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hotpoint_42

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Hey people:
my washing machine is always switched on every day, i love washing at the highest temp possible as i feel it cleans much better. as you are all aware the electricty and gas in the uk has gone up again, so my bill is normally quite heavy. i have come down from washing at 95 too 75 for whites but all my colours are still washed at 60, expt for my delicate clothes which are washed on outerware 40. my machine is normally cramed to the top with washing. i want my clothes to be clean and safe. lots of underware tends to be mixed in with other washing ( i have quite a large family ) so to kill germs and bacteria just have to wash above 60. Help and i want to cut my wash times down aswell but i dont no how too, it sounds stuped but i cant help it. ? .
 
Thy "importing" the Brazilian know how...
until a few years ago, our washers had only cold water option.
Housekeepers would never think about using hot water until the first models with internal heater appeared.

I think you can do the same.

Even with internal heaters in 3 washers and a tankless heater installed two days ago, I still prefer using cold water for most of my laundry.
Sometimes I use hot water for the heavily soiled items.

Try it and you´ll see your clothes will be clean, spending much less energy.

Of course, to compensate the cold water, you should use the longest cycle available in your washer.
 
Don't

There are many ways with which we can become eco friendly but I personally feel that we don't have to become dirty to be eco. As long as your machine is full I personally see no harm in washing at 95 or 60 on a regular basis. I do at least 4 60+ washes a week and don't loose any sleep over it. as for washing times you should be able to do an easy care 60 which should take 1hourish which would od for your clothes only leaving towels requiring cottons length times.

I like your tumble drier I have the same one and find it wonderful.
 
My dryer is gteat. i have connected it strate to the waste so i never have to empty it, its fab, drys pretty quick aswell. the thing about easy care and minium iron programs is that my machine the does a final spin of 1200, were as the cottons does a 1600rpm. to select a seperate spin it takes around 10 mins, i dont wanner be faffing around changing programs lol. but thanks for ya help. can i mix underware with noraml clothes. there are 8 people live in my house hold, so u can guess the amount of washing there is. i want to keep wash times to a minium aswell.
 
Hi
Yes, why not, you can mix underware with normal washing. I wash white underwear with whites and coloured with coloured.It's a habit! LOL
i've got 6 people in my household so i know about how much laundry to be done, plus i have two extra peoples to do as for the past 3 months my grans having extension done so there washing is done at mine too.
 
Saving Energy :)

Personally I never really see the need to go above 60*c anymore, esspecially since weve had the Miele because it dosnt let the temperature drop during the cycle at all.

Alot of bacteria can be killed at 60c and the longer holding time of the water in the wash cycle helps this too. I tend to wash kitchen linen and towels seperatly on a Cottons 60c cycle, however every few washes I put them on a 75*c Cottons wash.

For coloured washing, and time saving I'd say use the Cottons 40c programme with the short option, this proves to give good results whilst not fading coloured washing too much as the temperature is low :)

If your worried about bacteria e.t.c maybe you should wash all underwear together and use the Hygiene programme

By the way, we have the same washer LOL!

Richard
 
Are you pushing the short button?

I pack my Miele full and run it on short all the time. A 60deg wash runs to about 1:12 and I never have any issues with things coming clean.

I cant remember the last time I've run a cycle without Short selected.

It sounds like you're over worried about germs unless you have someone who is incontinent in some way. The chemical action of the detergent and the time in the dryer should kill off most bugs. I get sparkling clean whites at 50-60deg and all colours are done at 40. Unless your dryer runs really cool, you're clothes would be spending at least 30 minutes at 50degs or so during the drying.
 
To correct the wrongful information given in this thread.

Bacteria is simply NOT killed NOR reduced in anyway at temperatures below 75*c.
We all make a fuss of cooking chicken well which means it reaches a temperature of more than 75degs but it seems some folk see no harm in washing toilet cleaning cloths at temps below 75 degrees.
Something I dont get???

Bacteria thrive in temperatures between 8*c and 63*c. This is what is known as the "Danger Zone" although the multiplication process of bacteria is at its strongest around 30/40 degrees.

Bacteria need 4 things to survive and multiply,

Food
Moisture
Heat
Time

This is why when you wash towels below 75*c they smell musty when used and they are damp.

The food comes from our bodies,
moisture as we dry ourselves,
time as we leave them hanging in the bathroom or crumpled in the basket
and the temperature will mostly be right for them to breed at room temp.

Of course the detergents mostly incorporate some kind of bacteria reducing action (my thought is that it reduces amounts of the food they need which slows down the breeding process) but heat generally is the only way we can reduce - (we cannot fully remove bacteria activity though) without resorting to other harsher chemicals and extreme heat/autoclaving.

Tumble drying will not remove bacteria either as it only heats to around 50/60 dges or so thus not providing an environment out of the "danger zone".

I would continue to wash at temperatures you feel comfortable in doing so - what you need to remember though we cannot be 100% sterile so just concentrate on the areas it matters such as cleaning cloths, bedding and towels.

These textiles are great at spreading illness causing bacteria as people dont realise just how vile it can be sharing these.
We wouldnt swap used underwear but some of us seem to not mind sharing bed linen or grabbing the nearest cloth when we spill something - its usually the cloth we have just used to wipe raw chicken juice up with ewww!

Rob
 
Cbosch

"There are many ways with which we can become eco friendly but I personally feel that we don't have to become dirty to be eco."

Do you mean I'm dirty?

I forgot to say...
I don't use high temperatures but I DO USE a strong desinfectant.
It' the same desinfectant used in hospitals. It kills 99.99% of germs, bacterias and other unwanted "visitors".

the instructions in the bottle says only 5 minutes is enough, but I aways use a bigger dose and the clothes soak in the solution for aprox. 1:10 minutes, which is the wash time.
 
When I use cooler temps

I bleach the hell our of everything.

OH-wait, I bleach the hell out of everything anyway. Let some nasty bacteria survive that.

Chlorine is your friend.
 
Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. I run at least two or three boil washes per week, for all the terry towels, microfibre cloths and mop heads I get through for work (the slight increase in the electricity bill still works out cheaper than sending the laundry out and putting it through my expenses). All you can do is try to use the energy more wisely, by always loading the machine to its full capacity and following good laundry practices so as to eliminate the need for rewashing.

Besides, there's a lot more to being green than merely reducing temperatures in the laundry. I know quite a few people who think they're "saving the planet" by washing everything at 30 degrees when, in reality, it's nothing more than a token gesture to make them feel a little less guilty about wasting energy elsewhere. They'd be far better off ditching the frivolous 4x4, turning out lights when they leave a room, and adjusting the time clock on their central heating/hot water so it isn't ticking over all day while they're out at work...
 
Hi there,

I have the same machine as you... have to say I haven't used 95*C for ages now. My rule of thumb is normally 60 degrees for whites and 30 or 40 for anything thats coloured, then 60 for sheets. I always use minimum iron unless it's a particular bulky load which I will then use cottons, and more often than not the short option and have to say laundry always comes out clean and fresh - on the other washer with default short cycle times I don't press anything and it will do a min iron 40 in 51 mins. IMO I don't really see the need for higher wash temperatures, just seems a waste of energy and time when a 60 degree wash will do just as good a job, as long as a decent biological detegrent is used. Have to say I've washed my underwear at a low temperature along with coloureds for years and haven't died or become ill as a consequence yet - nor do I get musty smelling laundry :-).

I'm not too fussed anymore about killing germs and bacteria - after all, the load becomes "contaminated" again as soon as you open the washing machine door so as long as the clothes are clean then that's good enough for me :-). I never use 75 or 95*C washes, yet don't consider myself as a dirty or unhygienic person - the world is too hung up nowadays about being antibacterial when there are far more important things going on in the world :-).

I'd say the best way to cut energy use would be to use the dryer less and use more green alternatives such as the washing line, or investing in a decent clothes airer, changing the timers on the hot water boiler, using the car less, not leaving TV's on standby etc... changing washer temperatures alone certainly won't make that big a dent in the electric bill.

Jon
 
Forgot to say that, energy usage aside, washing at excessive temperatures can cause coloureds to fade, shrinking to fabrics and increased wear on fabrics. Made the mistake once of washing whites at 95*C and ended up with T shirts and socks being too small!

Jon
 
Energy saving advice---

If you're doing your laundry correctly, bacteria shouldn't be a major concern. The type of bacteria that's likely to be found on your clothes do not survive normal washing, even at 40C. So, unless you or someone in your household has some kind of unusual skin infections you really do not need to worry too much about it. Just run a standard cotton wash with the correct dose of detergent for your water quality and the type of stains on the clothes. You clothes will be as hygenically cleaned as is necessary for normal use.

If you are cleaning items which are actually contaminated with bacteria, e.g. clothes that might have been in contact with raw meat, you can do a pre-wash with clear Detol disinfectant. However, DO NOT use the orange/brown 'traditional' variety of detol as it will stink your washing machine out for weeks and your clothes will smell like a hospital!

Kitchen clothes should really be soaked in a sink/bucket containing disinfectant before they're ever put into a washing machine.

Likewise, you can prewash towels with clear Detol should you wish to do so. Same goes for pet beds etc

To keep your machine healthy :

If you are running full-length cotton cycles at 40C or more and using good quality detergent, in general you won't have much of a problem, particularly in soft water areas.

Run a full length cotton cycle with a good standard detergent like Ariel or Persil (not-colour version) once in a while at 90C. Maybe once a month.
You can throw your kitchen clothes or other items that need to be sanitized into that cycle too to avoid wasting energy.

If you're in a hardwater area, use a water softener like calgon in each wash. There are also good alternatives from Tesco etc and even Lidl's water softener's pretty effective. These are not-phosphate based btw.

If you're in a hardwater area and your machine has become very gunked-up, you can get a washing machine descaler. It's available online. However, I've found Finish or Sun dishwasher cleaner equally effective.

Pour the cleaner straight into the drum and run a 90C cottons wash and turn on any enhancement options like "Aqua Plus" (Bosch) "Water Plus and Wash plus" (Miele) .. Superwash (hotpoint) etc..

The single biggest problem for washing machine gunking-up other than limescale tends to be fabric softener.

If you are using a lot of softener, you do need to run a hot wash now and then to clear it out. A good detergent should also be capable of washing away any softener gunk that's left in the drum, even at low temps.

Other tips:
Use the correct dose of detergent - over dosing leads to gunk build-up.
Use a good quality detergent and softener.
Avoid 2-in-one detergent/softener combinations as they leave residues.
Do not exclusively use the QuickWash option, this leaves a lot of residues behind! Many people do almost all of their washing on this option and then wonder why their machine gets disgusting inside!

In summary to save energy:
Reduce the temp from 60 to 40 in your colour washes
Try doing your whites at 40C but on a long white cotton cycle and put in a scoop of Vanish crystal white, (combination of oxygen bleacn + enzymes). Results are often better than a 90C wash!!
Use quickwash options where appropriate e.g. if you're just washing a very small load of lightly soiled items.
Do a monthly boil wash to keep you machine healthy!
 
I recently experimented with washing everything at 40

But I have gone back to washing colours at 40 and whites at 60. On the whole the clothes were still clean at 40, but I have noticed when ironing under arms of shirts and tshirts washed at 40 there is a smell of sweat. I would wash everything at 60 but I don't want faded colours. Energy saving is all good but things still need to be clean =]
 
If your clothes still have odours after a 40C wash you're not using a good detergent or you're not using enough of it.
 
hey thanks for all your posts.
i never really use the short option as i like a good long wash on the other hand i wanner keep wash times down lol. i use persil bio i think, its quite expensive. i will take some of your ideas into consideration. i have changed from 60 to 50 for my colours and for whites, tea towles, bath towels ect 75 - if it is quite a full load if not then ill move down to 60. ill see how that goes if not who cares lol. but thatnks for all your help. p.s i collect washers aswell. my hotpoint 9545 washer seems to lose power during washing ( going round ) it starts of slow trying to go fast but it runs slow when the timer clicks, it then speeds up why is this. its a yellow hotpoint with a spin slider. about 20+ old
 
hello hotpoint_42

I wash colours on 50 or 40. 50 does a great job aswell as 40. However on the hotpoint wma 58 i had to use 50 or 60 as it didn't clean as well as dyson.

By the way i've sent you an email.
thanks for the pic of your washer and dryer.
 

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