006 archives:
Thread #7185.
I have to tell everyone that it is great honor to be part of this group, we are a family and we do stick together. I just know that we are going maintain our washer community for the rest of our lives.
Sentry Key
My partner's 98 Holden Barina has that feature. We didn't know it till I took the key to Mr Minit and got a new key cut. It opens the door, turns in the lock and the car starts - as soon as you let the key snap back to "on" it stops. You can start it 100 times but it will always stall as soon as you let go of the key.
Use the fancy schmantzy key with a chip in the head and away you go...we had to get a second key from the dealer and boy did we have to give some ID. Cost over $100, too.
Of course anyone who leaves a laptop in a car overnight might just concievably be silly enough to leave the keys in it too...
I HATE to call anyone a liar without absolute proof, but this episode leaves a nasty taste in my mouth... and I am not referring to the afore-mentioned sexual favours.
Chris
My partner's 98 Holden Barina has that feature. We didn't know it till I took the key to Mr Minit and got a new key cut. It opens the door, turns in the lock and the car starts - as soon as you let the key snap back to "on" it stops. You can start it 100 times but it will always stall as soon as you let go of the key.
Use the fancy schmantzy key with a chip in the head and away you go...we had to get a second key from the dealer and boy did we have to give some ID. Cost over $100, too.
Of course anyone who leaves a laptop in a car overnight might just concievably be silly enough to leave the keys in it too...
I HATE to call anyone a liar without absolute proof, but this episode leaves a nasty taste in my mouth... and I am not referring to the afore-mentioned sexual favours.
Chris
filterflo
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Yes Robert, he really did put me thru the wringer. I too at first thought he was a sincere person. But the claim that he sent me a certified check for $1100.00 that never arrived and no response to my emails about it confirmed that I did not want to have any more to do with him. People can view your link in the previous post about his claim of hate mail. This happened right after my dealings with him, and I was very apprehensive that I would be the one accused of it. At that point I just decided to sit and watch what would unfold so that I could NOT be accused of anything as I have been in the past. My thoughts were if the guy is a fake, then give him enough rope and he will hang himself. If you look at the link most of the people that defended him are the same people that are vilifying him now. Members are to be commended for trying to defend a person, and at the same point shame on some of them for taking this persons word and credibility with out even knowing him at all. Lets hope it all ends soon, and he disappears, who ever he is. "Massillion"? "Toledo"? "Columbus"? Yeah right!
veg-o-matic
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Man.
"Sucks" doesn't begin to cover it.
Well gents, looks like we'll all have to go back to looking for an Apex for Robert. Worry not, dear Webmaster. We'll find one for you.
veg
"Sucks" doesn't begin to cover it.
Well gents, looks like we'll all have to go back to looking for an Apex for Robert. Worry not, dear Webmaster. We'll find one for you.
veg
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wise words
David, I commend you on your wisdom about letting this drop. Smart, very smart in NOT giving this character any more attention. He's had way too much already!
David, I commend you on your wisdom about letting this drop. Smart, very smart in NOT giving this character any more attention. He's had way too much already!
Enough, just as we are
It is a terrible burden for John to service the weight of all this subterfuge. The true beauty of this family at Washers is that we are accepted and are allowed to flourish in being just us. No one here needs a warehouse full of vintage washers, to be honored and respected. Blessings on you all and a double dip for Robert, who really is who I want to be, when I grown up.
Kelly
It is a terrible burden for John to service the weight of all this subterfuge. The true beauty of this family at Washers is that we are accepted and are allowed to flourish in being just us. No one here needs a warehouse full of vintage washers, to be honored and respected. Blessings on you all and a double dip for Robert, who really is who I want to be, when I grown up.
Kelly
frontaloadotmy
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We need some
"Gay" Cake!!!
I could go for about half of a "Just Desserts" 2 layer
Vanilla Cake. Served out back in the Patio of the
store on Church St south of Market in San Francisco. We'll
Vacuum up the crumbs with the "Lewyt Golden" , which will be
Robert's designated "Consolation Gift". Robert and a few
other "East of the Rockies" AW.O Dignitaries will fly over
"utjj99's" Toledo, by way of Aurora, Compound in the AW.O
Corporate Lear Jet and dump said crumbs. We will then proceed to colonize Mars! Perhaps when all the dust settles, I will permitt Robert one light peck on the lips!!!!!!!!
"Gay" Cake!!!
I could go for about half of a "Just Desserts" 2 layer
Vanilla Cake. Served out back in the Patio of the
store on Church St south of Market in San Francisco. We'll
Vacuum up the crumbs with the "Lewyt Golden" , which will be
Robert's designated "Consolation Gift". Robert and a few
other "East of the Rockies" AW.O Dignitaries will fly over
"utjj99's" Toledo, by way of Aurora, Compound in the AW.O
Corporate Lear Jet and dump said crumbs. We will then proceed to colonize Mars! Perhaps when all the dust settles, I will permitt Robert one light peck on the lips!!!!!!!!
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Liar,
You are really getting a kick out of yourself aren't you!
Laughing your head off at all of the fuss you have caused on the club, and loving all of the attention you are now getting. Attention at any cost without any regards to any person's feelings.
Sounds like you do this all of the time. Just to get attention. What a sad life you live!
You really need help, or take the meds your Psychiatrist has put you on, with consistency. You have been told all of your life to quit lying, but you can't.
You are a pathetic person, that really needs help.
Brent
You are really getting a kick out of yourself aren't you!
Laughing your head off at all of the fuss you have caused on the club, and loving all of the attention you are now getting. Attention at any cost without any regards to any person's feelings.
Sounds like you do this all of the time. Just to get attention. What a sad life you live!
You really need help, or take the meds your Psychiatrist has put you on, with consistency. You have been told all of your life to quit lying, but you can't.
You are a pathetic person, that really needs help.
Brent
Lordy
And I believed this would happen only once to us. I'm having Chad Miller visions again.
And I believed this would happen only once to us. I'm having Chad Miller visions again.
I'm so sorry
Wow I just got back from a long weekend expecting an APEX not more drama... Well it just goes to show there are Looney Tunes everywhere. Ever since the whole sexual favors thing erupted I suspected that this guys Bendix wasn’t completely bolted to the floor!
Don't worry you will find one, just have to keep looking. I have a good friend that has turned into an Estate sale junky, he has strict orders to call and describe any appliance he see that looks vintage. You will be the second contact!!
Donnie
Wow I just got back from a long weekend expecting an APEX not more drama... Well it just goes to show there are Looney Tunes everywhere. Ever since the whole sexual favors thing erupted I suspected that this guys Bendix wasn’t completely bolted to the floor!
Don't worry you will find one, just have to keep looking. I have a good friend that has turned into an Estate sale junky, he has strict orders to call and describe any appliance he see that looks vintage. You will be the second contact!!
Donnie
bethann
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OK, I know I'm gonna get in trouble for this...
But, I don't care!
Sorry about the Apex Robert!
Sorry about your dealings Jimmy!
Sorry everyone had to go through all the drama!
John: I think your a little ASSHOLE! It just so happened's that I live very close to you! ( Indianapolis ). At this very moment I feel like driving over there and beating your ASS! The mind games you have been playing are so idiotic I can't believe it!
Poor me, Poor me! Go fuck yourself! And stay away from this site!
You need to improve you lying skills!
I feel better now!
But, I don't care!
Sorry about the Apex Robert!
Sorry about your dealings Jimmy!
Sorry everyone had to go through all the drama!
John: I think your a little ASSHOLE! It just so happened's that I live very close to you! ( Indianapolis ). At this very moment I feel like driving over there and beating your ASS! The mind games you have been playing are so idiotic I can't believe it!
Poor me, Poor me! Go fuck yourself! And stay away from this site!
You need to improve you lying skills!
I feel better now!
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Bethann - you go girl!!
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