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[henene4]

First W2 manual online

https://www.miele.de/f/de/gebrauchsanweisungen-5231.aspx?mNo=12702790&asDownload=1

I just search for WQ1, maybe you'll find it in your local language aswell.

 

[logixx]

Dryer, too.

https://www.miele.de/f/de/gebrauchsanweisungen-5231.aspx?mNo=12701390&asDownload=1

 

[henene4]

Well, now look at this: Only one TQ model, but a few WQ.

There is a WQ0900 aswell aparently.

 

[bewitched]

According to the spare parts catalog it seems that the tub of Miele WQ1000 is plastic. I am speechless. Pherhaps this is the entry level of the W2 family...

 

[henene4]

I saw the parts catalogue, too.

It is listed as "not a spare part" (which I'm not even certain is legal in the EU under right to repair law).

But the way the dampers are attached with a cross brace plate is what tripped me up.
The tub also looks like they typical stainless steel construction with the stamped profile.

So I just think they stopped providing those spare parts (tub, drum, bearings, seals, bearing cross and drum spider).
But that tub might/should/will probably be still stainless.

 

[richnz]

Part number 20

is where the springs attach to the outer drum at the rear and that looks like it always does on the stainless steel tub.

I don't see hoses from the water distributor to the rubber ring/gasket.
Perhaps no more water on the glass?

I don't see a steam generator (Perhaps on a future model?)
Is there a load sensor?

I still don't understand the difference between the 1000 and 1200 models.
One is longer in depth but they both have 9kg capacities and one gets to 1400rpm and the other 1600rpm.

If the wash action includes a pendulum to and fro action, won't the belt slip? Wouldn't a direct drive be a better option?

Looking forward to when it finally lands.

 

[henene4]

With the belt it's just a design thing.
If you design the belt to transmit a certain force, it will do just fine. Belts might be a bit wider and sizing of the pulley might be different to get a bigger portion of it touching the belt.
But I wouldn't be surprised if it just uses adapted rpms to get better pick up on certain cycles.
But that will still be the biggest thing to see: How will it do on typical loads and how is the action designed? And how will it handle floaty items like curtains?
I'm almost certain the added Bedding cycle on the washer is down to the new wash system and due to tangling or something.

I actually wasn't sure if the WQ1200 is 9 or 10kg.
Unfortunately, the tub units don't have material numbers to compare.

Miele basically implied the steam generator was on the way out with the new plastic tub units. Those got the refresh and stand alone preironing cycles without a steam gen, so they probably cut it in general as a cost saving measure.

Also, keep in mind these start cheaper than the current TOL, so the cost had to be cut somewhere.

Something interesting is that the 2 pumps appear to be 2 completely different designs.
The drain pump part title is pretty close to some other Miele Hanning pump model codes.
But the recirc pump is an MPP part name - which points towards a Miele in house design. Perhaps inverter driven?

 

[logixx]

Welk, there's this on Facebook

 

[henene4]

If it only does the quick alternating back and forth (was that LGs swing, or which of the 6 motions was it?) on partial loads, that would take some strain off if the drive components anyway.

But with certain loads (wool, light synthetics like the typical lacy kind of curtain) I'd be very interested in what the solution is there.
Cause you can't really use quick motions like the back and forth - but you can't really do normal tumbling either as they'll float or just not get moved enough by those bumps.

There's a fair share of wool cycles that barely manage to saturate a load, and I'm kind of worried that might end up the same...

 

[richnz]

The WMV960/963

had brushless drain and recirculation pumps and then the WWV980 went back to the regular type according to the online parts listing.
The WMV pumps also appeared to have an inverter board behind the pumps.

Cost cutting/supply issue or complexity management?

 

[l86810]

WQ1000

I noticed in the manual shared above that most cycles on the W2 models default to 3 rinses rather than 2, even for wool, delicates, and shirts.

I assume it uses much lower water levels to maintain the load's contact with the drum.

They've also removed the 'water plus' option (extra rinse remains) and also removed 'extra gentle'.

There may be few, if any, cycles where clothes float in the water. Hopefully, they've not gone too extreme