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You've all seen the commercial.

While our Canadian system isn't perfect I think it's one of the best. It's amazing to see the spin put out in US tv ads. Like the Canadian woman tv ad who says she found she had a tumour and was told she'd have to wait possibly 6 months to have it operated on so she went to the US to have it removed. All true and made to sound like she would have been dead had she not.. Well the truth about her is that her tumor was non-malignant and she knew that or whatever the terminology for it is,, not terminal anyways so she had to wait, big deal, so that others who did have terminal tumors could have them removed before her. She had to wait 3 months regardless in the US to get it removed and it ended up costing her either $75,000 or $95,0000 for the operation which she can't afford, had to borrow or something to pay so now she's trying to sue the Ontario govt. LOL
More lies about the Cdn system..
You can't pick your own doctor. Of course you can and do pick your own doctor in Canda, moreso than most people in the US who cannot pick their own doctor because they have to go with a listed provider. Those without insurance in the US can hardly go doctor shopping either.
 
Big insurace scam:

I believe what is meant by that is it makes the insurance companies TONS of money.

PeterH- Is your beloved Republican party EVER wrong in your view? :-)

Is there ever a time when the good of the nation and the people comes before party affiliations and ideologies? I say both American potlitical parties have HUGE and glaring flaws.

Unless I'm totally daft, one of the most effective ways to limit healthcare costs is to limit wages and salaries. Herein lies the fears of reduced quality of helthcare, and the tremendous resistance (by those receiving those salaries) to do so.
 
It isn't all just a big insurance scam, it's also because health care and hospitals in the US are run "for profit" and to make money for the shareholders. The more they can sell to the sick the better. Give them an expensive MRI when a simple inexpensive X-ray may be all that's needed and sometimes even better. Look at all the expensive TV and radio ads hospitals pay for. On all the Detroit tv and radio channels there's an ad for a hospital running every few minutes telling you why they're the best hospital and why you should go there first.
That doesn't happen in Canada because "for profit" hospitals are illegal.
 
One of the things that makes me crazy is how the drug manufacturers pour hundreds of millions of dollars into television and every other type of advertising every year.
Its no wonder the cost of drugs is through the roof!

It would be nice if they spent all that money on research, but then, theres no profit in a cure.
 
What I've seen of some of the debate and rhetoric of the recent months, I liken to the "dumbing down" of America. The incredible stupidity that has been flying back and forth from all angles has simply amazed me. DEATH PANELS???? Please, give me a freaking break. Socialized medicine??? How? Medicare isn't socialized medicine, Medicaid isn't socialized medicine, and a government option isn't socialized medicine. They're insurance plans; only their funding sources differ. Our system remains a private one. Doctors do not work for the government, and hospitals can be non-profit or for profit, as they choose, not governement entities. And it's not going to change. (Except in the case of community or public hospitals.)

We already have rationed care, for those who don't know it....or as your insurance company may call it "managed care". After all, it is up to your insurer to determine exactly what they will and will not pay for. Tough crap if you or your doctor doesn't agree with them. There are no regulations that can force them to do so. If it costs you your life, oh well...too bad. It wasn't medically necessary!

There is a huge problem in a country like the US where such a large number of its citizens have zero medical coverage, whether they be middle class or the working poor doesn't matter. But there is a huge disconnect here that needs serious attention. I'm sure the Republican solution is a tax credit...and that won't cost us anything, right? Do the Republicans have a solution? I haven't heard much of one, though it would be nice if they would participate in this and achieve a true bi-partisan bill.

Of course, insurance companies are clammoring to have access to that uninsured market now, since it means that they have the opportunity to profit. Does anyone find it odd how insurance companies were able to promise universal coverage which basically does not exclude pre-existing conditions? Does that kind of sound like maybe they've been taking us for a ride all these years?

Seniors are mostly concerned about themselves and their medicare benefits, which one can certainly understand. But here's a wake up call grandma and grandpa....it's those working class fools who pay your social security and medicare benefits. You might want to make sure they stay healthy enough to keep on working and paying those SS and Medicare taxes that funds your retirement.

It has amazed me that here in 2009, people have such small minds and base mentalities. I'd have to laugh at some of it if it wasn't for the fact that it's just not funny. It's sad. And it's mostly courtesy of our REPUBLICAN party and even a small number of insurance companies. It's funny how they claim that this plan with cost "billions and billions" of dollars, yet they have no problem spending obscene amounts of money on smear campaigns. I guess we can see where the priorities lie........
 
The Republican's want me to Die...

That's it in a nutshell. Me and millions like me who are uninsured and have preexisting conditions. I dropped my Ins. when it hit $560/mo with no scrip coverage. I shopped around but was refused. I CAN get insurance from the supposed nonprofit insurer of last resort in MI BCBS - for $1500/mo. - that is certainly affordable.

It's sad, the hatred that many have toward Obama is now being reflected in me. I have unbridled hatred toward Republicans and insurance companies, one and all. In my mind if you are an R or an Insurance Co. you can drop dead. I would not shed a tear. A plague on both your houses!
 
All need to stop and Think for a min..

Being involved in Healthcare for many many years and seeing many changes over the years. There is one major thing no one here has bother to address.
just how do you think a already overburden system is going to handle 3 or 4 X the people.. DING DING DING< IT CANNOT!
You think it is hard to get a dr to see you now.. just wait.. It will take weeks to get scheduled.. And there will be only emergency surgery, as all there will be no beds to put anyone else. It will take years and years to get enough DRs. and hospitals to handle the volume.. There is already massive shortage of Drs, nurses and hospital beds, Ers are being shut down to any paitents for 24 hour periods just to handle the backlog. There has been many times in the last year here that the hospitals have shut the ERs down and paitents had to go to Dallas, Denton, and even some had to go to Waco. Drs already are stopping new patients as they cannot handle the loads.Surgery schedules are booked to the max now. Just how do you think this system is going to be able to handle the massive volume. Hospital and Healthcare prices WILL increase at a rate you will not ever be able to guess.. THINK ABOUT IT!!!!
 
So do these people....

....just have to curl up their toes and die then?

From what I can gather, about 10% of the US population have no cover at all...that's about 30million people....or about 1 1/3 times our ENTIRE population....

BUT...that is not 3 or 4 times the people there currently are, more likely to be an increase of 10-15%....
 
I pray everday that health reform legislation passes. I think there is a very high % of americans over the age of 50, that have the means to start a new business or work part time. I also think many feel held hostage by employer based health care. If this reform passes, i truly beleive many will change/quit jobs that they dislike. Employer provided Health insurance is a mighty power, over an employee, especially in the 50 to 65 age range. If you could get affordable health insurance some people would leave the work place and some jobs would open up.
 
the 10 to 15 % wil come as more and more get coverage

As a matter of fact a lot will just curl up and die! they will not be able to get the drs or medical service they need. AND that IS the problem.. People that can get help now will not be able to get it beacuse of the sheer numbers. Almost over night the number will be double or triple. the 10 to 15 % will come in time but the direct hit is going to be mind blowing. There will be those that WILL die waiting.
 
The Republican mantra about the proposed costs is laughable.

This is the party that brought us a $TRILLION (and growing) invasion and occupation of Iraq (as if the Iraqis' are ever going to care for us------feel the love?) and turned their backs so the financial (just to mention one) institutions could run amok. There didn't seem to be too much concern for that.

Where were the "Tea Parties" in 2003?
I would say that the "sales" job (based on lies) the Bush administration did to get us into Iraq is proving to have devasted our economy. For what? We already knew the real threat of Al Qaida is in Afghanistan. It is/was really---- all about the oil.

So they can save all their screaming about what the projected costs of health care for OUR citizens is.
This time it is about US!

Imagine how much more productive our workforce could be with more healthy people in the workplace! Enough already, with all the defeatist attitude!

Yes, there will be kinks to work out. However SOMETHING----ANYTHING, is better than nothing at all!!!!!!!
 
"PeterH- Is your beloved Republican party EVER wrong in your view?"

No, they are frequently wrong. But when you compare which party stands more consistently on the side of smaller government intrusion into your life, more individual responsibility and pro-business, the Republicans are the best thing we have. If you are looking for a nanny state where the government is going to take care of it all for you, if you think freedom means that if you don't have to worry about anything because the government is going to take care of it, then go Democrat. At least they are honest and transparent in letting you know that they want to completely control you to keep them in office.
 
Thanks for the feedback!

Perhaps both parties need to move more to the center and leave the extremes of left and right.

Personally I say we should cut back all spending outside of this country by 10% each year, (until it is zero) lock our borders and let the rest of the world kill each other over racism, ethno-centrism, political and religious ideologies and other hatreds as they have for centuries.

My view is ridiculous and overly simplistic, but dreaming is free, right?

We have plenty to do here in terms of infrastructure, education, crime and drug eradication. Let's spend our money on ourselves and let the world do what it wants to do.

Yes we should also allow the free-market to reign to some degree, but not completely unregualted as we saw in the last 8 years.

And lastly (since my post is rambling all over the place).... Put a GD photvoltiac solar panel on every roof in the country to generate electricity and stop buying foreign oil. Why give money to those who hate us and bomb us? You will never ever change their mentality. So work with it (meaning knowing it will never change) not against it.

Rant over!
 
HELL NO!

As I gave someone rather point-blank stern advice in another thread--(sorry i was raggin' that day)can't do that until I take my own advice and learn to watch my mouth, make my thoughts more fluid and flexible and manage WELL my own life.

But thanks for your vote! LOL
 
"Unless I'm totally daft, one of the most effective ways to limit healthcare costs is to limit wages and salaries. Herein lies the fears of reduced quality of helthcare, and the tremendous resistance (by those receiving those salaries) to do so. "

Toggles, I have to disagree with you here. I have worked in the medical field, both human and animal, for over 22 years. I have no problem with doctors, nurses, and other health care personnel being well compensated. Just as I don't mind engineers, architects, and other professionals making big salaries. They went to school, often for many years, to get their expertise. If they are good at what they do, then they have the potential to earn a large salary, and thus will continue to strive for excellence in their chosen field as well as attract other people into that field to carry on in the future. (As an aside, I still think the great thing about America is that you don't have to get a college education to prosper or even "make it big" in business.)

While some doctors, notably specialists, make big salaries, one significant part of the high costs of health care is the result of malpractice insurance and the fear of being sued. Because of malpractice fears, most doctors and hospitals tend to run more diagnostic tests than may be required for a given situation. There have been cases where people have died during routine procedures and even though basic lab work was run, lawsuits have been filed claiming that "if the doctor would have done this test and that test, this patient wouldn't have died." The result is a lot of tests being run that might not be useful or necessary for a certain patient. Lets face it, no matter how simple a procedure is, no matter how much lab work is run, no matter how skilled the medical staff is, someone somewhere is going to die during the procedure due to a hidden condition or for unexplained reasons. Every person's body is different in its sensitivities. The doctor and hospital might be cleared in court (if the case is not settled out of court), but they still have to pay the legal costs for their defense. Or rather, their malpractice insurance has to pay. Malpractice premiums can be outrageous depending on a doctor's specialty.

I know that malpractice issues are only one part of the problem (and my dialogue above is overly simplistic), but it is a significant part. There needs to be quite a bit of reform in this industry, including insurance and legal reforms.

Also, drugs are pretty expensive. It can cost over $500 million to develop a drug and get it approved by the FDA. The FDA has stringent guidelines for proving the safety and efficacy of a drug and it costs a lot of money to research and test a drug to prove that it is safe and efficacious. Drug patents last about 20 years, after that point cheaper generics can become available. I don't have an answer for decreasing the costs associated with drug approval without compromising safety.
 
Didja know the major drug companies spend more money on television advertising than they do on research and development of new drugs.

For PeterH.. don't you have to wonder what other lies you're being fed when though when you see ads like the one I talked about way above about the "dying" Canadian woman who had to come to the US to get her tumor removed.

There was more to that ad as well I'd forgotten to mention and that was who paid to have it produced. It was the Koch Industries CEO Charles Koch, a giant US petro-chem industry very tied to the right

 
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Good points David!

Only surgical and pharmaceutical medicine is seen as legitimate in this country from the early days of the system of accreditations to separate the quacks from the legit.

Of course the family/entities involved in the accreditation process was/were making tons of money from those two areas of medicine they declared all outside of these ares "quackery"

There are so many areas of medicine that are underexplored and underfunded. Of course as it currenlty stands if there is no potential for huge profits it's not going to occur.
 
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