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From The Netherlands to rural Minnesota: The Technivorm finally arrived, yesterday. (I ordered it in November.)

I read a great review of this coffee maker in Cook's Illustrated back in September, and was intrigued enough to order one.

My daily driver for the past few years has been a DeLonghi espresso pump. Lately, though, I've craved a simpler, quicker, less messy process---but I didn't want to sacrifice the great flavor and boldness of the espresso method.

Let me assure you, the rave reviews from users (as well as Cook's Illustrated) are accurate. This baby makes a fantastic cup of coffee. The flavor is very nuanced, with a lot of body. It's like the difference between drinking skim milk and whole milk; nothing wrong with skim milk, it's just that whole milk has more body, flavor, and a silkier mouth-feel.

I do miss the steamed/frothed milk that went along with the DeLonghi; but the Technivorm is so simple and quick that it's worth the trade. There is certainly nothing high-tech about it; no programming timer, clock, or grinder.

It does have a 1400-watt copper boiler, which allows it to heat the water to the perfect temp (195-to-205 degrees) from the very beginning of the cycle. It also completes the brewing process within a few seconds of the 6-minute ideal.

Highly recommended to say the least---but it's pricey. Mine was $265, from Clive Coffee in Portland, OR. (clivecoffee.com) I think you can find it for a little less elsewhere (around $225), but Clive promised the fastest delivery. Getting your hands on one of these is like trying to procure a Wii, LOL.

It came with a pound of fantastic Sumatran coffee (from the Clive Coffee roasters, of course) and a box of unbleached filters---although I think I may use the gold fine mesh filter I kept from an ancient Braun drip machine. I read that paper filters can tend to absorb some of the oils/flavor during the brewing process.

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Louis---How old is your Technivorm coffee maker? They seem built to last for many years. Mine has a heavy-duty cord and grounded plug, much like a washing machine.

Just for fun, I brewed a pot in my old Braun and one in the new Moccamaster. Man, you can really tell the difference. It's amazing. Love it! Definitely worth the admittedly steep price.
 
Better than Braun--But is it better than Mr. Coffee?

Sorry. I couldn't resist that.

It must be amazingly good it's better than the old Braun. Maybe your Braun is the exception, but, as I recall, years back Braun was very highly regarded.

The sad thing? I think I saw an older model in a thrift shop a few months back. I passed over it, thinking it was just another drip coffee maker, which I don't need and probably would never use. (I mostly make coffee using a one cup drip maker that perches on the cup, while the user pours hot water in manually. If I ever need to make coffee for others, I've usually used a French press maker.) Now, I wish I'd bought that coffee maker when it was available for $5. Ah, well. Live and learn. And maybe it didn't work.

Yes, in fact, I'm sure it didn't. It was so clean and neat looking, it must have failed when brand new. That's it....
 
I thought most drip coffee makers put out water in that temp range... and five minutes or so sounds about right for most coffee makers as well. So other than being well made, what's different about the Mocca?

I got to see Ralph's 3rd gen Cuisinart Burr Grind 'n Brew coffee maker yesterday. Very nice looking, compact unit. I already have the 1st and 2nd gen versions, though, and probably won't be coughing up cash for the 3rd gen version.
 
No, drip coffee makers have by and large begun dumbing down their temps for ages now. It is one of the reasons people are seeking out vintage coffee makers, especially automatics including vacuum pots.

IIRC, the rot started in response to complaints and concerns about saftey, especially wee children. Same reason why a host of kitchen appliances from irons to what have you, no longer get hot as previous models.

To be fair, can understand the rationale. My Sunbeam C50, lower brewing pot does get very hot, so hot the outside can slighly burn one if touched, and or melt plastic.

L.
 
Eugene

I have no idea how old mine is. I bought mine in a thriftstore. I had an older Braun Traditional and I didn't really like it although it made better coffee than the newer Brauns. Biggest problem was the temperature, the heating element of the Braun was only 650 Watts. And it took ages to make a pot of coffee!
 
Rich--- The test in Cook's Illustrated found that the drip coffee makers they tested didn't come close to the ideal brew time of six minutes (less time results in a thin product; more, a bitter, acidic brew) and/or they began the cycle with water too cool (again, thin result) and overshot the ideal temp range later in the cycle (bitter).

They tested only machines with thermal carafes, as they claim a pot of coffee sitting on a warmer gets bitter very quickly.

Many of the other makers tested also had trouble making a half-pot. They found the results were usually a watery, thin coffee.

Several of the machines had substantial problems with both timing and temp, which produced a thin-bodied, yet bitter, acidic cup of coffee.

Cook's Ill. says there are more than 1,000 volatile flavor and aroma compounds in roasted coffee beans. The 30 which produce the best tasting coffee, are extracted at a temp of 195-to-205 degrees, in exactly six minutes of brew time.

The Technivorm Moccamaster was the only coffee maker tested which hit all the marks. Most of the other machines, with their cheaper heating elements, didn't, which resulted in bitter, one-dimensional coffee.

Here's the lineup in their test results, listed in order of performance:

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED:
Technivorm Moccamaster Model KBT741 $240.00

RECOMMENDED WITH RESERVATIONS:
Krups Model FMF5 $95.50
Cuisinart Grind & Brew Model DGB-900BC $199.00
Black & Decker Model TCM830 $60

NOT RECOMMENDED:
Hamilton Beach Model 45238 $90
Mr. Coffee Model FTTX95 $47.24
Bunn-O-Matic Model BTX $131.00
Capresso Model 455 $299.00

Having lived with the Moccamaster for a few days, I can attest it makes fantastic coffee. It's especially noticeable if you don't add milk. The claims of it making a cup whose taste is complex, full-bodied and multi-dimensional are accurate!
 
Perusing thru our local kitchenabilia store for the well heeled today I saw they carried these Tecnivorm Mochamasters but at $285 Cdn, about $230 US it's still too rich for me at the moment.. in other words I'd pay a much dearer price from my other half for spending that much on a coffee maker.
 
Interesting comment from Launderess about newer coffeemakers not making water as hot as older ones. I'm very picky about my coffee and only buy my favorite African and Indonesian beans from a local roaster. For the past several years I've used Melitta coffeemakers and have found they make hotter and better coffee than most others. Unfortunately, they're poorly made and start leaking water onto the counter after a couple of years. I'm now wondering if hotter water is the reason the Melittas perform so well, as it surely isn't build quality.

I especially hate ordering coffee at a chain like Starbucks or Gloria Jeans, as it's barely warm to start with and becomes tepid very rapidly when I add my usual fat dollop of half and half. Of course the beans at those places aren't great to start with, but at least they should know enough to brew the coffee correctly.
 
Gave up on modern coffee makers ages ago. Nothing but lukewarm dreck comes of them, not worthy of Kenya AA beans.

Once switched to the Sunbeam or even Silex vacuum pots, never looked back. The Sunbeam C50 especially brews HOT coffee.

To get something like that from modern coffeemakers, one may have to try one of the commercial "Bunn" or some such drip units. Even there, the vintage models make hotter coffee.
 
Bunn: Yuk! Who wants coffee made from water that's been sitting, heated, inside the machine for 12-24 hours?

The CI test downrated the Bunn because it worked too quickly (thus producing a one-dimensional, thin brew) and too hot (bitter/acidic).
 
I've also been reading that coffee should be served at 155-to-170 degrees to maximize complex notes/taste and minimize the bitter/sour ones.

In other words, you don't want your coffee served too hot, or you'll pick out more undesirable flavors.

If all this seems fussy, it shouldn't. We're not expecting rocket science from our coffee makers: Brew it in six minutes---at 195-to-205 degrees for the entire cycle---and hold the serving temp at 155-to-170.

Amazing how many of them aren't able to do the relatively simple things required to produce the best possible coffee.

Then, there's the roasting process.....LOL!
 
Well Louis

Seems you have been holding out on us! Especially poor Artemis!

I'm coming over to check you out! Completely from shower filters to coffeemakers!

Gene thanks & kuodos to you for revealing Louis's secrets!

Must consider one of those, my family are coffeesnobs!
My daily driver is a Sunbeam C30 BeeHive. The patents from the 30's state coffee should be brewed between 203-205 degrees. Any higher and you extract the lignins from the bean making the coffee bitter. It roilulates and bubulates the coffee for up to 5 minutes before settling down to Vacuum. So even after 50 years its still in the ballpark.
Never liked drip coffee so this will be interesting.
But everyone who has a cup of my Sunbeam coffee , the first thing they always say :Ooo Its so nice and hot!

Not a Starbucks fan but my sister gave me for Xmas a pound of their Ethiopean Sun Dried Sidamo. I must say it is in no way like thier usual roast and I have to say I like it very much.

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I love Ethiopian coffee too! I mostly drink a mix of 3/4 Ethiopian decaf and 1/4 Malabar or Sumatran.

The problem with Starbucks and other chains selling beans is that they're centrally roasted and packed, then warehoused to be shipped across the country to distribution centers where they are warehoused again until being shipped to individual stores. So it's pure luck if you get any fresh beans.

Check and see if you have any local stores which roast their own. Small volume roasters also tend to be much fussier about the beans they buy. Not only will you get better beans, but you'll support your local non-chain coffee shop.

For those who live in Los Angeles this is an excellent shop: Village Coffee Roaster, located at the southeast corner of Mulholland and the Ventura Freeway. The owner is deadly serious about his coffee, and roasts everything right in the shop.

 
Oh Hydralique

We have several super roasters here in Boston, on the Cape and all over NH nad Vermont.

My absolute new favorite ($$$) is Flat Black roasters! Wow is that good coffee.

I wouldn't buy Starbucks but if its given to me I'll drink what I like and toss the rest.

Our local bakery serves Rao's Guatemalan its delicious too!
 

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