Yes, it spun after the wash, did the 1st rinse, drained... and filled for the softening rinse. The model was a WFW97HEDC.
GE washer rinse cycle
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Mark,
You raise a good point - US washers run on 110V.
For decades, European Dishwashers and Washers on the high-end offered the option of running either at 10 or 16 amps (I should say running 'on' those fused circuits) at 220/230/240 Volts or running at 3φ.
Given how widespread 208/220/240 circuits are in laundry rooms in the US, I wonder if we shouldn't make that an option. It would enable real water heating in reasonable time-frames. As Laundress has reminded us many times over the year, you can trade (to some extent) heat for time, water volume for detergent efficacy, agitation for soaking, etc. to achieve the same results. Within limits.
I still can't help but feel all the HE TL problems are insurmountable. If we want to talk about low water and energy use, then TLs in the traditional style just don't come close to good HE FLs.
You raise a good point - US washers run on 110V.
For decades, European Dishwashers and Washers on the high-end offered the option of running either at 10 or 16 amps (I should say running 'on' those fused circuits) at 220/230/240 Volts or running at 3φ.
Given how widespread 208/220/240 circuits are in laundry rooms in the US, I wonder if we shouldn't make that an option. It would enable real water heating in reasonable time-frames. As Laundress has reminded us many times over the year, you can trade (to some extent) heat for time, water volume for detergent efficacy, agitation for soaking, etc. to achieve the same results. Within limits.
I still can't help but feel all the HE TL problems are insurmountable. If we want to talk about low water and energy use, then TLs in the traditional style just don't come close to good HE FLs.
mark_wpduet
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@ Logixx
I hope that this only happened in the NORMAL cycle and doesn't necessarily happen in other cycles....
Panthera - I guess if someone was desperate they could unplug the dryer, plug the washer into that outlet, and when the washer is done, plug the dryer back in, for a euro washer of course. I've always wondered why only the dryer here can be 220 and not the washer. But whatever..who knows. It probably is all the years of traditional TL washers.....there may have been no need. Maybe now there is? LOL
I hope that this only happened in the NORMAL cycle and doesn't necessarily happen in other cycles....
Panthera - I guess if someone was desperate they could unplug the dryer, plug the washer into that outlet, and when the washer is done, plug the dryer back in, for a euro washer of course. I've always wondered why only the dryer here can be 220 and not the washer. But whatever..who knows. It probably is all the years of traditional TL washers.....there may have been no need. Maybe now there is? LOL
Yes, it was only the Normal cycle that did the 1.5 rinses on its default setting.
As for 240V washers in the US: since dryers can pull up to 5.5 kW of power, I would use that potential for the washer. Since every manufacturer is (once again) talking about smart and connected appliances, I would have the washer communicate with the dryer and delay the start of the drying cycle, until the washer has finished heating and maybe briefly switch the dryer to Air Dry, if the washer needs to reheat. That, or the dryer could run only one element, while the washer heats and add the second one, once heating has finished.
As for 240V washers in the US: since dryers can pull up to 5.5 kW of power, I would use that potential for the washer. Since every manufacturer is (once again) talking about smart and connected appliances, I would have the washer communicate with the dryer and delay the start of the drying cycle, until the washer has finished heating and maybe briefly switch the dryer to Air Dry, if the washer needs to reheat. That, or the dryer could run only one element, while the washer heats and add the second one, once heating has finished.
logixx
Actually, given that the dryer circuit is usually 30 amps, there shouldn't even be a problem for both to run at the same time.
Of course, the main problem here is not the American housewife - she'd love to have clean clothes like her mother/grandmother did.
It's the stupid government. Worse in a lot of ways than the idiots who threw parties in Erichs Lampenladen....
Actually, given that the dryer circuit is usually 30 amps, there shouldn't even be a problem for both to run at the same time.
Of course, the main problem here is not the American housewife - she'd love to have clean clothes like her mother/grandmother did.
It's the stupid government. Worse in a lot of ways than the idiots who threw parties in Erichs Lampenladen....
I`m still in the dark about the GE in the original post.
So there`s no spin after the wash to save another gallon of water ?
So there`s no spin after the wash to save another gallon of water ?
The washer can be 240 volts, nothing in the code stops and electrician from bring in an extra 15 or 20amp 240 volt receptacle. However existing installations, and gas dryers, keep 120 volt machines in production.
As for the washer, it has no spin for some odd reason. It is a very, very poorly thought out washer. I am just as surprised as you, if not more. The ropers at least seem to spin before rinsing.
As for the washer, it has no spin for some odd reason. It is a very, very poorly thought out washer. I am just as surprised as you, if not more. The ropers at least seem to spin before rinsing.
How a washer should rinse
GE could learn from the experts:
GE could learn from the experts:
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You have got to be kidding!!!……That rinse is even worse than the part full rinse! It's nothing more than a spray rinse. Who wants their clothes or bed linens & such full of soap? Not me!
IMHO
The spray rinse is more effective for regular clothes, however the comforter needs a deep rinse no matter what.
The spray rinse is more effective for regular clothes, however the comforter needs a deep rinse no matter what.
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I cannot imagine using a washer that simply spray rinses the clothes. That would be completely uneven and many things would never get rinsed. That is also why I bought a front load machine that will at least rinse things properly and up to 3 extra rinses. I have watched it do this and it may not use a lot of water washing or rinsing, but it DOES submerge the clothes and they DO get clean and rinsed, which is much more than I can say for top loaders that spray rinse clothes. It's a shame that the government feels the need to get so involved on conserving water. I think it is fine to suggest what people should do to conserve, but to force manufacturers to make their machines sub standard to do so is just wrong. They are forcing everyone to go to a front loading machine, which is not a bad idea. Much better than a top loader trying to use the same amount of water that a front loader uses, which is impossible.
Id agree, but good news being that the Heavy Duty and delicate cycle have a deep rinse. The normal eco is simply to fulfill DOE requirements.
Actually,
a properly set up spray rinse can rinse just as well (if not better) than a normal deep rinse.
The problem is, you'd end up using quite a fair bit more water than the 1/2 teaspoon they throw in now.
This water saving bullshit is just not leading to clean clothes.
a properly set up spray rinse can rinse just as well (if not better) than a normal deep rinse.
The problem is, you'd end up using quite a fair bit more water than the 1/2 teaspoon they throw in now.
This water saving bullshit is just not leading to clean clothes.
IIRC a vintage Which? edition posted here on AW found every FL better at rinsing than spray rinsing in a twintub. Even those terrible low end spin-pump Indesits where the pump was driven by the main motor did better.
Makes sense to me because fibers don`t get flexed much in a spray rinse. Just think of tie-dyeing.
On the other hand I think an additional spray in a traditional TL is absolutely beneficial.
Makes sense to me because fibers don`t get flexed much in a spray rinse. Just think of tie-dyeing.
On the other hand I think an additional spray in a traditional TL is absolutely beneficial.
What a shame!
This is why I will keep my 2000 GE until it breaks or get at least a decent front loader or even a speed queen! The eco police is out of control!
This is why I will keep my 2000 GE until it breaks or get at least a decent front loader or even a speed queen! The eco police is out of control!
My two "vintage" Fisher & Paykel toploaders have a shower-rinse option. Their spray flume is designed for it. Saturation showers at 25 RPM and 670 RPM extractions thoroughly soak and flush the load, followed by 1,010 RPM final spin. It's very effective for rinsing, although not recommended for loads that have particulate debris (sand, sawdust, pet hair).
GE washer crap
That GE washer is a piece of crap! I hope they get sued into the ground! Now that they're made by Haier, it's only gotten worse!
That GE washer is a piece of crap! I hope they get sued into the ground! Now that they're made by Haier, it's only gotten worse!
laundromat
If I had $400, I'd rather go to the laundromat just so I can have truly clean and dry clothes. I don't trust HE machines. Everything is stated above. Poor cleaning, long cycle times, etc. I don't trust any of them!
If I had $400, I'd rather go to the laundromat just so I can have truly clean and dry clothes. I don't trust HE machines. Everything is stated above. Poor cleaning, long cycle times, etc. I don't trust any of them!
You know...
Look at what works Jerome. There is a reason why commercial, institutional and government are granted so many exceptions to the law. For example:
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-40/chapter-I/subchapter-C/part-85/subpart-R
Commercial machines have to respect a business which counts on no nonsense customer satisfaction, while residential simply seeks to secure a transaction through marketing psychology. And government has to work, period, as that is their duty.
Using my Sharp microwave I am finally grasping the reality that machines outside of residential simply work faster, perform their task better, last longer and are made to be repaired.
Look at what works Jerome. There is a reason why commercial, institutional and government are granted so many exceptions to the law. For example:
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-40/chapter-I/subchapter-C/part-85/subpart-R
Commercial machines have to respect a business which counts on no nonsense customer satisfaction, while residential simply seeks to secure a transaction through marketing psychology. And government has to work, period, as that is their duty.
Using my Sharp microwave I am finally grasping the reality that machines outside of residential simply work faster, perform their task better, last longer and are made to be repaired.
