I really like the look of the new Whirlpool Front Loaders

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Over the years, as you know most here keep up with the new washers/dryers over the years...and I've noticed Whirlpool has made some really UGLY looking models throughout the years (some not so bad, but others horrible looking)... But finally, they actually look really good! And with a drain access door if you can believe it! I really wish I could see these in action with different cycles...It's so difficult to find anyone buying a whirlpool/Maytag and actually posting videos of the wash action with different cycles, etc. I could be wrong, but these really have an LG/Samsung look to me.. even though they're not... I wonder if they operate similarly? If anyone comes across of video of someone having bought these and filming them in action.. PLEASE let me know.

 
Antimicrobial and fan dry system...

All because Americans refuse to wipe boot of washer dry after use and leave door open. H-axis washers existed for ages in Europe and elsewhere and no one else but solvenly housekeepers had issues with whiffy washers.

For those looking to take leap A.J. Madison is running a Black Friday deal:

https://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/a...OsQZF1TWTpE43pvNMuFF5ZAGx7eF-YQze1AlKkJmP9ndT
 
exception A.J. Madison statement

Free shipping to Alaska and Hawaii for appliances would be impossible for this retailer (or anyone else), yet to make a profit, however their website statement of:

"Free Nationwide Shipping" implies that neither state is part of the "nation".

A more politically correct statement would be:

"Free Shipping Within the Continental United States".

'Jes saying...
 
Curious...

I've often wondered what the predicted life expectancy of a front load washer vs. a top loader is.

I've very good friends who own an Father/Son (3 sons) excavating business in Alaska, needless to say their work clothing gets very dirty.

And yet their circa mid 2000's Maytag front loader still functions just fine, it's used exclusively for their work garments, the Lady of the house forbids them to launder their work clothes in her Speed Queen top loader...
 
Yep most of us here don't need antimicrobal protection or fan dry systems. We just have enough sense to know how to do laundry while taking care of the machine...

I'm dying to see what the cycles are like in operation... but it will probably be MONTHS before we get a video... maybe years.. even now, any maytag whirlpool washer in operation with different cycles on youtube are few and far between.

I did find something I thought was interesting. On Home Depot's website when you're going through the specifications of different washers...This washer as teir 1 level certification...Tier 1 meeting the bare minimum requirements. Teir 2 being more energy efficient... and tier 3 super energy efficient... Just curiously, I noticed the LG's are tier 2 (which kind of shocked me) .. although I'm not sure if the Teir rating has to do with water usage or just energy or both because I'm too lazy to look into it atm
 
Longevity of H-axis washing machines.

H-axis washers are relatively new to US market, but we can get numbers from Europe where they've been out for ages.

Average lifespan historically for H-axis washers in UK/Europe was between 8-12 years. This of course varied by brand with offering from say Miele on average lasting far longer (15 years or so).

Today those numbers are down to about 8 years on average give or take. This largely is likely reflected in many washing machine manufacturers taking some of the money out of their machines to remain cost competitive.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6472650/

Longevity of any appliance will be reflected in how much use the thing gets, is maintained and used properly.

A washer in a home with 2 adults and two or several children likely will see far more duty hours per week than say one in a home of a single person or even couple.
 
I"m spoiled by the push in shortening wash cycles on my LG with Turbowash. I watch Youtube Maytag & Whirlpool front load washers trying to go through a cycle and it's like watching paint dry in slow motion compared to my LG. The increase drivess me nuts.

I will also add the online user manual is woefully deficient in any cycle description compared to Maytag's new front loaders. Extremely disappointing to not highlight or point the WP differentiators and descriptions. Documentation is pathetic compared to Maytag's. [this post was last edited: 11/29/2024-17:23]
 
I thought the Whirlpool and Maytag's sort of had built in turbo wash now...what I mean is that they have recirculation... isn't that the same thing?
 
Mark, not really as far as I'm concerned. Yes the Whirlpool has recirculation during wash & rinses but it doesn't have the sprays during spins as it's ramping up and that makes a huge difference to me. I got a light like you suggested and I can sit there and watch all the action. I paid close attention as each deep rinse began filling up and watched any suds spalshing on the glass as it went through each deep rinse as compared to my Duet. The Duet cannot even come close.
 
hahaah! I forgot all about the light!!! so it sounds like it works good for what you needed it for! Good..

I know. I've seen many videos of LG turbo wash..I almost think some of the rinses I've seen use more water than my 2005 Duet if you can believe that... and my duet is a swimming pool compared to some front loaders I've seen. But we have no way of knowing if these new Whirlpool FL's are the same machine in a different skin or if they're totally different in how they operate...

Speaking of that... I was having a conversation in a youtube comment section with someone who had made a comment that they've had their Elux FL washer for 2 years and they love it... I wasn't expecting a response but I asked them if they could explain to me how pure rinse worked...becuase someone on here said they had an Elux and it only used one rinse no matter if they chose pure rinse....

anyway - they said if pure rinse in selected it does 3 total rinses, with the last rinse avoiding the dispenser altogether and filling with way more water... I thought that was an interesting bit of info.
 
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Strange that documentation content should differ between a Whirlpool and Maytag appliance of any sort.

They are, after all produced by the Whirlpool Corporation...
 
European whiffy washers

In the UK we didn't use to have to worry much about keeping washing machines clean, other than leaving the door open, but it was mainly thanks to regular boil washing and using powder detergent.

I remember somewhere around the mid 1990s - 2000, seeing an episode of "That's Life" a BBC One consumer/ entertainment programme starring Esther Rantzen, that featured stinking washing machines as their main story, because they'd had a huge amount of mail about the problem, with people blaming their machines.

The "industry expert" they had on, blamed it on the rapidly increasing popularity of using liquid detergents and also low temperature washing not killing the bacteria.

We'd already learnt that a few years earlier, having used "Wisk" liquid detergent for 2 -3 years in the 80s while it was available in the UK, then switching to "Radion" liquid. I remember my irate mum getting me to smell the machine, it was really foul. She tried an empty boil wash with disinfectant then, she used a very strong garden disinfectant, which still didn't stop it stinking, then I think she must have chucked a whole bottle of toilet bleach in it as a final resort. I had to stop the wash, pump it out and start it again about 3 times because of the amount of foam the bleach and all the old detergent residue dissolving in the hot water was producing.

That's why I use powder for nearly all of my washing, and only use liquids on delicates. I don't normally even bother to wipe or dry the seal, just pick out any balls of my hair and lint. The powder keeps it clean, no mould, no smell, just a bit of limescale in the fold in the door seal.
 
That's interesting with the liquid causing machines to smell bad... but also around that time pple were using lower temps... I think it's the temp that's the main factor...with my front load I've exclusive used powder (until about the last 2-3 months) but I went back to liquid... and I haven't noticed a thing changing in terms of the washer smelling any differently

NEW MAYTAG FRONT LOAD:

I haven't really paid much attention to the Maytag's but came across a new model Maytag... It's called Pet Pro... I think this would be cool to have even if you do NOT have pets...because with the pet pro option, you're gonna definitely get way more water to flush away pet hair...I've always avoided 5.0 cubic feet washers (or even looking at them) because most of them are more than 27 inches wide, but this is 5.0 cu ft and still 27 inches wide.. but I'm sure the depth is more.. I can deal with more depth just not width... That's one of my biggest concerns about a new front load washer is that if it's going to use enough water in the rinses to make me happy... it's cool the baffle comes out to clean... I wonder if it would even need to be cleaned with no pets. If I had this, I'd use pet pro all the time...

Scratching my head as I do not see a drain access door on the Maytag...What is Whirlpool thinking? They make redesign these and decide to add a drain access door to the Whirlpool but NOT the Maytag??

 
Jeff, Whirlpool and Maytag may be part of Whirlpool corp., but their front loaders cycles aren't exact match between the two brands, there's some tweaking for differentiation and performance.[this post was last edited: 11/30/2024-21:09]
 
Whirlpool corporate has been particularly terrible in documentation the past several years. On all their appliances.
There must’ve been a changing of the guard in the technical documents dept, with deep cost cutting.
Many are even riddled with typos or errors from what I’ve seen.
 
Turbowash, recirculation, etc on FL washers

Mark, I'm with you, I thought any washer with recirculation basically had turbowash, guess it's not quite the same thing.

Samsung FL washers have a feature called super speed. Similar concept as turbowash in that it basically cuts the cycle time in half, but wonder if the execution is the same.

Ryne
 
From the videos I've seen, I actually LIKE the way the Samsungs wash and rinse.. I know they are made in South Korea, not China, like the LG's...and may have some production in USA like LG's...

I have to wonder, is the industry going away from ultra low water now? It's just that I notice newer machines seem to use more than the years passed when people were REALLY complaining about it. There was a stretch of years where some of the front loaders used so little that there wasn't even any sloshing...It's like I hear more sloshing now when I watch videos of different cycles in action... and that's across all brands. Some more than others of course.

it still makes me a little mad when I see an older LG video use a 40-50 second spray rinse and the new ones it's like 6 seconds...that almost doesn't even count in comparison
 
I'm sorry. I thought they were made in South Korea or the USA... I know they have factories in the USA and South Korea... I had no clue they went via China with some of their stuff..

I know GE's FL washers are Chinese
 
Samsung + Whirlpool + GE = The New Whirlpool

Seems LGs TurboWash feature with the recirculation pump has had its impact on the market. AFAIK, GE seems to be the only one that isn't using a recirculation pump in any of its front loaders.

There seems to be variation in terms of implementation on how Whirlpool/Maytag, Electrolux, LG and Samsung appear to utilize the recirculation pump during the wash phase.

Whirlpool and Electrolux both appear to utilize the recirculation pump periodically throughout the wash cycle. What they appear to do is saturate the load with the soapy solution, then tumble it around for a bit and repeat and seems to be the case in all their cycles. What this would provide is more mechanical action while in tandem ensuring the load is evenly saturated with the solution and thus would actually improve cleaning performance over LGs Turbowash. In fact on TurboWash models during the Heavy Duty cycle on LG front loaders, the wash portions utilization of the recirculation spray is very similar to what Electrolux and Whirlpool are doing with their implementation. Here LG does not continuously spray the load down while tumbling as seen on other cycles, what they do instead is kick on the recirculation pump in few second bursts and pauses while tumbling the load.

On my 2018 LG WM4370, it appears to be 3 burst sprays during each tumble in any direction on the heavy duty cycle with TurboWash enabled. Each burst spray seems to get weaker signifying that the solution in the outer drum is infact being transferred up into the load and being tumbled around, the process repeats through the entire duration of the long wash portion.

Outside of the Heavy Duty cycle, LG utilizes the recirculation spray all the time while tumbling, the implementation here is exactly what they market it to be...speeding up the wash cycle by ensuring the load is fully saturated at all times with the solution albeit at decreased mechanical action due to the load being more slippery. LG clearly knows of this as the functionality of Turbowash vastly changes on Heavy Duty cycles and mimics similarly to what Electrolux and Whirlpool do with the recirculation spray in all their cycles.

It's worth mentioning that when you compare an LG Non-Turbowash front loader with a LG Turbowash front loader, one of the major differences you can tell is how fast the laundry gets saturated. ALL LG front loaders fill through the outer tub. The fill portion on LG Non-Turbowash front loaders appears that it's meant to gradually and slowly saturate the load until it hits proper saturation levels through fill bursts. IMO it takes ridiculously long and takes up a good chunk of time in the cycle. LG Turbowash front loaders fill through the drum and saturate with the recirculation pump which cuts down on time tremendously. Other players in the industry seem to have always filled through the drum saturating laundry almost immediately. I much prefer this way and what LG TurboWash models do.

Keep in mind that neither LG nor Samsung market this feature to aid cleaning but to reduce cycle times.

Electrolux and Whirlpool actually say nothing about but it is implemented in a way to aid cleaning performance.

I'm actually very much intrigued by these newer Whirlpool front loaders. They look much better than the previous model, however the previous model also was plagued with computer board issues which I have a feeling will transfer over to the newer ones given Whirlpools track record with computers...

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They absolutely do look SO MUCH BETTER than previous models

For what it's worth... in 2014 when I got my new Maytag dishwasher, I was so paranoid from reading reviews with control board issues... and I haven't seen a single glitch in over 10 years now...

at any rate, I do wonder if plugging in into an appliance surge protector would prevent control board issues.. I don't know... My duet from 2005 control board went out in 2007 or 2008 (I can't remember) it was replaced and from that point plugged into a surge protector...zero issues after that.. I can only assume the control board was the same as the one it replaced...maybe? I don't know. I remember thinking "God this thing is going to be a NIGHTMARE washer... a total lemon... LOL
 
Appnut... I rememeber you saying that earlier... very smart idea... I do know that guy that does appliance videos on youtube..the one that wears the Maytag uniform...seems like a super nice knowledgeable guy...I remember in one of his videos him saying that with today's sensitive electronics in appliances, it would be wise to plug them into a surge protector. I know there are specific surge protectors for "appliances" I'm not sure if that's different than just a general surge protector... and then some say they don't need surge protectors because they have built in surge protection....

the only appliance that I have that's actually plugged into a surge protector is my front loader. I probably shouold do the dishwasher but I haven't.

I honestly do not know if that indeed helps...but it certainly doens't hurt.
 
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