GE dishwasher lies...

[johnb300m]

Ooooph. Ooooph. This might be record for dumbest thread I’ve read yet.

Yes the GE brush motors suck in the sense their shaft seals were bad.
Not so much the brushes.
My parents and I both had GE brush motor dishwashers and they both leaked at the shaft seal.
My parents’ base cabinets were even ruined by it for leaking for years before noticing.

The wet rotor motors are far superior and leak free.
Haier moved GE dishwashers to wet rotors. It’s the one positive thing Haier did!

Even Frigidaire has done away with the old brushed Johnson motors.
They both switched to brushed motors around the same time, when Elux was trying to buy GE Appliances, probably trying to consolidate supply chains before the sale.

 

[Chetlaham]

The brushes don't last forever, they literally have a guaranteed finite life expectancy. As the brushes press against the slotted commutator rotating at thousands of RPMs the brushes are literally shaved and ground down steadily becoming shorter.  After a few thousand hours (at best) the brushes become to short to reach the commutator and the motor stops working, often after severe arcing / sputtering pits, burns, glazes and damages the commutator teeth.  

 

 

Brushed motors are only practical where high RPM, small in size, light in weight motors are required at short run time intervals. Hair dryers, coffee grinders, drills, mixers, hand held tools, vacuum cleaner, toys ect. Another application is precise speed control under varying torque loads (where AC motor slip will not do it) like sowing machines and conveyors. In the past where AC was not available like RVs and solar was another driver for brushed motors, though that is becoming a thing of the past with variable frequency drives. 

 

 

None of these apply to a dishwasher.

 

[johnb300m]

Well, the brushes in my parents’ GE lasted at least 8 years, so there’s that.
It was the pump seal that gave out first.

You’re tilting at windmills at this point, since the brushes motors are out and wet rotors are now in.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

chetlaham

I'm glad that GE uses a wet magnetic rotor motor for their wash pump in the builder grade dishwasher so I don't have to hear that stupid shrieking, but I miss the real AC induction motors they used for years.

 

[Chetlaham]

I miss the induction motors too.

 

Personally I think a precision built PSC motor on a Whirlpool Power Clean Filter Module would be the best sounding.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

chetlaham

I agree. I miss the rock band sound of the GE filter-flo washer's normal speed agitation too. As for the dishwasher, I remember it sounded like a copy machine while it was washing due to that rhythmic spraying against the door.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

Would you like to bet part number 807473201 and the following thread?

You're calling for a ban when the information you're posting is blatantly false. Frigidaire and GE have been using brushed motors for years. Take one apart and then come back to me.

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https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?64413

Better yet, listen to one in operation. How about that?

 

[gelaundry4ever]

I did watch the video, and two things stand out.

1. Isn’t the Active Flood protect your bog-standard float switch? I don’t see what is different in this versus a typical dishwasher without much loaded overfill sensor.

2. These people’s lack of enthusiasm is screaming “we know this is a sh*tty product”. I’ve used that one. It makes an Amana feel like it was built by Miele.

Yes, and it makes the LG feel like a Sherman tank. Don't even get me started on the noise that GE makes. I was at my dad's in Houston a couple of months ago and I couldn't believe how flimsy and cheap it was.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

I used one for a weak in a vacation rental. The tine arrangement on the bottom rack was maddening- nothing fits in the rearmost angled section. It’s got the cheapest feeling door and racks. And it’s deafeningly load to boot. The only positive is it did technically clean, but even then I noticed the filter had so more gunk on it after a week than any Miele or Whirlpool of mine did after a month.

Then are my assumptions correct? It’s no different than a typical overflow protection float? I wouldn’t put it past them to try and market something so standard. It’s as dumb as the blades in the drain pump to “chop away food”… even though it has the same three stage filter that would prevent such food from getting to it in the first place.

I do like that whirlpools current stainless-steel tub models have a leak sensor tray that extends under the water inlet valve (even though their website says it is not meant to detect such leaks, yet looking at the tray it deliberately extends under the valve). That seems like a real improvement over the standard float switch.

I don't even hear the sound of a food chopper in the GE at all, so I suspect GE is lying.

 

[johnb300m]

Chetlaham... if you're reading this, this one's for you. I can't believe what GE's putting out with outright lies. This is no way a potscrubber. I'm serious. The pumps are puny and can't handle a full load. I have to test it to believe it. They sound like they have wet magnetic rotor pumps in them used as drain pumps.
Can you believe that these Chinese pumps wipe out tough stains? I don't.[this post was last edited: 4/22/2025-15:05]

It doesn’t matter what your opinion or beliefs are. Thankfully, what actually matters is their testing data and Consumer Reports, Reviewed, test results say.

 

[appnut]

Why don't Jerome and Chet take their banter back and forth to their own private rooms so we don't have to endure their dribble and crap

 

[gelaundry4ever]

It doesn’t matter what your opinion or beliefs are. Thankfully, what actually matters is their testing data and Consumer Reports, Reviewed, test results say.

Tell that to the thousands of consumers who aren't satisfied with their dishwashers.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

It doesn’t matter what your opinion or beliefs are. Thankfully, what actually matters is their testing data and Consumer Reports, Reviewed, test results say.

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/homeowners/ge_dishwashers.htm?page=3

 

[daveamkrayoguy]

Why don't Jerome and Chet take their banter back and forth to their own private rooms so we don't have to endure their dribble and crap

I agree, what more can be said here that hasn't before been mentioned about Washing Appliances by Modern-Day GE?

 

[johnb300m]

I don't even hear the sound of a food chopper in the GE at all, so I suspect GE is lying.

Tell that to the thousands of consumers who aren't satisfied with their dishwashers.

Are these “thousands of consumers” in the room with us right now?

 

[johnb300m]

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/homeowners/ge_dishwashers.htm?page=3

lol what a joke. The latest of those are from 2022. Many seem like bad shipping damage complaints. Some are legit appliance failures. But there are less than 800 “1 star” reviews there.
Hardly anywhere near the thousands and millions you bleat about.
That’s also just some obscure “complaint” site that is not well known.

GE makes several million dishwashers A Year. If their quality within warranty is 99.5% (which is what most companies strive for, they don’t care about after warranty).
For example, if they make 5 million dishwashers in a year, 0.5% that fail = 25,000 dishwashers, annually. It’s unfortunate that many fail, but those are real good statistics for a company’s manufacturing process, and service team to handle.

 

[Chetlaham]

Why don't Jerome and Chet take their banter back and forth to their own private rooms so we don't have to endure their dribble and crap

My last reply was on April 24, 2025. I haven't said anything since so I am not sure why you're dragging my name into a thread I have since abandoned.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

My last reply was on April 24, 2025. I haven't said anything since so I am not sure why you're dragging my name into a thread I have since abandoned.

Exactly! Some people can't stand hearing from REAL consumers.

 

[appledude1]

Yes, and it makes the LG feel like a Sherman tank. Don't even get me started on the noise that GE makes. I was at my dad's in Houston a couple of months ago and I couldn't believe how flimsy and cheap it was.

I looked at "replacements" for my ancient GE Potscrubber 940, and the bottom of the line GE was unacceptable in quality - the door of it felt like a Barbie Doll "toy" appliance, as a pug lover, I have seen many pics of pugs walking on the door of the open dw to try to steal scraps of food - or just plain lay there - I shudder to think if anything "walked" on the open door of this garbage. My old GE is built like a tank, it was originally installed very well by extending my kitchen cabinet, with a thick butcher block top. After finally getting repaired (it has needed very few repairs over the years) - it is so nice and quiet. The main problem I ended up having - kicking myself - was NOT the dw - someone had installed a handmade metal "extension cord" that looked very solid and industrial. I guess after unplugging it a few times over the years it was shorting out a bit, tripping the GFI. So it recently had a new motor (the old one was getting very raspy) - timer (probably didn't need) - pump seal, heating element (probably didn't need) - and the repairman accidentally put a hole in the bottom, so had to reseal it with a high-temp glue - which is holding fine - the stuff he used to seal it with didn't hold. And I made sure, when I pulled it out to work on it, I put some good vinyl flooring underneath it (I am on the 2nd floor, with neighbors underneath) and I installed a floodstop unit under it, so like my fridge, if a line breaks, it shuts off the flow of water to it. And it tests the water valve once per month by opening and closing it. AND, if you want to work on either, you just push the button to OFF for that floodstop to that appliance - when done, push ON again -

 

[appledude1]

Exactly! Some people can't stand hearing from REAL consumers.

Not too experienced with some of this forum stuff, but why would you care if anyone "drags your name in" for a post you have since abandoned? These are friendly forums - if I can help someone with my experiences, I do - and for the record, I may not always remember all the "rules" - so occasionally mentioning where a post should be put or how to do something in a FRIENDLY way is expected -

 

[gelaundry4ever]

Not too experienced with some of this forum stuff, but why would you care if anyone "drags your name in" for a post you have since abandoned? These are friendly forums - if I can help someone with my experiences, I do - and for the record, I may not always remember all the "rules" - so occasionally mentioning where a post should be put or how to do something in a FRIENDLY way is expected -

I couldn't care less what anybody else thinks. Another thing I hate about new GE dishwashers is that they ELIMINATED the vent to air out the steam.

 

[appledude1]

Any idea why? I thought GE DW still used a heating element (that I love, I want HEATED drying) - and if so, you would think the steam would need to be vented -

 

[egress]

Any idea why? I thought GE DW still used a heating element (that I love, I want HEATED drying) - and if so, you would think the steam would need to be vented -

I think they're relying on an amount of condensation to occur on the relatively cooler sides of the dishwasher. This sorta works? my experience was varied but it works well enough that I didn't find it a bother.

 

[DADoES]

Dishwashers that have no-heat drying do so primarily via a combination of drip-off and condensation promoted by the tub cooling faster than the dishware (glass, ceramic, some heftier metals) heated by the final rinse water, which entices the moisture in the tub environment to condense onto the tub surface and (hopefully mostly) run down to the sump. That's a factor on why rinse aid is required to reduce surface tension of the water and promote drip-off of the dishware. The tub surface may remain moist unless the door is left ajar for a period of time for full evaporation. The auto-open door feature on some upper-end models, of course, is for that purpose.

 

[Chetlaham]

Not too experienced with some of this forum stuff, but why would you care if anyone "drags your name in" for a post you have since abandoned? These are friendly forums - if I can help someone with my experiences, I do - and for the record, I may not always remember all the "rules" - so occasionally mentioning where a post should be put or how to do something in a FRIENDLY way is expected -

Only because in post #41 used some less than friendly language direct at myself "dribble" and "crap" while receiving 7 likes and then insinuating I was still engaged in said back and forth debate when I stopped months ago.

https://automaticwasher.org/threads/ge-dishwasher-lies.97992/page-2#post-1243714

Which I ask, why admonish me for behavior I have since stopped?

With that said, a select few do not tolerate dissenting opinions well. As I said, if your appliance is working for you, then it working for you. I don't invalidate your own experience.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

Only because in post #41 used some less than friendly language direct at myself "dribble" and "crap" while receiving 7 likes and then insinuating I was still engaged in said back and forth debate when I stopped months ago.

https://automaticwasher.org/threads/ge-dishwasher-lies.97992/page-2#post-1243714

Which I ask, why admonish me for behavior I have since stopped?

With that said, a select few do not tolerate dissenting opinions well. As I said, if your appliance is working for you, then it working for you. I don't invalidate your own experience.

I agree completely.

 

[johnb300m]

I couldn't care less what anybody else thinks.

Understatement of the freakin’ century.