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Flo,

Das war super. Danke!
Eau de Javel ist Klorbleiche. Diese Art Bleichmittel ist auch in kaltem Wasser genau so effektive als in 100C Wasser, stnkt und dampft aber nicht so sehr.

Flo put it perfectly. By the way, Chlorine bleach here in Munich at my dealer is 7%...yikes.
 
Strange how experiences can differ. I was always a big fan of 95C washing, but I am doing cold washes exclusively for many months now and I still don't have problems with smelly laundry or washer. My laundry is still clean and fresh. How long does it take to develop these symptoms?
 
maybe it depends....

...on the detergent you use and whether or not you leave the door on the washing machine slightly open for ventilation after using the machine?

One thing I miss about the current machine I've got is that 95C washes are no longer possible.
 
Well,
I'm using Neutral Color detergent (powder) and that works fine. However, when the box is empty I'll switch to Ecover concentrated liquid (it was on introduction offer so I thought to give it a try). See what happens...
 
Well...

unlike many Australians, I'm a warm water (or hotter) washer...front load machines with heaters almost encourage it (yippee)

BUT, when it comes to bleach, I don't use it at all....and have never had a smelly washing machine - EVER - and that includes leaving it for 3 years whilst overseas

...but then I don't use the 3 things that tend to aggravate smelly washer syndrome

- cool/cold washing
- liquid detergent
- fabric conditioner

So my machine never gets a change to get a buildup
 
Also depends on the tub....

If your machine has a plastic tub, bad smells will evolve faster. Stainless steel tubs are a big advantage in this case. Miele only uses stainless steel tubs over here.
 
Aha, I have a stainless tub so that may suppress the bad odours.

Plastic is also a good absorber of perfumes. I tried a strongly scented fabric softener long ago and the dispenser still gives off that smell more than a year later. Big mistake...
 
I saw this product at Ace Hardware last night - $14.99 for an 8 oz. bottle. It does state that you only need a couple of tablespoons per use and can even use it on your "smelly towels" by following the directions. The news story is actually from one of our local stations here, helping a woman rid her towels of "stank" in her.....direct drive Whirlpool washer!

The website is chock full of references to "smelly washers, smelly towels, smelly front load washers" etc. so it must be an epidemic. I've had a front-loading washer for years, from my first Bendix, Westinghouse and even the stingy-water Duet and have never, ever had an odor problem.

As far as the top loading washers go, I can see where some of these have troubles with the method of rinsing, draining, etc. that they use. Add to it cold water, hard water problems and improper detergent usage, etc. and you've got a biological horror show in the making.

http://www.smellywasher.com/
 
Never trust anything that bleeds for 5 days and doesn't

~P.S. - I bet you've never had someone's stoma bag burst on you whilst performing CPR on them

Well well.

My biggest fear/nightmare while pushing pumps-- er selling women's shoes-- to get through college was that someone would come in with a colostomy bag and say "Can I get some shoes to match my bag?"

I escaped that job relatively unscathed however. Well, if one were to look past the huge less-bionics with hairy legs and toe-jam, and the huge drag-queens trying to get into a size 10. (my biggest size-- er of shoe). I did quit however when one customer left behind a huge red stain on the seat cushion. Enough is enough. Can't you take 5 minutes to change what you have to and wash your hands BEFORE you come sit here to be served?

oh yes, Manhattan is colorful!
 
my 2 cents ... maybe 4 ;-))

1) Mold, bad smells and co.

I use liquids since the 80s, use FS but I never had any problem.
Ronhic's washer has a plastic outer tub, but he hasn't any issue too.
The secret maybe is this : both of us often run our machines @ 60°C or more.

I do agree with Flo/MrBoilwash about the "cold-wash-hype". It's a wrong way to be green. Launderess wrote hundred times : our body temp is 37°C so body oils can't be washed away properly with colder water

The right way is solar heated water to feed washers. Solar tanks never exceed 55°C/130°F so profile wash (enzyme phase) is possible. Don't you believe me? Check the piped vid : @ 4:40 you can see the main wash starting @ 40°C

2) Germ-o-phobia

Lee/Sudsmaster is right. "Trained" antibodies work better. When there is no germ to struggle, antibodies have odd behaviours AKA allergies. In the past many doctors prescribed antibiotics even when unnecessary (read flu - a virus, not a bacterium). The results are : more antibiotic-resistant bacteria (new antibiotics required) and more allergic people.

3) Hygienic laundry

Germ-o-phobic or not, all of us have germs/fungi in/on our bodies. Some of them are necessary, others are dangerous if too many. We have just to control their number. [Let's put a condom in the washer - sorry,can't resist LOL] Between cross-contamination and sterilization there's common sense. Common sense says that a pair of socks worn all day long in a hot day requires hot water or bleach. Probably is less evident that kitchen towels dirty of raw meat/fish/egg require very hot water or bleach (also cutting boards and knives)

 
Germs Growing In A Washing Machine

Am shocked. Shocked!

Have been saying this for years, and shall go on saying so, indeed if this house was on fire would stand on the roof top and shout it again: yes, there are "germs" on laundry and or growing inside one's washing machine. So what of it? There are also bacteria and god only knows growing all over every single surface you come into contact with, if you could see them you'd never feel safe in your own skin again. As have also stated, back in nursing school,one assignment in our Microbiology class was to swab and culture various surfaces around the school, and am here to tell you what grew in those petrie dishes was foul.

Aside from several very contagious diseases such as smallpox, no one in history has been greatly harmed much less killed by exposure to bacteria laden laundry. Yes, one hundred or even sixty or so years ago before the invention of antibiotics one could come down with an illness, and one supposes depending upon one's physical state that infection could lead to or hasten death, but that is not the case today.

Think of all the times persons break wind, sneeze, cough, pick their noses and god only knows what else in bed, and or wearing clothing. Not to mention sitting down on various surfaces. Each time one is picking up and carrying "germs" around that will sooner or later end up in one's home, and probably in one's laundry therefore in the washing machine.

Cleaning a washing machine to remove mould and germs is probably a good thing, in so far as that goes, but germs at least will be right back soon as the next load is washed. Moulds and mildew are VERY difficult to get out of enclosed spaces such as a washing machine because you can only "clean" where water in the tubs reach. Mould growing say around the inside of rubber boots on front loading washing machines isn't going to be touched by "boil" or "cleaning" washing no matter how often and with what chemicals are used. Water simply does not contact the surfaces enough for the saturation with heat and chemicals to do the job properly. Unless germ levels are knocked down to near nil, those remaining will quickly repopulate. Indeed they now may be stronger after having survived and even adapted to whatever chemical or method was used for cleaning.

There is also the fact that once germs, moulds and so forth start growing, soon they create what is known as a "biofilm". Basically a strong colony of bacteria and such that is very difficult to disloge. Again, unless one gets down to the bottom of this film and removes the entire group, the layers below remaining after "cleaning" will simply continue to reproduce.
 
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