Is anyone out there as sick of this Presidential Campaign as I am? It has to be the ugliest, most racist, most fear-filled, most hate-filled(thanks to McSame, IMHO)race I've ever lived through. McSame may be a war hero, but he's an ugly man.
I'm Done!
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nmaineman36
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Tired ohhh yeah I am. Every time we watch tv its a commerical for McCain and then Obama and then its Jeanne Shaheen and then John Sununu. Makes me wanna gag. Its amazing living in the Boston area that we have political commercials for New Hampshire...and yes I know that people in NH and Maine get the Boston channels. But still c'mon I just cant wait til its over...why not be like Canada and have an election and get it over with. And get rid of the Electoral College...go by Popular Vote like everyone else does. Maybe if it had been by Popular Vote we might not be in this mess that this country is in and Gore would have been and should have been president instead of the President Numbnuts...my 3 cents.
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Hell, at this point I'd almost vote republican if they would all just promise to shut their traps.
Whoever wins, whoever loses, the culture wars must come to an end. We on the left are not going to ever make you on the right happy - and you on the right can not force your will upon us, this is a constitutional democracy. Like it or not, we are going to have to find an accommodation, if I may be forgiven my French...
Seriously, the last time I saw the nation this divided was in the 1850's and we all know how that ended.
Hell, at this point I'd almost vote republican if they would all just promise to shut their traps.
Whoever wins, whoever loses, the culture wars must come to an end. We on the left are not going to ever make you on the right happy - and you on the right can not force your will upon us, this is a constitutional democracy. Like it or not, we are going to have to find an accommodation, if I may be forgiven my French...
Seriously, the last time I saw the nation this divided was in the 1850's and we all know how that ended.
Exactly why I haven't listen to the news in months!!!!!
Personally, this campaign is bad, but nowhere near as bad as Bush/Kerry a few years ago.
Probably true at the national level, but here in California this time around we have four constitutional amendment proposals, all of which are attempts by the far right to shove their agenda down our throats (and bypass our legislature and judiciary).
That doesn't mean we've lost our sense of humor though..
"In the City by the Bay, a group that grandly calls itself the Presidential Memorial Commission is advancing a measure sure to draw worldwide comment if it passes. It would rename the Oceanside Treatment Plant in honor of the president.
Conceived over beers by a few friends who went on to gather some 12,000 signatures, the George W. Bush Sewage Plant would be "a fitting memorial for a truly outstanding Commander-in-Chief," according to the group's tongue-in-cheek ballot argument."
www.latimes.com
That doesn't mean we've lost our sense of humor though..
"In the City by the Bay, a group that grandly calls itself the Presidential Memorial Commission is advancing a measure sure to draw worldwide comment if it passes. It would rename the Oceanside Treatment Plant in honor of the president.
Conceived over beers by a few friends who went on to gather some 12,000 signatures, the George W. Bush Sewage Plant would be "a fitting memorial for a truly outstanding Commander-in-Chief," according to the group's tongue-in-cheek ballot argument."
Measures as diverse as the cities they come from
Ballot proposals would fund sand for beaches in Encinitas and name a sewage plant for Bush in San Francisco.
www.latimes.com
Gee, thanks Ken
...I'd nearly succeeded in forgetting (repressing?) Bush/Kerry.
As a yellow-dog democrat, you have no idea how much it hurts to see the democrats choose the least viable candidate every four years and then, at the very end, snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
This is, I think, one reason so very many folks are happy about Obama and, until he picked Palin, so many of us on the left weren't too bothered about McCain - for the first time in like forever, two candidates who are actually presidential material.
But enough is enough and, as I said - if they would all just promise to shut up, I'd almost vote republican.
Hell, if they promised not to start the 2012 campaign until October of 2012, I would vote republican.
...I'd nearly succeeded in forgetting (repressing?) Bush/Kerry.
As a yellow-dog democrat, you have no idea how much it hurts to see the democrats choose the least viable candidate every four years and then, at the very end, snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
This is, I think, one reason so very many folks are happy about Obama and, until he picked Palin, so many of us on the left weren't too bothered about McCain - for the first time in like forever, two candidates who are actually presidential material.
But enough is enough and, as I said - if they would all just promise to shut up, I'd almost vote republican.
Hell, if they promised not to start the 2012 campaign until October of 2012, I would vote republican.
laundromat
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I just received an email from a friend showing a clip where Howard Stern interviews three black people and questions them about their vote for B.O.and "his support against abortion and ending the war in Irac."Those are not supported by him but by Mc Caine!He also asks them their views on having his vice president runner being a female? again,this is Mc Caine he's speaking of,not Obama. These people said they were all for it.This means that there are a lot of people voting without any fucking clue what or whom they're voting for!!!They have no clue what these people are representing and the no not who is running for whom??????!!!!!!What a fucking circus!Peanuts please!!!
I'm done with it.
I sat down last night for 3 hours or so and studied my ballot, read about every candidate, googled anything I didn't know about, and voted. My ballot goes in the mailbox tomorrow and I'm done with it. It's pretty sad though that I'd glad I voted so I don't have to hear about this campaign anymore. I don't feel satisfied in the least bit about any of my choices. I just want it to be over with so I can move on and endure the next several years.
I sat down last night for 3 hours or so and studied my ballot, read about every candidate, googled anything I didn't know about, and voted. My ballot goes in the mailbox tomorrow and I'm done with it. It's pretty sad though that I'd glad I voted so I don't have to hear about this campaign anymore. I don't feel satisfied in the least bit about any of my choices. I just want it to be over with so I can move on and endure the next several years.
perc-o-prince
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And get rid of the Electoral College...go by Popular Vote
I agree 100% Mike. As I remember my history (admittedly not my best subject), the E.C. was put in place because the general population was considered too ignorant to be entrusted with choosing the Prez. However, now, in this age of nearly limitless information (good, bad, or indifferent), people can make an educated decision based on their personal standards or beliefs as to who should run the country.
This doesn't mean that they will make an educated decision (see the Howard Stern post and replies). But (I know, Mona, never start a sentence with a preposition), it's supposed to be a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and not a few chosen electors deciding (decidificating???) what's best for the people!
2 cents!
Chuck
I agree 100% Mike. As I remember my history (admittedly not my best subject), the E.C. was put in place because the general population was considered too ignorant to be entrusted with choosing the Prez. However, now, in this age of nearly limitless information (good, bad, or indifferent), people can make an educated decision based on their personal standards or beliefs as to who should run the country.
This doesn't mean that they will make an educated decision (see the Howard Stern post and replies). But (I know, Mona, never start a sentence with a preposition), it's supposed to be a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and not a few chosen electors deciding (decidificating???) what's best for the people!
2 cents!
Chuck
laundromat
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Right,I whole heartidly agree.Howard poled other folks randomely but there was a black gentleman in the same email who spoke direcly to those of his own race who had been"had" by Howard Stern regarding the issue and he was directing his own fear,anger and embarassment toward them directly.He was not at all showing any favoritism just trying to figure out why so many people of his own race poled were completely unaware of what is going on.They had no clew that the person he spoke of who is Mc Cane's running mate,not Obama's and that Obama is pro abortion,not Mc Cane .He's pleading with them to read the local papers and write down notes before they go and vote.It's your right.You fought for it.Please,for God's sake! don't vote without knowing who it is and what they represent before you pull that curtain!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!
I'm sort of lucky--I haven't seen much of Presidential election nastiness, at least first hand. TV ads, for example, for McCain appear to have stopped. I suppose he's given up in Washington--I'd be surprised if he had any hope. The last time Washington went for a Republican Presidential candidate was, I think, 1984.
But there are races that are still very much active, and are driving me absolutely crazy. I've come to the point of thinking that what Washington voters should do is get together in secret the next few days. Find some write in candidates. And send all these fighting politicians packing.
But there are races that are still very much active, and are driving me absolutely crazy. I've come to the point of thinking that what Washington voters should do is get together in secret the next few days. Find some write in candidates. And send all these fighting politicians packing.
One of the local TV stations ran a story about the SF sewage treatment plant measure. One lady of about 70 years old said she thought it was an insult to the sewage plant to name it after W.
If there is anything I'm sick of here, it's ads for and against Proposition 7, which is supposedly an attempt to push up the schedule to rely more on alternative energy sources. The "No on 7" ads began as soon as the primary was over and haven't let up. Apparently it's so poorly written and badly flawed that it won't likely be passed, but the utility companies aren't taking any chances.
I am also facing a problem with the registrar since my partner and I have not heard anything or received anything in the mail since sending in our change of address a while back. I'm afraid I may have to vote provisional on 11/4 or perhaps visit my local polling place to see if I'm on the roster, or head out to the other side of town and check at my old polling place. This is advice from my sister who has been a poll worker for the past few elections. She said provisional should be the last option based on how those votes are counted. One way or another, I am determined to make my vote for President count. We can't afford another Florida 2000 or Ohio 2004. I want this to be decisive, not a "mandate," which is what W. thinks you get when thanks to a bit of rigging by your cronies you barely squeak by. I saw an article in the paper today that asked whether or not the U.S. now needs foreign observers to make sure the elections here aren't messed with. How sad.
If there is anything I'm sick of here, it's ads for and against Proposition 7, which is supposedly an attempt to push up the schedule to rely more on alternative energy sources. The "No on 7" ads began as soon as the primary was over and haven't let up. Apparently it's so poorly written and badly flawed that it won't likely be passed, but the utility companies aren't taking any chances.
I am also facing a problem with the registrar since my partner and I have not heard anything or received anything in the mail since sending in our change of address a while back. I'm afraid I may have to vote provisional on 11/4 or perhaps visit my local polling place to see if I'm on the roster, or head out to the other side of town and check at my old polling place. This is advice from my sister who has been a poll worker for the past few elections. She said provisional should be the last option based on how those votes are counted. One way or another, I am determined to make my vote for President count. We can't afford another Florida 2000 or Ohio 2004. I want this to be decisive, not a "mandate," which is what W. thinks you get when thanks to a bit of rigging by your cronies you barely squeak by. I saw an article in the paper today that asked whether or not the U.S. now needs foreign observers to make sure the elections here aren't messed with. How sad.
pturo
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The electorial college was put into place to help give small States with small populations a stake in the elections.
We are a Federal System, not a true Democracy. We vote for people to vote for us. The number of electorial votes is based on the two Senators and plus how many Congressional Representatives assigned by population.
So, the minimum is 3, and the maximum, so far is 55(California). But California, just based on population would be 12% of the nations popular vote, but based on the electorial vote system of 55 out of 538, would only represent 10% of the electorial vote.
Conversely, poor Wyoming, with a population of only about 509,000 people,(I think that is the population of lower Manhattan) only represents about .2 % of the US population, but it's 3 Electorial votes give it .5% of the Electorial vote.
I think it helps level the playing field somewhat in representing state issues in the politics of a new President.
The 10th Amendment allows states to legislate themselves and make laws specific to them. "That which is not surrendered, is not up for grabs,or some such language."
Any attempt to get rid of the electorial college would run into a Supreme Court defense trial of the 10th Ammendment to the Constitution for states that wanted to uphold thier electorates.
I think it is not perfect, but better than the popular vote.
We are a Federal System, not a true Democracy. We vote for people to vote for us. The number of electorial votes is based on the two Senators and plus how many Congressional Representatives assigned by population.
So, the minimum is 3, and the maximum, so far is 55(California). But California, just based on population would be 12% of the nations popular vote, but based on the electorial vote system of 55 out of 538, would only represent 10% of the electorial vote.
Conversely, poor Wyoming, with a population of only about 509,000 people,(I think that is the population of lower Manhattan) only represents about .2 % of the US population, but it's 3 Electorial votes give it .5% of the Electorial vote.
I think it helps level the playing field somewhat in representing state issues in the politics of a new President.
The 10th Amendment allows states to legislate themselves and make laws specific to them. "That which is not surrendered, is not up for grabs,or some such language."
Any attempt to get rid of the electorial college would run into a Supreme Court defense trial of the 10th Ammendment to the Constitution for states that wanted to uphold thier electorates.
I think it is not perfect, but better than the popular vote.
toggleswitch2
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There was a nearby school highlighted on my local news that has accurately predicted the last 10 elections since 1968. They set up a vote for their students. They have never erred.
According to their results "Yo'-Momma" won the poular vote and "McSame" the Electoral college vote.
THIS SHOULD PROVE TO BE INTERESTING. If this actually happens, methinks the E.C. will be disbanded immediately afterwards.
According to their results "Yo'-Momma" won the poular vote and "McSame" the Electoral college vote.
THIS SHOULD PROVE TO BE INTERESTING. If this actually happens, methinks the E.C. will be disbanded immediately afterwards.
Early voted here in Arkansas along with my mother. It only took us about 5 minutes to get in to vote. I voted on a computer machine and my elderly mother (88 Years old) got to vote on a paper one. My wife did later that day so we won't have long lines to deal with. Last presidential election had to wait with my mother for 2 hours to voted and then another 1 1/2 at my polling place. Arkansas folks can still early vote until 6:00 pm today and from 10:00 am to 4:00 pm tomorrow. My county already has over 15,000 early voters. Please everyone vote no matter what we need a serious change for our country.
