"Improved" Tide with Bleach alternative powder

[mrsalvo]

Thank you Laundress. I was so impressed, I’m willing to pay more. The difference in cleanliness was quite noticeable, even linens that I thought were clean to begin with. There was no dinginess to them.
After I use my stash up, I’m switching over.
David, I will keep a sharp eye out for the F&G Stain Release. Thank you for mentioning the fading.
Again, thank you guys!

Barry

 

[angus]

I use both the powder F&G and liquid Ultra Stain release versions for my sister's laundry as she is way too sensitive to scents, etc... Also, I use the liquid Ultra Stain release for spot treating since I use a few different products for my own general laundry and don't want to have to have competing fragrances. Mind you I am not a fan of the overly heavy fragrances and "12 weeks of freshness" nonsense- but I do like some fragrance. Anyway, I digress - the F&G formula in both powder and liquid Ultra Stain release perform very well on both soil and stains as well as general brightening (with the liquid leading the pack). Here in Connecticut, the powder F&G is only available at WalMart and as mentioned earlier, only Target carries the F&G Ultra Stain release liquid. So being the good little detergent hoarder that I am, just stock up whenever I am in either store. Most of our supermarkets no longer carry any powders other than Tide original - everything else is pod or liquid (mostly Tide, Gain and some All products along with Arm & Hammer and Xtra). And I have noticed that supermarkets that carry Persil are few and far between.

 

[stan]

Has anyone

Tried this new Tide?
Plain Tide original scent is o.k (it doesn’t leave much)
I’m wondering if this has some horrid scent added that will leave one?

 

[angus]

If you mean the new Tide with Bleach powder (TWB) shown in the first posting here, yes, I have started using it for most of my laundry. I think this fragrance is the third iteration of scents with TWB. The first and original was around from its inception in the late 80's up to around 5 years ago - that one was really the best one. Then it changed to something really awful and I stopped using it - even careful dosing would leave a heavy unpleasant scent on the clothes - whether line or machine dried. Then this new version with its new packaging was introduced two or so years ago (don't recall the exact timing). Scent is not nearly as strong and with careful dosing any remaining scent is fairly faint and not objectionable. So I have gone back, since I like powders and have exhausted my stash of US Persil powder which no longer exists. The TWB powder still does a great job.

 

[stan]

Thanks Angus

I may give it a try

 

[stan]

Just happed to

look at my box of Tide original and noticed “sodium carbonate peroxide” and Bleach activator TAED.
So plain old Tide has some kind of bleaching action to it, otherwise why would it contain the TAED?

 

[launderess]

How interesting that P&G has switched to TAED bleach activator.

P&G poured tons of R&D into developing activated bleaching systems based upon sodium nonanoyloxybenzenesulfonate. NOBS is particularly suited to lower water temperatures and higher dilution washing historically found in USA laundering. This because obviously Americans historically used top loading washing machines with central beaters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_nonanoyloxybenzenesulfonate

https://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/10/business/technology-laboring-in-the-green-laundry-lab.html

Stan's box of Tide states it uses TAED plus sodium percarbonate as activated bleaching system. TAED long has been popular in Europe and American products for laundry and dishwasher that wanted an activated bleaching system but needed to get around P&G having patents for NOBS systems sewn up.

Late as 2015 TWB contained NOBS:

https://content.oppictures.com/Master_Images/Master_PDF_Files/pgc84998ct_sds.pdf

So why the switch? Will have to investigate.

 

[launderess]

@stan

Like regular Persil in Europe to best one one's knowledge most if not all versions of Tide powdered detergent contain oxygen bleach and an activator. Question is how far up the ingredient list they are which indicates how powerful the bleaching system is overall.

TWB and Tide "Turbo HE" powders have sodium peroxide carbonate and NOBS in top six ingredients.

https://www.whatsinproducts.com/types/type_detail/1/17451/standard/p class="p1">Tide%20Plus%20Bleach%20Laundry%20Detergent%20Powder,%20Original-04/20/2015/p>/16-030-758

https://www.whatsinproducts.com/types/type_detail/1/17442/standard/p class="p1">Tide%20HE%20Turbo%20Clean%20Laundry%20Detergent%20Powder,%20Original-04/17/2015/p>/16-030-749

But notice TWB has higher concentrations of oxygen bleach and activator than Tide "HE Turbo" powder.

Tide "Ultra Oxi" powder also has high concentrations of oxygen bleach and activator.

https://www.whatsinproducts.com/types/type_detail/1/22893/standard/p class="p1">Tide%20Ultra%20OXI%20Powder%20Laundry%20Detergent-09/29/2017/p>/16-033-624

Tide "Free and Gentle" powder has just small amount of oxygen bleach, but no activator.

https://www.whatsinproducts.com/types/type_detail/1/22894/standard/p class="p1">Tide%20Free%20and%20Gentle%20Powder%20Laundry%20Detergent-04/20/2015-1/p>/16-033-625

 

[launderess]

Knew read something awhile back....

P&G was going to terminate their agreement with supplier of NOBS (FutureFuels), Corp back in 2015. Two sides came to an later agreement and extended things until 2018.

https://www.happi.com/contents/view_breaking-news/2015-10-07/pg-extends-futurefuel-contract

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis...s-futurefuel-expects-adverse-impact-from.html

What things came down to is something we all here long have known; sales of powdered laundry and automatic dishwashing detergents have declined, a lot. P&G like Henkel, and Lever Bros largely has liquid/gel format products for laundry and automatic dishwashing, none of which of course can have oxygen bleach in any form. No oxygen bleach then no activator is needed.

P&G like Henkel, Lever Bros and some others still do offer powdered laundry detergents, boosters, and rest. There you still find oxygen bleaching systems and usually activators (at TOL and MOL range at least).

 

[stan]

Dear

I’m so glad this caught your attention as I figured you’d be one that would get to the bottom of it.
My interpretation is..plain old Tide ain’t so bad.
Plus the Tide original dose not have a horrid scent.
Maybe Angus can post a side pic showing ingredients of the new Tide version. So we can at least see order of ingredient placement ect

 

[qsd-dan]

I have almost gone through a 15 pound box of Tide Ultra Oxi powder and can highly recommend it for use, at least in a top loader. It's one of the very few detergents I like so far since I've been trying different brands.

 

It cleans well in all temps (85F, 120F, 160F), breaks down very fast in cooler (85F) temps, haven't noticed any residue even on black clothing but I use top loaders that rinse very well. No noticeable fading, which was a big concern. Fragrance is very light to almost undetectable. It has trumped a few of their liquids I have tried and doesn't leave a horrific scent.

 

This will most likely become the daily driver as long as they don't mess around with the formula and f- it up or discontinue it, both of which P&G is famous for.

[this post was last edited: 3/23/2023-20:15]

 

[volvoman]

@ qsd-dan

When you say that the fragrance is light and almost undetectable, please tell me that it's not that same, godawful sickly sweet scent that now passes for Tide original powder. I purchased a small box of that variety several months ago, and couldn't wait to be finished with it, because the scent was too cloying.

 

[qsd-dan]

Haven't used regular Tide powder since the 90's so I really couldn't say. It's absolutely nothing like their liquid detergents. Those are beyond awful.

 

[stan]

Ive never seen this before

Has anyone used this?

 

[launderess]

I have

Surprise, surprise.

Well not that exact incarnation but earlier versions of Tide "boost" are in my stash.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Tide-Boo...Laundry-Detergent-18-Pods-Pack-of-4/197080526

https://www.ebay.com/itm/403900085730

Looking at price seller is getting on fleaPay may be sitting on a gold mine. *LOL*

Both versions work well enough for activated oxygen bleaching with a "boost" of enzymes.

Originally Tide marketed these pods for those using liquid detergents which do not contain bleaching agents.

Only issue one is common to pods in general, irritating habit of sometimes not fully dissolving and leaving a gunky stuck on mess on items of wash. If not removed before things go into dryer things only get worse.

 

[Marky_Mark]

I use Tide with Bleach powder as one of my detergents.  I noticed that the box says it has 50% more bleach power versus Tide Original.  

 

In Europe, the percentage of bleach is stated on the packaging (including P&G detergents) but this is not the case in the USA.  So I emailed Tide a couple of years ago asking what the concentration of oxygen bleach is in Tide with Bleach powder and I was told that they couldn't tell me as it's a secret.

 

So it's interesting to see the links that Launderess has posted, which say that regular Tide powder contains 1-5% bleach and Tide with Bleach powder 5-10% bleach.  Some powders in Europe have 5-10% while others have more like 15-30%.  

 

[Marky_Mark]

The stores in Palm Springs do still carry a reasonable selection of powders.  But I've heard people elsewhere in the US say that they have difficulty finding powders in their area.  

 

I snapped this photo just over a year ago in my local supermarket:

 

[launderess]

Between 5% to 20% seems common for European powder detergents with bleach.

https://issuu.com/itq94/docs/442004_persil_non_bio_powder

 

[Marky_Mark]

Looking more closely at the listed ingredients for TWB in Launderess' link, as well as 5-10% sodium carbonate peroxide, I now see that it also lists sodium percarbonate but doesn't give a percentage.  So I'm not sure what to make of that -- aren't they the same thing anyway?

 

I also wanted to say that my interpretation of the "50% more bleach power than Tide Original" suggests to me that there may well have been absolutely no change whatsoever to the bleach content of Tide with Bleach powder at any point.  If anything has actually changed, it's probably that the bleach has been reduced in Tide Original but OTOH maybe nothing has changed and it's just a comparison of the two different products.

 

Mark

 

[appnut]

while others have more like 15-30%.

Mark is that why Europeans use the higher wash temps to fuly activate this higher percentage to get the whiting results?