IFA 2024

[brisnat81]

Rich, I'm kind of hoping the T2's will fix that annoying ticking that the carbon brushes from the moisture sensor make as the drum rotates.

I really don't get how the pre T1 dryers never made a sound and somehow every T1 dryer I've come across has a rhythmic ticking. Miele's response is that its just normal, even when you demonstrate an T8000WP and a T1 side by side.

 

[richnz]

The dryer

@brisnat81

Hi Nathan, I have seen another video and the ribs don't seem to have the metal parts used to sense wetness. Perhaps the annoying tick is gone.
Perhaps its done along the front edge of the drum?

I saw a video on FB which showed the wash action of the washer.
Like an LG.
Hope the belt can stand that tossing.

 

[logixx]

A video of the wash action? Please provide a link.

 

[richnz]

Here is the FB group I joined

https://www.facebook.com/share/g/NJRx2pMru4r4HfGD/

I also found this video where the reporter seems to self-demo the new vacuum cleaner.
Help yourself at IFA?

 

[logixx]

Thanks for the link!

Hm, I wonder if the LG-like swing motion is supposed to the THE wash action or if it's just used for smaller loads that, maybe, aren't heavy enough to be lifted by the "Queen Cells". I don't see that working on really big loads.

 

[mrlaundry1011]

New AEG dryer

Saw the new aeg dryer in John Lewis - much bigger filter, new drum design and condenser position (also much bigger)

 

[henene4]

First T2 in somebody's hands:

 

[logixx]

LOL - just came here to post the video. I wonder if this is like a demo model from IFA or what. Aren't these supposed to launch in like four months?

 

[richnz]

Am I dreaming about an annoying fan type noise

Like here:


and

 

[henene4]

That noise - almost like a very fast ticking - that changes in frequency is the inverter compressor ramping up. Especially at very low speed, they sound somewhat like a fan not running completely smooth.
As with every dryer, the recorded noises are a bit exaggerated I would think - I don't think noise ratings have been out yet, but you'll hear some compressor noise with any heat pump dryer at some point.

And yes, was thinking the exact same - how did they get this?
It's on top of a Schulthess washer, so I rushed and checked the usual Swiss sites but couldn't find anything.
One store has the WQ1200 and the TQ1000 listed for sale, but at MSRP and not in stock.
Supposed release is in the first quarter of 2025 - so it could very well be that Miele *just* started series production and the very first few units got shipped somewhere somehow and somebody has some connections somewhere - at least with BSH it usually wasn't the case that internal people had much sooner access to nee models than everybody else.

 

[logixx]

He's got it as part of a product test. According to a YouTube comment, he's got it since last summer.

 

[henene4]

First W2 manual online

https://www.miele.de/f/de/gebrauchsanweisungen-5231.aspx?mNo=12702790&asDownload=1

I just search for WQ1, maybe you'll find it in your local language aswell.

 

[logixx]

Dryer, too.

https://www.miele.de/f/de/gebrauchsanweisungen-5231.aspx?mNo=12701390&asDownload=1

 

[henene4]

Well, now look at this: Only one TQ model, but a few WQ.

There is a WQ0900 aswell aparently.

 

[bewitched]

According to the spare parts catalog it seems that the tub of Miele WQ1000 is plastic. I am speechless. Pherhaps this is the entry level of the W2 family...

 

[henene4]

I saw the parts catalogue, too.

It is listed as "not a spare part" (which I'm not even certain is legal in the EU under right to repair law).

But the way the dampers are attached with a cross brace plate is what tripped me up.
The tub also looks like they typical stainless steel construction with the stamped profile.

So I just think they stopped providing those spare parts (tub, drum, bearings, seals, bearing cross and drum spider).
But that tub might/should/will probably be still stainless.

 

[richnz]

Part number 20

is where the springs attach to the outer drum at the rear and that looks like it always does on the stainless steel tub.

I don't see hoses from the water distributor to the rubber ring/gasket.
Perhaps no more water on the glass?

I don't see a steam generator (Perhaps on a future model?)
Is there a load sensor?

I still don't understand the difference between the 1000 and 1200 models.
One is longer in depth but they both have 9kg capacities and one gets to 1400rpm and the other 1600rpm.

If the wash action includes a pendulum to and fro action, won't the belt slip? Wouldn't a direct drive be a better option?

Looking forward to when it finally lands.

 

[henene4]

With the belt it's just a design thing.
If you design the belt to transmit a certain force, it will do just fine. Belts might be a bit wider and sizing of the pulley might be different to get a bigger portion of it touching the belt.
But I wouldn't be surprised if it just uses adapted rpms to get better pick up on certain cycles.
But that will still be the biggest thing to see: How will it do on typical loads and how is the action designed? And how will it handle floaty items like curtains?
I'm almost certain the added Bedding cycle on the washer is down to the new wash system and due to tangling or something.

I actually wasn't sure if the WQ1200 is 9 or 10kg.
Unfortunately, the tub units don't have material numbers to compare.

Miele basically implied the steam generator was on the way out with the new plastic tub units. Those got the refresh and stand alone preironing cycles without a steam gen, so they probably cut it in general as a cost saving measure.

Also, keep in mind these start cheaper than the current TOL, so the cost had to be cut somewhere.

Something interesting is that the 2 pumps appear to be 2 completely different designs.
The drain pump part title is pretty close to some other Miele Hanning pump model codes.
But the recirc pump is an MPP part name - which points towards a Miele in house design. Perhaps inverter driven?

 

[logixx]

Welk, there's this on Facebook

 

[henene4]

If it only does the quick alternating back and forth (was that LGs swing, or which of the 6 motions was it?) on partial loads, that would take some strain off if the drive components anyway.

But with certain loads (wool, light synthetics like the typical lacy kind of curtain) I'd be very interested in what the solution is there.
Cause you can't really use quick motions like the back and forth - but you can't really do normal tumbling either as they'll float or just not get moved enough by those bumps.

There's a fair share of wool cycles that barely manage to saturate a load, and I'm kind of worried that might end up the same...