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The NECode has required GFCI outlets or circuit breakers for certain vulnerable locations in all new wiring for quite a while now.

Of course a person can put one on every circuit in their home if you choose. It's money well spent.

More recent code changes now require Arc fault protection for most other circuits that are not already protected by a GFCI outlet or breaker.

Not only that but on many electric service poles outside homes, there are breakers that will trip in an emergency and some automatically reset themselves.

Since you're not familiar with such protective devices it might be a good idea to have an electrician visit your home to see what is needed to bring you home up to a safe standard.

If, for example, you still have a 1950 made 60 amp main panel with screw in fuses and typical unprotected circuits.... yeah, that is scary.

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Not a ground wire to be found. Double tapping is no doubt abundant. Panel outlet? lol.

I doubt this home even knows what a three prong outlet is. I think some of those fuse holes have quarters or nickles in them because the circuits kept blowing. That'll fix'm but good. lol.

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Tennessee has some of the cheapest electric rates in the country due to TVA.  I live within 60 miles of a nuclear power plant and within 200 miles of the newest nuclear reactor in the nation.  TVA runs three nuclear plants, many hydro dams, and several gas turbine plants.  I think there are still a few coal plants running but they are being decommissioned.  Even with our cheap electric rates, gas is still the cheapest way to go here.  Back in the 80's, our local gas company was giving away free gas water heaters if one would switch from electric....my parents and several of our neighbors did so.
 
AMKrayoGuy's Real Home on The Range!

All points conserved, if this gets off the ground, right down to 100% electfiying Detorit, and adequate back up preserves every currents' continuity, what will you do with all those gas appliances?

And of which Ithe only thing I'd miss, is in just my most preferred method of cooking, with which I enjoy after the hump of lighting that flame, the still-instant on, and easy use of...

-- Dave
 
Re: reply#37

Yes Rich, the gas meters to the dwellings may have auto shutoffs for seismic events. But what about the gas mains that run under the streets? Thats what caused massive explosion and destruction in San Bruno a few years back when a 50+ year old gas main failed. Blew up ALL those houses with the auto shutoffs.

Eddie
 
The grid in

the Detroit area as of now couldn't sustain a 100% electric use residential load.
A few have done it already.
Our winter electric bill's are about half as much as our winter gas bill's in the coldest months. We cook with gas and electric, heat and hot water are gas.
A gal in the Houston Texas area told us her average electric bills all year are about $400.00
per month!! She has gas heat, and hot water. That's crazy, but that's Texas, which is independant of the interstae grid.
 
As if electric grids arent over burdened already. They should be building more "clean" power plants ahead of all this demand they're now creating, but they wont. So when power goes out you're totally fcked unless you have a HUGE standby generator until they ban those. NO THANKS. I'll take my gas stove, gas hot water heater, and gas furnace any day. At least when power goes out im still able to cook and take a warm shower. And use my landline with old school Western Electric phone as a cordless is useless at that point. The tree huggers in this country need to hop a plane and start preaching to countries like China, Russia, India , etc about cleaning up their acts a hell of a lot more. I've seen so many Youtube videos of cottage industries over in this countries polluting like its still 1934 and Greta isnt waving her fist at them. Just Western culture.
 
Electric Use U.S.

Even though population is still growing in the U.S.
All those light bulbs that have been changed to LEDs. The TVs and computers that use LED screens, the improved insulation, all the outdated shopping malls now closed, etc.

It's adding up to significant savings.

Fortunately, we've also seen several nuclear power plants removed from threatening our safety as well.

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Nuclear power plants should have replaced coal and gas in the US years ago. sadly, most of the public is stuck on disasters such as Chernobyl. modern nuclear reactors are much safer than coal plants, and produce little to no waste, in contrast to coal plants which produce fly ash, a radioactive carcinogenic powder.

as for gas, my family uses both a gas water heater, heater, and stove. honestly, I'd take an induction stove over gas any day. our power is decently reliable here in beaverton, and rarely goes out for more than a few hours once a year.

Texas has a rather interesting power grid situation, one that massively failed this past winter when they were hit by a winter storm similar to one that hit them in 2011. they were told to winterize equipment in 2011 when a similar thing happened, but of course they didn't and that led to several deaths and massive rolling outages when they lost massive amounts of generation capacity due to frozen equipment.
 
Finland handling Nuclear Power

Finland is an example of how one country is handling power production. They have Nuclear Power and are building more. They also have planned for the disposal of the spent fuel. They want to phase out gas and coal since those are imported.

I do not have a concern about going all electric. In the 1960's many Medallion Homes were built in California that were all electric. One problem with gas is that as a fossil fuel we are running out, this is the reason for fracking.

We do need more electric power overall and a combination of wind, solar and nuclear is probably what will be used.

 
Oh, the irony

A few years ago Con Ed announced they would have to refuse new NG hookups in Westchester county citing lack of supply due to Cuomo blocking several new NG pipelines.

Cuomo then forced Con Ed to back down and accept new hookups anyway.

Now they have to build a 22,000 HP compressor station in West Milford N.J. to force more gas through existing pipelines into N.Y.

Not to be outdone the lunatics on the NYC council ban new NG hookup thus requiring even more NG and coal fired power generation.
 
Nuclear, like asbestos, cigarettes, Beta-max, the horse and buggy, 3G Networks, creosote soaked railroad ties, the early 1900s electric hair curling machine, and other products that served us, whether good or bad, are OVER.

Give them a happy send-off, let the investors get the tax write-offs; let it go and lets move FORWARD.

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Construction time and cost alone

Are some very good reasons why a solar farm is superior.

A solar farm can be up and running in a matter of months compare that to upwards of 10 YEARs for some ugly radioactive plant costing BILLIONS.

A solar farm can still be used for planting crops beneath the panel racks as it's been found that some plants actually do better with partial shade during the day. Nobody would be afraid to walk near or have a solar farm in their neighborhood. A dumpy radioactive plant is the place of horrors.

Solar farms don't explode and render entire cities unlivable. The very idea that some, money seeking contractors would even propose nuclear is totally insulting. Do they not realize the creep factor? Disgusting.

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We've a ban on oil-fired central heating (nationally, including in rural areas) in new build from 2022 and gas from 2025, most new build already doesn't have either of them as they would not meet Building Energy Regulation (BER) certification for "A rating" anyway.

There's currently no plan to phase out gas or oil in existing homes though, but there are a lot of incentives coming on stream to move to heat pumps and retrofit homes with better insulation. The modern boilers of both type are pretty efficient. Condensing boilers that recover a very high % of heat have been the norm for quite while, so you'll always see a plume of water vapour emanating from those systems as the flue gasses are very cool.

A lot of older homes here absolutely pathetic levels of insulation. The climate was never extreme enough to make them uncomfortable, so a lot of older houses tended to just use 'cavity walls' which are just a layer of block work - an air gap and an outer layer of brick (or blocks and plaster). The space between the two acted as an insulator, but not a particularly efficient one.

They can be easily retrofitted by drilling holes in the exterior and pumping in either foam or beads.

Very old homes are often just a thick layer of stone or brick without any significant insulation layers other than interior plaster.

Attic / roof insulation is also a relatively modern phenomenon - post 1960s anyway. Prior to that it was common that attics were just empty space without any insulation.

Then most older homes also had fireplaces in every room, with huge heat loss through chimneys, whether or not they were in use. Central heating radiators would typically have been retrofitted in the mid-20th century, but often without removing the fireplaces.

Central heating here, installed anytime before the 1980s was typically pressure-jet oil, burning kerosine/gasoil, including in urban areas as there was no natural gas until the 1970s. Fuel oils were generally never used in domestic heating here. Through the late 70s and 80s and into the 90s natural gas replaced those in cities and small towns, but pressure jet oil remained the de facto standard in rural areas, and took a long time to entirely disappear in urban areas too. Generally it's pretty clean burning though and you wouldn't notice any smell or smoke unless someone's drastically screwed up their burner tuning.

I know of several homes here that still have their original fireplaces in all the bedrooms - was common right up to 1920s and 30s construction.

Floors in older homes are typically suspended on joists over a shallow subfloor which is usually cross-ventilated with vents under the house. Concrete ground floors only became more common in the 1980s. Some houses have concrete floors in the kitchen / utility and suspended floors everywhere else.

Wood frame construction here is still not very popular, largely because of the damp climate. There's been a general history of wood rotting quite easily, so the preference is still for masonry construction, although that's slightly changing in recent decades as wood frame technology has improved.

Homes built in the 20th century (right up to the introduction of complex heat recovery ventilation in the 2000s) also tended to have passive ventilators - which are just literally straight through the wall vents in every room with a 5" duct and mesh and louvers on each end. Those are now increasingly replaced with heat-recovery packs.

Trickle vents in windows are also normally installed - they're a slot at the top of each window - with an closable louver/cover. However, it just means your average Irish one is far, far from 'airtight'

Newer buildings also have a lot of radon countermeasures in place - barriers, sumps, gravel barriers, flue stacks from sumps, and so on as many areas here are granite rock and have a risk, particularly where a building might be recirculating a lot of air or not very well ventilated.

So in general, without deep retrofits of insulation a lot of older homes are totally unsuited to heat pump approaches to heating as they're astronomically expensive to run without it. So we'll probably still have gas boilers running for a long time yet.

But we've a LOOONG way to go before we'll get every building in the country up to high efficiency mode.
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In Hollywood movie Ireland - they’re everywhere.. In reality, very very few other than themed pubs and some rural heritage buildings. Thatch hasn’t been a feature of urban architecture (even small towns) since the 1600s. Dark grey or black slate roofs would be the most traditional finish. You might have seen more of them in the countryside, but before the 1950s and 60s.

Seems there’s possibly as few as 1000 thatched roofs left in Ireland, most of which would be just preservation projects or themed buildings or someone looking for something a bit different. It’s an extremely complicated, time consuming, expensive and impractical form of roofing and I’m sure you’d pay an absolute fortune to get an artisanal thatcher to maintain it - you’re talking tens of thousands just to redo the thatch - and that’s every 10 years on a small cottage. Also seems there’s a 7 year waiting list to get a professional thatcher!! You can kinda see why it’s not too popular lol

Most older buildings are brick, stone and slate. Still materials used in modern buildings, but you also get a lot of plastered, painted finishes on houses certainly going back to the early 1800s - often very colourful.

The one finish that absolutely does not work here is external wood / clapboards - they just disintegrate due to the climate. It’s way too damp for it and most exterior wood, no matter how you treat it or paint it, tends to turn into a maintenance nightmare and just rots. Even on normal roofing moss is a huge issue. You have to be really careful to avoid certain finishes like exposed plaster or certain types of bricks / very smooth finishes like exposed concrete, as they’ll just turn green and mossy. Even big glass panels on balconies and so on can just start turning green and need a lot of pressure jetting.
 
It sounds like Ireland deals with the same humidity issues that Florida has. Houses, vehicles, and other structures need to be regularly cleaned with anti-bacterial cleaners to keep the mold and mildew under control. But Ireland is a bit cooler, if I'm not mistaken.

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If one wants the interesting look of thatch you could apply a standard reliable roof like metal, then apply (fake) thatch over it for looks. Don't know how well this would go over in say New York or Ohio for example, but hey...


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It’s a lot cooler. More like parts of the Pacific Northwest, only not continental and it’s kept milder by the Gulf Stream - so more temperate.

A very hot day in summer is about 26°C (78°F) - typically about 21°C / 70°F. Absolutely record high is 33.3°C / 91°F … in winter you only very rarely get frost in coastal areas (where most people live). We’re looking at 10°C / 50°F on Christmas Day. Snow isn’t very common, and when it happens it’s usually more of a light dusting. You can get fairly cool summers though where it doesn’t really have much heat at all, which is probably why most of the country heads off to the Mediterranean once or twice a year lol

You can get cooler snaps, but usually nothing too dramatic.

It’s a very different kind of humidity to Florida though. Cool / moderate and humid. Tends to cause growth of moss and big fungi like mushrooms more than moulds and the lawn, certainly in the south coast, continues to grow until about late November - also why you’ve basically 100% grass fed milk etc.

The other big difference is latitude. We’re as far north as Edmonton in Alberta, but much milder due to the oceanic effect. However, it still means very long summer days abs fairly short days in mid winter. Sunset is about 4pm today for example and sunrise just before 9am. In mid summer it’s still twilight until 11pm. That tends to drive our seasons more than big shifts in temp.

To get back to the thread though, that also drives energy consumption patterns - we tend to use moderate amounts of heating for a lot of the year, but on the other side air conditioning is totally unnecessary.
 
It's nice to have a mild winter.

Dehumidifiers must be mandatory? Explains why whenever I see abandoned housing in Ireland it's frequently covered in mold and moss.
 

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