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LG & Samsung are both launching their equivalents, being showcased at IFA 2023.

Both rated 25kg wash and 13kg dry capacity, and seem to have a similar set up to the GE - taller units with I presume a heat pump on top.

Hopefully both of these will have heaters unlike the GE.

Jon
 
Samsung

Samsung Reveals BESPOKE AI™ Washer & Dryer Combo at IFA 2023
Korea on August 30, 2023

All-in-One Washer and Dryer powered by Digital Inverter Heat Pump Technology
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd. today unveiled the new BESPOKE AI™ Washer & Dryer Combo with Digital Inverter Heat Pump technology at IFA 2023, a major consumer electronics trade show in Berlin. The model eliminates the hassle of transferring laundry from washer to dryer and completes laundry loads in one step. It combines a 25kg large washing capacity with a 13kg heat pump drying capability and is backed by intelligent functions to give consumers more flexibility.

“Samsung’s first BESPOKE AI™ Washer & Dryer Combo with Digital Inverter Heat Pump technology not only makes doing laundry much easier by providing hassle-free load transfer, but it also saves space,” said Junhwa Lee, EVP and Head of the Customer Experience Team of the Digital Appliances Business at Samsung Electronics. “The laundry experience can now be more pleasant and easier, while also saving energy by AI Energy Mode in SmartThings Energy.”1

Saving Space With the New BESPOKE AI™ Washer & Dryer Combo
The model allows users to save space in their homes as it takes up less space than installing two machines since it can finish a full laundry cycle in one machine. Consumers who strive to get more utility out of their living spaces can take advantage of the free space for other uses. Its simple and flat BESPOKE design blends harmoniously with the home’s interior space as well as any other appliances and pieces of furniture.

Making Your Washing Easier
The features of the model and laundry cycles are designed to give users a more holistic and seamless experience. When consumers start the machine, they can control it more intuitively and select the course of washing and drying easily through the Wide LCD display. The display also shows informative reports at the end of the cycle for users’ reference.

With AI Wash,2 the BESPOKE AI™ Washer & Dryer Combo detects the weight, softness of the fabric3 in each load and the ongoing level of soiling based on the water turbidity to optimize the amount of water and detergent. Using this information it continually adjusts the soaking, rinsing and spinning time to achieve the best results quickly and efficiently.

Operating Automatic and Smart Functions
Samsung applies its advanced technologies to help users manage their machine efficiently. Once the cycle is completed, the door automatically opens so users can take out the laundry with less effort. It also lets out humid air and heat while bringing fresh air into the drum. The machine comes with Heat Exchanger Auto Cleaning System which effectively preserves the quality of the drying. It also supports AI Energy Mode in SmartThings Energy,4 offering smart energy savings.

Samsung will display its latest digital appliances lineup including the new BESPOKE AI™ Washer & Dryer Combo during IFA 2023, which starts on September 1st.


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LG

LG Offers One-Stop Laundry Solution With New Second-Gen LG SIGNATURE Washer-Dryer at IFA 2023

User-Friendly New Model Delivers Complete, Hassle-Free Laundry Experience

The new LG SIGNATURE Washer-Dryer with Heat Pump

SEOUL, Aug. 21, 2023 — LG Electronics (LG) is introducing the latest addition to its second-generation LG SIGNATURE lineup, the new Washer-Dryer with Heat Pump, at IFA 2023. Leveraging LG’s advanced heat pump technology, the new, space-efficient appliance delivers an effective washing and drying performance, gentle clothing care and an unparalleled one-stop laundry experience.

The stylish 27-inch Washer-Dryer with Heat Pump features LG SIGNATURE’s seamless, elegant design, and boasts ample room for getting clothes clean and dry with a 25-kg washing capacity, and 13-kg for drying. A genuine space-saver with a large capacity, LG’s washer-dryer also integrates the innovative TWINWash™ feature, a small washer located below the main drum that’s ideal for cleaning delicates or daily workout gear. The ability to wash and dry makes the company’s new all-in-one model especially suitable for homes and apartments where space is at a premium, and responds to the call from many consumers for a laundry solution that saves both time and space.

A one-stop laundry solution, the LG SIGNATURE Washer-Dryer streamlines the user experience, providing intuitive ‘single touch’ control. Its AI-powered laundry and drying course detects fabric types and load size, as well as the presence of residual moisture, automatically applying the optimal settings for the best washing and drying results. Conveniently, the drying process begins as soon as the washing cycle has concluded, reducing operation time. This level of automation means users can spend less time doing the laundry and more time doing the things they love.

LG’s innovative, new appliance employs the company’s own inverter heat pump drying module to significantly reduce drying times and maximize energy efficiency. And thanks to 6 Motion™ AI Direct Drive technology, the washer-dryer also intelligently optimizes drying performance and minimizes fabric damage for each and every load.

The company’s new combination washer and dryer further enhances ease of use with a range of thoughtfully applied smart features. The appliance’s smart touch door and voice recognition capabilities, for example, allow users to turn on the machine and open its door with practically no effort at all. They can also use voice commands to set the washing or drying cycle, while the washing machine itself can verbally update users on the status of their laundry. Moreover, the LG SIGNATURE Washer-Dryer’s bright, seven-inch LCD display provides easy control of features and settings, and gives users access to any new cycles they’ve downloaded via the ThinQ app.

“The LG SIGNATURE Washer-Dryer with Heat Pump is an advanced, all-in-one package offering space efficiency and time-saving automation together with a top-notch performance,” said Lyu Jae-cheol, president of LG Electronics Home Appliance & Air Solution Company. “Aligned with LG SIGNATURE’s new brand theme, ‘Live beyond.’, which is all about presenting solutions that help consumers live their ideal life, we will continue to introduce innovations that go beyond expectations and make everyday life more convenient.”

LG will be showcasing its latest home appliances, including the new second-generation LG SIGNATURE Washer-Dryer with Heat Pump, at its exhibition booth (Hall 18, Messe Berlin) at IFA 2023 in Berlin, Germany, from September 1-5.

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User-Friendly New Model Delivers Complete, Hassle-Free Laundry Experience SEOUL, Aug. 21, 2023 — LG Electronics (LG) is introducing the latest addition to its second-generation LG SIGNATURE lineup, th
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Key word is inverter

I was - as stated - surprised to see a single speed compressor in the GE combo.

You can build outstanding heat pump dryers with single speed compressors.
But a combo is inherently a less than optimal situation for drying (air ducting is sub optimal, filters could be bigger etc. etc.).

Having the possibility to vary power levels can compensate for that.

I wouldn't be surprised if people find that the Samsung and LG offerings dry similarly fast or faster and slightly cooler, especially with larger loads.
 
Do you mean the Mexican one? That's a regular one the way they have been around for ages.

It was purely to what a residential 55 lbs washer looks like - turns out you already have them.
 
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Update: It DOES use an inverter compressor

This guy now says that it has a compressor inverter, but I am almost 100% sure that some video before showed the compressor sticker, and that model number led to a single speed LG compressor.
But for the life of me can't find the shot I got the compressor model number from.

I wouldn't be surprised that that inverter is a fan inverter.

GEs parts diagram lists it as an inverter, but not as to what for.

Edit:

I found my previous mistake!
LGs nomenclature is somewhat weird in that regard, and it does indeed use an inverter compressor.

Still can't find the shot that showed the compressor number in the videos, but found the following LG compressor number in my search history:
FLB075LBNA

The A in the end codes the control type as "A-control".
Which made me think it was a single speed.

But, I found another listing that shows the full spec tag of such a compressor, and it appears LGs uses some weird control scheme.
It says it is an Inverter compressor, but lists a variable voltage of 0 to 220V at a single frequency of 53Hz.
This could mean - since the F in the beginning means it's a linear compressor - it uses some weird mixture of voltage and wave form modification for power control.

So this might actually have variable compressor power after all.

Sorry for the mistake.[this post was last edited: 9/9/2023-09:55]
 
GE’s new combination washer dryer

Reply number 110, hi Pete, thanks for posting this video. This guy is probably a good repairman video. It’s not near as bad as the other one where the guy did a teardown on it

But as with so much stuff on the Internet, it’s not a very useful video, the guy has so much miss information it’s not funny and too little useful information, he makes comments like the board looks really expensive or why don’t you look up the cost of it, and the compressor is the least troublesome part of just about any appliance that uses compressors today why he would worry about something that he’s never seen fail is beyond me.

His thoughts that this is going to be a difficult product to repair and troublesome and you should buy a service contract. I wouldn’t trust any repair person that recommends a service contract on a product

Apparently it does have an inverter in it for the compressor and it also has a water heater for heating the water,

I have one of these on order that we will do some testing on when it comes in. I think it’s going to be a very successful product. I hope several other companies will follow suit quickly.

As I stated before I think this will become a huge product all over the world, including throughout Europe. It takes up a lot less space than two separate machines. Yes, it won’t fit where people currently have a washing machine in their kitchen in the UK , however for new housing apartments etc. the space can easily be found for this one very versatile energy efficient machine

John
 
And now I know why I am completely wrong

So, it was this video I got the compressor footage from:



Turns out he just spliced in some footage of a fridge and just showed the compressor.
That's where I got the number from.

So sorry for missing that details.

Research continues!
 
I "think" I found it

I'm off of work currently, so I have time to digg into that kind of stuff.

Looking at the 2 tear down videos, you can actually see it is a Highly branded Hitachi compressor.

You can see the last 9 model number digits:
04SD-H5ET
And it clearly says R134a.

Together with this pdf, you can gather some information:
https://www.philexi.com/down-load/Highly-rotary-compressor-catalogue.pdf

It appears it's a medium efficiency, inverter compressor.

The pdf does list a single speed R134a compressor with a matching name (BSA804SV).
It's dimensions and ratings would approximately match the compressor and application, the V instead of D just indicates a specific voltage and frequency, with D being a type of DC inverter application.

If you assume it is an BSA804SD and search for it, this is a pdf if its performance characteristics:
https://ries-gmbh.de/produkt/rotary...d/?attachment_id=8460&download_file=241900179
Under assumed conditions (70C condensing temp to get a 50C+ hot air temp and a 15C condensing temp) that heatpump can move something like 1500-2000W of heat, which matches just about what EU heat pump dryers manage.
 
John

For this machine to get a market share, they should put in a heater first. Although boil washes are seldom done anymore, every machine still has the option to do so. An Indesit that didn't have the option was a disaster for the sales figures.

I already mentioned the foot print. A lot of houses has been built in the last few decades here, so this combo will not fit there. More housing will be built, but it's expensive to build here, so every square meter counts. No architect in his right mind will design a bigger bathroom in order to make room for a combo that is way too big for our standards.

And then the price. $2,777.- is a lot of money. Given the fact that GE doesn't have a distribution netword in Europe for household appliances (nor in a lot of other markets), means it will be more expensive here. At least €3,000.- or more. Noone is going to fork out that amount of money for a machine from an unknown brand with no service network that is way too big while you can have a decent washing machine and heat pump dryer (with the option to stack it) for around €1,200.-.

Actually I doubt that GE will try and market it here.
 
New GE heat pump combination washer dryers

Hi Louis I don’t know what plans GE has, however, one of the reasons payer bought General Electric was to get their foot in the door with bigger appliances and they had their eye on the European market. I don’t know how that’ll pan out.

I’m sure they would have to add a heater, and of course make it 220 or 240 V etc. anyway apparently according to the last teardown video this machine actually does have a water heater in it but in any case all front load washers, either have a heater or have the capability of having one easily.

In any case a larger machine would be a big hit for anybody anywhere, the ability to be able to wash and dry, much larger items and loads is always a plus and machines worldwide are generally getting larger not smaller, including refrigeration.

John
 

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