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On JayKay18

There are many things that he is right about, but many others that he is not on. He is good at fixing things, but has many false beliefs on things. He is generally a mixed bag with a select few but very loyal followers. He is the only person to YouTube who can have 100 views on a video but over 30 comments and 80 likes at the same time.
 
Yeah...

JayKay18 also has created his own wash-in, he calls it "Wash Day Wash In." He and another YouTube user Sharkie626 wash towels in his two Whirlpool Direct Drive washers (Whirlpool's last good top load washers) and they talk about how bad the HE washers are. I forgot to mention, that one LG washing machine got replaced with a Speed Queen!!
 
Oh brother

I can't watch his videos. He repeats the same things over and over and over and over and over and over. It's like, come on, get over it already. I can't imagine being that obsessed over being against something. I'm all for retro, but this dude is just plain stuck in another era. LOL
 
New HE top load washers are NOTHING like the washers before this era of HE machines. I personally do not feel I could EVER get used to using one the way it works and that is why I choose to have a front load machine. I do not think that my front load machine is very aggressive with really dirty items, but with the extra time and heat boost it seems to accomplish the same results as an aggressive top loader in cleaning. One thing a front loader is excellent at is getting rid of lint and not promoting more while washing. It also saves a great deal on water and on energy to dry clothes, since it spins out so well. It just takes a long time for a cycle, which I have adjusted to.
 
Jon-- Thanks for providing more evidence that the guy making these videos is misguided.

 

Of course the HE machine in the video above uses more water to do a complete fill.  The tub is larger! That also means it can wash a larger load than the traditional Whirlpool.  A machine's water efficiency is based on the amount of water used per pound of clothing, not on how many gallons it takes to fill the tub.

 

CR and reviewed.com test the cleaning ability of HE top-loaders by allowing the machine to select the amount of water used.  That reduces the total gallons used substantially when compared to a traditional top-loader.

 

There are legitimate reasons to dislike high efficiency top-loaders.  This guy's specious test is not one of them. 

 

 

 

 

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I prefer top load washers over front load washers, simply because they plain work, and get it done in 30 minutes. Front loaders spin faster, but a faster spin puts stress on the fabrics. My Maytag A810 washer and Maytag DG810 dryer from the 80's that has never had a repair that I know of ( I acquired the Maytag washer and dryer around Auguest of last year ) and it has been working fine without a problem since then. Maytag washers of the 50's 60's 70's 80's and 90's did not have largest capacity, but since the tub was not as deep, but was wider, it spun a good amount of water out. Our front loader had a fast spin speed, but the average drying time was an hour. My Maytag does not have the fastest spin speed, but the drying time is still an hour ( Towels take an our to dry, but regular fabrics take 45 minutes to dry ). Our Kenmore dryer that matched the washer ( It is for sale in the Shoppers Square section ) that had automatic dry cycles, but it never worked properly from the beginning. I always used the timed drying cycle, instead of the automatic dry cycles.
 
I'm with Eugene.  A washplate HE is at the bottom of my list.  Next to the bottom of the list is any modern agitator-looking washer.  Direct drive Whirlpool-produced products are even lower, aka Shredmores.  I'm with Bruce.  Front loaders only.  Higher water temps, better disgusting stain removal, cleaner clothes, and mine are lasting longer.  With difficult stains, I spent more time washing/soaking a load in the Shredmore than my front loader using steam, sanitize or extra hot temperatures and still costs me less due to less water usage and heating required 23 gallons of hot water. 

 

And that guy measuring all the water, he wasn't realistic.  Because of fabric saturation and water retention following the spin between wash & rinse, the rinse fill uses lest water than the wash fill.
 
Front loaders use less water, but use more electricity, and most of all, waste time! Another thing about top loading washers is, you can use whatever laundry detergent you want. We bought Tide Pods in the summer of 2014, and they didn't really work. I dislike those Tide Pods pods, just as much as Front loaders! I forgot to mention, when the door gasket failed on our front loader, it was the definition of 'SHREDMORE', it put small holes in my clothes!
 
The washer that was in my old flat had a FL and it was like a 5/6kg with super small drum and the standard program at 40c took 3,5h and I couldn't  runt it at night cause the neighbour complained about noise. It was a nightmare
 
I apologize for my iPad

Sorry about my last post -- apparently I hit the wrong key and it sent. Anyway, my new machines are awful. The dryer's "auto dry" cycle leaves clothes damp even at the highest heat setting. I have hated modern machines ever since the mid 1980s and these lovely vintage 2017 machines are terrible. I found that the "Normal" rinse cycle doesn't even agitate. It does a partial fill and then drains/spins. Anyway, I hope I can keep my older machines going until I die. Hate modern technology!
 
That is a newer Whirlpool Belt Drive Washer. I don't like these new belt drives at all. Automatic Dry is a gimmick on most modern dryers, I would use the Timed Drying Cycle. YouTube user Sharkie626 will explain why the new Whirlpool Belt Drive Washer is worse than th Whirlpool Direct Drive Washer. I'll put it in the link.

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=so2eZLFeJi4
 
that's the thing with youtube....they will let any fool post a video...credible or not....fact or fiction....

then again, whats the real issue, the ones who post?, or the ones who watch and believe everything they see?.....if anything, I figure this a comedy type of vid..

obviously there is not one single video of "How to fix stupid!".....

just masterful understated observations considering it comes from total idiots....

for HALF the people who don't like, or lets be serious, have no clue how to properly operate one of these units...

of those half, who toss these machines out.....I come along to pick them up, only to find out there is nothing wrong with it.....it works perfect.....and Re-Sell for a clear and free profit....

again, SOLD to the other HALF who are tickled pink to buy a machine for half the price of new....that works as it should!....

guess who laughing all the way to the bank?...

don't knock them until you own a few!
 
and the same type of direct drive machine in motion......looks like plenty of water and agitation to me....then again, this vid is courtesy of our own Gansky, someone who definitely knows how to wash clothes and operate a washer correctly...

this one is a 2009 model, I have a 2010 that operates the same way.....newer versions are even better...



SO....you were saying?
 
I have to agree with Martin about these new HE TL's. I have been using my Maytag MVWC415 since Dec. 2016 and have had zero problems with it. I uses an adequete amount of water to throughly clean and rinse all types of loads, much more that the LG FL that it replaced. And it is relatively quick, most loads done in 50-55 mins. And it has never become unbalanced, spins first time, every time without hesitation. This was my main complaint with the LG, it seemed to hunt endlessly for that sweet spot where it would decide to spin. This is what contributed to the sometimes 2 hr. cycle times. And the cotton cycle on heavy soil level would tumble for no less that 20 mins with the clothes being barely damp, mostly dry, then would add more water , but not enough and continue to wash for another 10 mins. This is why I got rid of it.

We have a set of extra heavy weight bath towels that we got from Pottery Barn. I couldn't get these towels to spin in the LG FL unless I used slow spin speed, and even then it didn't want to spin. Finally, after the last time I washed them in the LG and it took 2 1/2 hours on normal soil I just stopped using these towels. The Maytag washes, rinses and spins these towels perfectly in 55 mins on heavy soild level with hot water on the Deep Water cycle. I watched yesterday when I washed these towels. The load was almost to the top of the basket dry, and after it filled and started to agitate the load had compressed to about 1/3 of the tub and was covered with about a inch of water, the equivalent of what a Westinghouse FL from the 80's would have used. To me the amount of water this machine uses is just right. Enough to throughly wash and rinse, but not wasteful. And I use hot water for most all loads, and it is pretty hot, I can see the steam coming through the gaps in the lid while it is filling and there is condensation on the control panel while it is filling.

My new Maytag washes and rinses at least as well or better than the 76'Maytag 806 that I used to have. Personally, I think this machine is one of the very best washers I've ever owned. And as far as the comment about excessive linting from these HE TL's, that is not my experience. I clean the dryer lint filter after every load and I find that there is no more lint than when I owned the LG FL.

I say don't knock it if you haven't tried it!
Eddie[this post was last edited: 8/11/2017-18:02]
 
The Fall and Rise

I have been with a top loading style of washer for 13 strong years. Up until the day it was struggling to complete a cycle. It was a typical but famous Whirlpool Direct Drive top load but re-badged with the "Inglis" brand.

I must say seeing those clothes rollover in water like that and hearing those spray rinses on the final spin, sure looked, felt and sounded satisfying. But I did not know what clean looked like at that point. I just assumed that because clothes were submerged, and being rolled around in a soapy mix of detergent and water, meant they were getting clean.

It was always however, a mystery to why the scent of fabric softener..well never really stayed in clothes up until now. No matter how much I'd put in the smell would always hardly be in there.

I was hoping this would be the only washer we ever owned and frankly, I'd grown attachment to it over the years because of its clean-ability and reliability. It was a definite work horse that never gave up no matter what i threw at it.

Up until a certain day in 2014, where it got to the rinse cycle, went to agitate, buzzed and cutoff. It cutoff with a tub FULL of water and wet clothes. That was the day we had to run out and buy a new modern "BS" washing machine. However after a while the machine did begin to work again, and we were relieved. Up until the point we washed another load and it kept stopping in all parts of the cycle except the spin.

So that day we went out with little knowledge on modern washers. Right away we were greeted with a friendly sales person who right away lead us to a TOL Samsung top load Washer, and a TOL LG top load washer.

In my mind...this is what I saw when I looked at those washers in specific.



Just looking at the price tag of those machines and having seen and had a mental image of how those washed, it was a right away "nope." So we continued and saw A Kenmore/Whirlpool VMW based washer. That was going to be our washer but, I thought to myself, maybe we should try something new. Now with that Kenmore/Whirlpool VMW still in the back of my mind, we went on to the god forbid front loaders. I've heard all sorts of stories about how moldy they get, their broken spiders and bearings.

I saw a couple of LG's, lots of Samsung branded Kenmores, and also a couple of Frigidaires. Until I came across a certain FL, that one, had decent capacity, two, featured no more than basic options that should help us get around a load of laundry, and three was in our price range. Not to mention it was a tried and true brand "Whirlpool" which did in fact lead me to some more confidence. So I thought to myself, screw it, lets give it a try. After all if it wasn't as good or complete trash, I could return it and get that trashy VMW washer.

This day the, Whirlpool Duet WFW72HEDW was our brand new, first washer we bought. Of course until the machine came we struggled without DD TL. A week later, the machine was scheduled for delivery where the old washer got taken out of our home and the new "BS" washer entered out laundry room for the first time in 13 years.

I ran through typical installation process, remove the shipping bolts, leveling flushing hoses. I hit the power button and it played a playful tune, a unique one too. I've only ever heard the tones of a LG,Samsung, Older WP FL's and Frigidaires, so I was curious to hear the tone it would make.

I ran a quick wash cycle empty and to my surprise it really was quick..Only 20 minutes and not the displayed 26 Minutes. After I ran a small load in the quick wash cycle and thought, this washer might be okay after all.

A couple of days later I decided to use the dreaded Normal cycle. And to my surprise, it actually worked very nicely, low wash waters but HIGH rinse levels. Not to mention I got 2 rinses instead of only 1 like before. The cycle time on the Normal cycle ranged from 35-50 minutes. Those 50 minute loads were my fault as i'd sometimes throw in towels which I no longer do. Those towels would cause the washer to spin much longer than needed due to the weight.

A couple of loads later I noticed white clothes in specific... WERE BRIGHTER and WHITER. I did not recall washing those with bleach and infact they came out much whiter than with bleach in our old DD TL. I was impressed. I threw comforters at it, towels you name it. The FL like our old TL, was a workhorse. It never gave up and always finished the cycle successfully no matter what. Just recently I washed a load of towels on the normal cycle with extra rinse selected. The cycle completed with 3 rinses all in 42 Minutes. 42. Not 2,3,4, hours. I've NEVER owned a machine that could do that. Ever. Not even my old DD TL.

Going in, I was an EXTREME skeptic about FL's. Now my FL will turn 3 years next month. I'm happy to say it cleans BETTER than my DD TL, most of the time as fast or even quicker. No parts have been replaced, and best part, NO MOLD OR SMELLS. Only the scent of fabric softener in clothes and a mild scent of detergent in the tub.

Looking more carefully at the wash action, clothes rub together, which mimics the old fashioned way of rubbing clothes and using a wash board.

FL's pack the old method of washing clothes, into a machine form.

While my old WP DD TL will always hold a place in my mind, It also does pain me quite a bit that I have to say goodbye to my WP Duet 72' FL in a couple of months as we are moving :(

Do I think TL are the best?
No.
Do I think modern TL's are better.
Hell No. Or at least, not as good as their predecessors. However modern TL's are definitely improving significantly model by model.
Will I be switching to a TL ever again?
Most likley, No. MAYBE if its a vintage Maytag. I've only ever got my hands one those a couple of times at a Coin-Op place.

I speak all of this off of experience.
 
There are good front loaders out there, and they might clean as well as a top loader, but I have had a bad experience with them, witch might explain why I don't like front loaders. The only good top load washer that is made today, would be a Speed Queen.
 
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