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I am happy that our president to be comes from an aspirational background, but I'm nervous about a social democrat leader. Is anyone else besides me concerned about religious freedom and the possibility of government social engineering under a social democrat leader?

I hope I'm not pissing anyone off by asking this. I know that a lot of the AW people have opinions and convictions totally the opposite of mine, and I would like to hear them.

Thanks!
Chris
 
IMO your question is backwards. At least in the U.S., the vast majority of social engineering has come from organized religions and the private sector, not from our government. And in my view, as long as religions sponsor and campaign for constitutional amendments which declare me to be a permanent second-class citizen, and eliminate my basic human rights, I plan on doing whatever is necessary to put these fascist thugs out of business for good.
 
you have had eight years of social engineering.

Persecuting gays; denigrating all religions except one narrow interpretation of Christianity; denying reasonably priced health care to low income sick people; invading other countries on false pretexts; promoting energy sources that destroy the environment way beyond US national borders; that is social engineering on a global scale.

I am glad the US has finally elected a government that might actually do something good.

Chris.
 
Chris,

I hope you can feel comfortable asking any question - the liberals here, after all, weren't the ones threatening people with the FBI and writing nasty-o-grams complete with physical threats.

So yeah, no, I am not nervous. At a time when the fcucking christianists in your state just stripped homosexuals of human rights, why on earth would you be worried about social engineering on the part of the democrats?

Nor, to be exact is Obama a social-democrat. Here in Europe (where we do have human rights) we also have real social-democrats. By European standards, Obama would be somewhere in the conservative side of the German Christian Democratic Union (the Chancellor's party), or in the middle of the Christian Socialist Union (the party which ran Bavaria from 1954 to 2008 without interruption).

I think you have been listening to too many Evangelical Republicans, or maybe watching too much Faux news.

Seriously, I suggest in the coming days you try reading a few of these sources:
The Wall Street Journal
The blog on Belief.net: CrunchyCon
Ross Douthat at Atlantic
Peggy Noonan, private blog or WSJ

OK, I realize that by current republican standards, all these folks are on the furtherest, far-left Marxist-Leninist knee-jerk socialist fringe. But for those of us who live in the real world, they're considered moderate, temperate conservative voices.

Honey, at 28 it is time for you to start thinking for yourself. Social engineering...? Hell, I'd settle for a president who obeyed the Constitution and did nothing else. Compared to the last eight years in the US, that alone would be such a mighty step to the left (imagine, a strict constitutionalist!, Bobby-Jean, hide the chil'uns an' fetch me ma shootin' iron!).
 
Chris,

The threat is not from the President -- it is from the complete Democrat/liberal control that the President, both houses of Congress and the Supreme Court could have. Since they didn't get the super majority in the Senate and House, we're pretty safe. Time will tell...
 
Chris,
I'd love to discuss this with you, but I'm not going to do so. I love reading the posts on AW.org and sometimes even post myself. I've gleaned much useful information here and from all the fantastic photos of restorations and repairs and have read many funny and entertaining posts, but I have come to the conclusion that I am the most hated of people here. (I am unashamedly a Christian and a southerner.) I hold no ill will toward anyone on this board nor anyone else for any reason, and have never expressed such to anyone here. I feel quite unwelcome on this board, and from the posts above, the discussion would descend into a flame war. I absolutely avoid flame wars, as they can quickly become nasty, and I don't read this board for nasty comments. I'm a substitute teacher, and I can get all of the nasty comments I want at school. I read this board it to learn something, be enlightened and to be entertained with some of the very funny stories that are posted from time to time.
 
I love all the posts here. It's nice to see people have opinions, even ones that I don't agree with. If you post under a political or social thread, you should be prepared to be challenged.

Chris, we've talked elsewhere about this. No one's going to restrict your religious freedom. This country is very diverse. There are many interpretations about faith. That should be clearly evident by the number of different churches.

People aren't against others quietly practicing their faith. They're against having those beliefs crammed down their throats. Now before someone tells me that gay marriage is being crammed down their throat, please explain to me why it's wrong to grant gay couples the same social and legal protections that this government grants to hetero couples.
 
Old School Thinking

There is a majority of people out there that were brought up thinking it was morally wrong, as well as the fact that rural areas have only just begun to embrace gay people. And in that embrace, it still means, I like you to your face, but I deeply it still scares me that you are different. Therefore when they go to vote, as anonymous as it is.....they still fall back on that old school of thinking. It will take another decade or two to change the thoughts enough to make a difference. It is a hard road, but we must begin to speak up in our social circles and be heard. It is time more people start putting themselves in the shoes of gays and lesbians and feel how terrible it is to be second class citizens.
 
I am the most hated of people here.

Karmann,

Really? I thought I was! What a relief! Thanks for stepping up and taking that weight off my shoulders!

(restraining all I can from flaming your post)
 
Don't be silly Peter, you're still the most hated here. :-)

Have you made those plane reservations for this weekend in Omaha yet?

We don't hate anyone here. Many of us here are gay and have endured a lifetime of being hated, ridiculed and rejected because of our differences from "normal" people. Coincidentally, many of those who preach against us are the most extreme of Christians. Sometimes our reactions to those that would make us second-class citizens in a free country appear as genuine hatred, and for some that may be true, but as with any social changes that have occurred in this country through the generations (i.e. women's sufferage, civil rights, etc.) our struggle to be accepted and treated fairly is largely peaceful and non-violent. You cannot fight hate with hate but by using the very foundations of freedom and equality that this nation is built upon, our struggle will one day be over and we will have what we truly believe is rightfully ours.
 
After what we have had for the past 8 years, I think it will be good to see what somebody else can do. I interpret your question as the often-characterized perception of democrats as favoring more government intervention overall, but there's a broad spectrum of philosophies there, as everywhere, so I think it's much too early to be apprehensive about it. I say let's give him a chance, support him, and see what happens.
 
Have you made those plane reservations for this weekend in O

Peter come to Omaha this weekend, it would be so fun to see you and spend time with "AW's most hated member", lol.

pleeeeze :) It's been too long.
 

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