GE combo
Here is one positive with extra water option
Here is one positive with extra water option
GE Profile Combo Washser/Dryer at KBIS 2023
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This load was a test of towels with extra water selected as well as extra rinse! A little to much soap in my opinion. I dont know how many rinses it gave but all the towels did dry well in a decent amount of time.
This load was a test of towels with extra water selected as well as extra rinse! A little to much soap in my opinion. I dont know how many rinses it gave but all the towels did dry well in a decent amount of time.
Demonstration video number 80
Good demonstration it seem to rinse away the suds very nicely, it sure doesn’t look like it had a dozen towels in it looks more like 4 to 6 when he removed the load at the end.
John
Good demonstration it seem to rinse away the suds very nicely, it sure doesn’t look like it had a dozen towels in it looks more like 4 to 6 when he removed the load at the end.
John
mark_wpduet
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What the heck is with all that soap? I would say the user used to much but I'm pretty sure the machine dispenses it in the right doses? No? anyway, if it used that much water for the wash... and both rinses... that's PLENTY of water... just way too much soap...I cringe when I see that much soap because I know it's really bad for the washer
In all the years of having my FL washer, I rarely ever see the first soap bubble...I mean, not even a little.
In all the years of having my FL washer, I rarely ever see the first soap bubble...I mean, not even a little.
powerfin64
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I completely agree the user used WAY too much detergent, and the towels wasn't dirty at all. Adding the extra water option was overkill for that load.
The machine has 3 setting for dispensing detergent, less, normal, more, called "smart dispense" for liquid detergent. Powder detergent is added manually.
the towel cycle has 2 default rinses, only 1 more rinse can be added. Without the more water option, that cycle uses plenty of water.
The user of that machine obviously doesn't know how to do laundry correctly. sad.
The machine has 3 setting for dispensing detergent, less, normal, more, called "smart dispense" for liquid detergent. Powder detergent is added manually.
the towel cycle has 2 default rinses, only 1 more rinse can be added. Without the more water option, that cycle uses plenty of water.
The user of that machine obviously doesn't know how to do laundry correctly. sad.
mark_wpduet
Well-known member
the user responded to one of my comments and he says he ONLY used the more water option because people requested it... He thinks GE put that option to make those that who think FL washers don't use enough water happy...
I keep seeing people comment also about being afraid if a stain doesn't come out if it gets dried into the fabric setting it... Here's my experience with that... that stain most of the time will eventually come out with future washes (not always) depending how bad it is..even if it's been dried..I've missed food oil stains that got dried...I put a drop of dish soap on it...wash it again with the next load...dry it and the oil stain is gone...The only kind of stains I usually have to deal with are small food stains...and sometimes I miss treating them...but I can usually get them out even after they have been dried... so I wouldn't panic over that..
I keep seeing people comment also about being afraid if a stain doesn't come out if it gets dried into the fabric setting it... Here's my experience with that... that stain most of the time will eventually come out with future washes (not always) depending how bad it is..even if it's been dried..I've missed food oil stains that got dried...I put a drop of dish soap on it...wash it again with the next load...dry it and the oil stain is gone...The only kind of stains I usually have to deal with are small food stains...and sometimes I miss treating them...but I can usually get them out even after they have been dried... so I wouldn't panic over that..
Too many suds in a wash load ?
Reply number 82, Hi Mark, while I certainly agree, more detergent was used on this load than necessary. I cannot imagine how the extra suds would hurt the washing machine.
In my extensive experience in my colleagues experience, I have never seen a problem with using too much detergent in a washing machine in so far as it actually harming the machines, mechanical or electrical systems.
If you want to see what the lack of detergent does to a machine, look at the thread on reviving a recent direct drive model from your fellow Kentucky friend, you could very clearly see the harm that it’s done to a washing machine by using too little detergent.
I always try to air on the side of using a little too much detergent, when I rebuilt my lady Kenmore belt, drive machine after over 30 years of use there was barely a trace of any film in the outer tub on the outside of the wash basket, etc..
John
Reply number 82, Hi Mark, while I certainly agree, more detergent was used on this load than necessary. I cannot imagine how the extra suds would hurt the washing machine.
In my extensive experience in my colleagues experience, I have never seen a problem with using too much detergent in a washing machine in so far as it actually harming the machines, mechanical or electrical systems.
If you want to see what the lack of detergent does to a machine, look at the thread on reviving a recent direct drive model from your fellow Kentucky friend, you could very clearly see the harm that it’s done to a washing machine by using too little detergent.
I always try to air on the side of using a little too much detergent, when I rebuilt my lady Kenmore belt, drive machine after over 30 years of use there was barely a trace of any film in the outer tub on the outside of the wash basket, etc..
John
mark_wpduet
Well-known member
I don't know.. seems like I remember reading somewhere that extra suds are bad for the washer...maybe it was a spider failure discussion on here or something? I know there's many things that can cause it but most people agreed it was bad washing habits because all the machines we saw taken apart with a spider failure looked like HELL...the NASTY goo on the outer drum.. You're right... too little isn't good but too much isn't either...It's really a mystery why some spiders fail and others don't...it's gotta be something the user is doing...I feel like I remember reading excessive suds could somehow make their way into it causing corrosion...but I'm not really sure how that would even happen... so it could be fake news...
Smart Dispense
In my opinion for most people, smart dispense is for people who are too lazy and stupid to be doing laundry. I can see if I'm a blind user which I am.
In my opinion for most people, smart dispense is for people who are too lazy and stupid to be doing laundry. I can see if I'm a blind user which I am.
powerfin64
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JEROME
that is NOT the reason why the smart dispense is on that machine! You need to learn some manners on here, which you're not comprehending!
that is NOT the reason why the smart dispense is on that machine! You need to learn some manners on here, which you're not comprehending!
Mark, goo on the spider, inner surface of the outer tub, exterior of the drum is not detergent residue in my comparatively limited experience. It would generate sudsing if so, right? None of the various nasty toploaders and front loaders I've cleaned up had the gunk generating suds when sprayed/scrubbed with water.
Oversudsing happens a lot in laundromats, but those machines last a long time. But too much detergent like we see here and laundry that isn’t rinsed well, can lead to skin problems.
smart dispense
So what happens when the smart dispense tank tubes get clogged and error codes result? Sure I would use it, but how effective is it before these tubes end up getting clogged?
So what happens when the smart dispense tank tubes get clogged and error codes result? Sure I would use it, but how effective is it before these tubes end up getting clogged?
mark_wpduet
Well-known member
I know cheap dish liquid tends to gunk up....whereas the more expensive ones don't... maybe it's the same with liquid detergents...? But what's a good question: WTH would you do if that happened?
Automatic dosing issues
The EU had these systems for decades now.
Some systems have more issues, some less.
The biggest issue is not necessarily type of detergent/softener, but time.
If you leave for weeks, manufacturers recommended emptying tanks.
Most machines have flushing cycles for the lines in case of either changing detergent or leaving the system unused for long periods of time.
Given that within the pipe, there is no contact to air, the time until issues arise isn't terribly short.
But it can happen, and that usually means taking apart the system and flushing out all the piping or changing it out.
Some systems have the pumps right on the drawer which means there is less distance between where the detergent exits and the reservoir, others like Mieles TwinDos have quite long pipes.
In general, under normal use of the system (once a week) and with minimal care, you shouldn't run into issues.
On the topic of oversudsing with automatic dosing: These systems usually need to be told a specific amount for a specific load.
Since US detergent manufacturers appear to be less keen on providing such information, most manufacturers just "guestimate" what to dose.
Thus, he might have just misadjusted the system.
Some suds are usually not a big issue, but as soon as a closed suds layer with a sufficient thickness (half an inch or more) forms it certainly is to much detergent.
That is as long as rinsing performance is still up to par.
Some detergents just suds more even with correct dosing yet still rinse away nicely.
The EU had these systems for decades now.
Some systems have more issues, some less.
The biggest issue is not necessarily type of detergent/softener, but time.
If you leave for weeks, manufacturers recommended emptying tanks.
Most machines have flushing cycles for the lines in case of either changing detergent or leaving the system unused for long periods of time.
Given that within the pipe, there is no contact to air, the time until issues arise isn't terribly short.
But it can happen, and that usually means taking apart the system and flushing out all the piping or changing it out.
Some systems have the pumps right on the drawer which means there is less distance between where the detergent exits and the reservoir, others like Mieles TwinDos have quite long pipes.
In general, under normal use of the system (once a week) and with minimal care, you shouldn't run into issues.
On the topic of oversudsing with automatic dosing: These systems usually need to be told a specific amount for a specific load.
Since US detergent manufacturers appear to be less keen on providing such information, most manufacturers just "guestimate" what to dose.
Thus, he might have just misadjusted the system.
Some suds are usually not a big issue, but as soon as a closed suds layer with a sufficient thickness (half an inch or more) forms it certainly is to much detergent.
That is as long as rinsing performance is still up to par.
Some detergents just suds more even with correct dosing yet still rinse away nicely.
New full-size GE combo
It looks like GE has a real hit on its hands, I just checked with my distributor. They have almost 500 back orders for this machine. They said 200 are coming in on Monday.
I’ve predicted for 30 years that full-size combos will come back. It makes absolutely no sense to have two machines to do one job,
I predict this machine will be a big hit throughout the world as people in Europe, etc. can finally have a combo that will do a decent size load in a decent amount of time with very low energy usage.
It will be interesting to see how fast whirlpool Electrolux Samsung and LG get on the ball and start building machines that people want.
John
It looks like GE has a real hit on its hands, I just checked with my distributor. They have almost 500 back orders for this machine. They said 200 are coming in on Monday.
I’ve predicted for 30 years that full-size combos will come back. It makes absolutely no sense to have two machines to do one job,
I predict this machine will be a big hit throughout the world as people in Europe, etc. can finally have a combo that will do a decent size load in a decent amount of time with very low energy usage.
It will be interesting to see how fast whirlpool Electrolux Samsung and LG get on the ball and start building machines that people want.
John
This machine is more than 71 centimeters wide and more than 81 centimeters deep. That footprint makes it way too big for European households.
John, I just don`t see this combo to become a huge success in Europe. I even have my doubts it will ever make it on the market over here.
First of all there`s not that much need for a full size washer-dryer like in the US.
Most nations in the EU have a tradition to use duvet covers which are changed as frequently as sheets and pillow cases. So comforters get washed less frequently than in the US.
Those who still prefer double sheets are mostly southern nations that get away with rather thin blankets. Again not much need for uber sized laundry machines.
Next thing is our love for rather small standardized appliance cabinets.
If you live in small city apartment where every square inch is precious the first option would be to stack a dryer on a washer. If this is impossible you`d either hang dry your clothes (still a very popular method to dry clothes in Europe) or go with a standard sized combo which might fit under a kitchen countertop or in a small corner in the bathroom.
If you have a bigger home where let`s say the washer would be located in the basement there`s no need for a combo. A combo is always a compromise compared to two separate machines.
And let`s not forget those who don`t have wide enough staircases or door frames to go above our standard cabinet sizes.
First of all there`s not that much need for a full size washer-dryer like in the US.
Most nations in the EU have a tradition to use duvet covers which are changed as frequently as sheets and pillow cases. So comforters get washed less frequently than in the US.
Those who still prefer double sheets are mostly southern nations that get away with rather thin blankets. Again not much need for uber sized laundry machines.
Next thing is our love for rather small standardized appliance cabinets.
If you live in small city apartment where every square inch is precious the first option would be to stack a dryer on a washer. If this is impossible you`d either hang dry your clothes (still a very popular method to dry clothes in Europe) or go with a standard sized combo which might fit under a kitchen countertop or in a small corner in the bathroom.
If you have a bigger home where let`s say the washer would be located in the basement there`s no need for a combo. A combo is always a compromise compared to two separate machines.
And let`s not forget those who don`t have wide enough staircases or door frames to go above our standard cabinet sizes.
Louis you got right to the point while I was still typing my post. LOL
I do think a similar design (standard size, just taller) is the way to true and good heat pump washer dryers.
Certainly not all, but I do think that many that do need a washer dryer have 10cm of additional head room.
But, for the EU market, you really need to stay with 60cm width and not much more than 65cm of depth at max.
Certainly not all, but I do think that many that do need a washer dryer have 10cm of additional head room.
But, for the EU market, you really need to stay with 60cm width and not much more than 65cm of depth at max.
