Jeep considers production in China
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cfz2882
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jeep in china
i don't know about now,but for a while,starting around 1984,jeep had a joint venture with a chinese automaker to do kit assembly of the small jeep cherokee-(xj?)There was also kit assembly of jeeps in egypt for a while.
i don't know about now,but for a while,starting around 1984,jeep had a joint venture with a chinese automaker to do kit assembly of the small jeep cherokee-(xj?)There was also kit assembly of jeeps in egypt for a while.
danemodsandy
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Don't Hold Much Hope....
....But I wish this would be the "offshoring" incident that resulted in NO SALE to the American public, sending an unmistakable message to Corporate America.
Sadly, We the Sheeple are putting up with a whole lot of stuff that would be within our power to change, if only we would vote with our feet and our pocketbooks.
....But I wish this would be the "offshoring" incident that resulted in NO SALE to the American public, sending an unmistakable message to Corporate America.
Sadly, We the Sheeple are putting up with a whole lot of stuff that would be within our power to change, if only we would vote with our feet and our pocketbooks.
cfz2882
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sounds like the chinese jeeps will be just for sale in china-so far the only chinese road vehicles i have seen have been motorcycles and scooters,but the earlier versions of the chevy equinox came with a chicom version of the old 60*chevy v-6,could hear an earlier equinox coming from a half mile away with all the clattering and piston slap LOL.The castings of this engine looked nasty too-rough,porous.I suspect GM may have used this engine to get the equinox's foreign content up enough to classify it as an "import"-for CAFE reasons...
I'm still trying to understand how Chrysler went broke after seeing the ads a few years ago with Dieter Zetsche pitching the brand. At least Dieter lost less money selling Chrysler to the mooks at Cerberus, than Cerberus did buying that boat anchor company, and unloading it to the Italians (i.e., Fiat).
Selling Jeeps to the Chinese would be less cruel than Fiat trying to reintroduce their lousy cars to the U.S. market, after selling their foil-wrapped turds here in the '60s and '70s...
There's a name in Vegas for this kind of manuver, and it can't be described in polite company.
p.s. Seriously, what kind of car company besides Chrysler would put left-handed lug nuts on a car? That was in the 1960s, and it was all downhill from there.
Selling Jeeps to the Chinese would be less cruel than Fiat trying to reintroduce their lousy cars to the U.S. market, after selling their foil-wrapped turds here in the '60s and '70s...
There's a name in Vegas for this kind of manuver, and it can't be described in polite company.
p.s. Seriously, what kind of car company besides Chrysler would put left-handed lug nuts on a car? That was in the 1960s, and it was all downhill from there.
lowegian . . .
If you dislike Fiats that's OK with me but there is no reason for rudeness. I had three X1/9s ranging from a '77 to an '87 and found them to be wonderful cars, simple and inexpensive to maintain and delightful to drive. Forty years ago when things like double overhead cam engines, four wheel disc brakes and five speed gearboxes were almost unknown to American manufacturers excepting the Corvette or other specialty models Fiat happily sold low priced sedans with all those features. It was also Fiat who pioneered the modern transverse front wheel drive layout used in many cars today with the Autobianchi Primula of 1964. BMC did transverse engines first with the Mini in '59 and then the 1100 in '62, but all those had the transaxle in the sump and shared engine and gearbox oil which was problematical. Fiat instead designed a very compact transaxle mounted on the end of the engine, thus paving the way for the majority of modern cars.
I see nothing wrong with making Jeeps in China and selling them to the Chinese. If Jeep doesn't do it then another company will fill the demand and make the profit, some of that money might as well come here. GM does very well there with Buick, can't see any problem with that either.
If you dislike Fiats that's OK with me but there is no reason for rudeness. I had three X1/9s ranging from a '77 to an '87 and found them to be wonderful cars, simple and inexpensive to maintain and delightful to drive. Forty years ago when things like double overhead cam engines, four wheel disc brakes and five speed gearboxes were almost unknown to American manufacturers excepting the Corvette or other specialty models Fiat happily sold low priced sedans with all those features. It was also Fiat who pioneered the modern transverse front wheel drive layout used in many cars today with the Autobianchi Primula of 1964. BMC did transverse engines first with the Mini in '59 and then the 1100 in '62, but all those had the transaxle in the sump and shared engine and gearbox oil which was problematical. Fiat instead designed a very compact transaxle mounted on the end of the engine, thus paving the way for the majority of modern cars.
I see nothing wrong with making Jeeps in China and selling them to the Chinese. If Jeep doesn't do it then another company will fill the demand and make the profit, some of that money might as well come here. GM does very well there with Buick, can't see any problem with that either.
arbilab
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No need to get huffy over car brands. Every one over 60 years has had a marque which in hindsight was laughable as an engineered product, including some of the most expensive.
At one recent time, BMW and Mercedes were tied in Consumer's for worst initial quality.
It took TWELVE returns to the dealer to get my 82 VW sorted, and it still overheated in a hot climate. There are more auto brands I would NOT buy than those I might. I won't list which are which, it surely would offend someone.
At one recent time, BMW and Mercedes were tied in Consumer's for worst initial quality.
It took TWELVE returns to the dealer to get my 82 VW sorted, and it still overheated in a hot climate. There are more auto brands I would NOT buy than those I might. I won't list which are which, it surely would offend someone.
Better Jeep owns the factory than someone fakes them - I believe that there already was a fake jeep sold in China.
I like the new Fiat 500, waiting to see how reliable they are before taking the leap (or a Volvo Amazon).
I like the new Fiat 500, waiting to see how reliable they are before taking the leap (or a Volvo Amazon).
philr
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Lowegian,
Chrysler wasn't the only US manufacturer to put left-threaded nuts on their cars in the 1960's. GM did this too in the early sixties...
And China has been making Jeeps for years! I think were already selling XJ Beijing-Jeep Cherokees many years ago even before Chrysler bought Jeep back from Renault! The funny thing about this is that Chrysler bought Jeep just after Renault/AMC replaced the Chevy 2.8 and the Chrysler Torqueflite transmission with an updated version of the AMC inline 6 that Mexicans had already been installing in the VAM-Jeep XJ and an Aisin-Warner (Toyota) transmission. Chrysler didn't go back to one of their own transmissions and continued to use the Toyota transmission until the end of the production of the XJ Cherokees. They had at least one automatic transmission that didn't fail too often in their lineup!
The Chinese are also making/selling more Buicks in China now than in North America (Buick was the division with the left-threaded wheel nuts at GM so maybe this is related after all!)... And they get some fancier models than we do!
http://insidechina.onehotspots.com/spotted-in-china-beijing-jeep-super-cherokee/73320/
Chrysler wasn't the only US manufacturer to put left-threaded nuts on their cars in the 1960's. GM did this too in the early sixties...
And China has been making Jeeps for years! I think were already selling XJ Beijing-Jeep Cherokees many years ago even before Chrysler bought Jeep back from Renault! The funny thing about this is that Chrysler bought Jeep just after Renault/AMC replaced the Chevy 2.8 and the Chrysler Torqueflite transmission with an updated version of the AMC inline 6 that Mexicans had already been installing in the VAM-Jeep XJ and an Aisin-Warner (Toyota) transmission. Chrysler didn't go back to one of their own transmissions and continued to use the Toyota transmission until the end of the production of the XJ Cherokees. They had at least one automatic transmission that didn't fail too often in their lineup!
The Chinese are also making/selling more Buicks in China now than in North America (Buick was the division with the left-threaded wheel nuts at GM so maybe this is related after all!)... And they get some fancier models than we do!
http://insidechina.onehotspots.com/spotted-in-china-beijing-jeep-super-cherokee/73320/
yogitunes
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The only thing with the foreign market is ANY car built here and shipped over there, cannot be sold, or driven on their roads, until it is 2 years old, yet they can send brand new cars here and we can buy them right away.....
fair trading should have equal rules set for both sides.......
fair trading should have equal rules set for both sides.......
Yogi, don't think you're quite right. Some Cadillacs and the Buick Enclave (mfd in US) sold in China are manufactured here in the US. There's a free market between Canada, US and Mexico. The Dodge Journey (mfd in Mexico) is available throughout Europe as the Fiat Freemont (and sells quite well).
whirlaway
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Lug Nuts
Chrysler was doing left lug nuts from the 1940s,I have a 48 and 56 Desoto with the same set up,they were really lug bolts not nuts,and when your driving it keeps them from coming loose,thats why they did it.Roads were not very good and folks lost lug nuts and wheels from potholes and the like.
Chrysler was doing left lug nuts from the 1940s,I have a 48 and 56 Desoto with the same set up,they were really lug bolts not nuts,and when your driving it keeps them from coming loose,thats why they did it.Roads were not very good and folks lost lug nuts and wheels from potholes and the like.
volsboy1
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I just have never cared much for Jeeps. Maybe it because, I rolled a CJ5 well not me my friend did and I sold my Jeep after that.
It don't surprise me much about China because it's such a huge market and somebody else will is very true.
I loved the Fiat Abarth that I drove and I have thought about buying one but, it's kind a hard to justify car payments when my
Honda still runs so good.
It don't surprise me much about China because it's such a huge market and somebody else will is very true.
I loved the Fiat Abarth that I drove and I have thought about buying one but, it's kind a hard to justify car payments when my
Honda still runs so good.
launderess
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Those Fiat Cars Sold By Chrysler
Cannot speak for elsewhere in the USA but here in NYC those little Fiat 500 cars are everywhere especially in Manhattan.
While not exactly everyone's cup of tea they seem perfectly suited to urban driving. Their size makes them rather easy to park in tight spaces which is all too common in NYC where often spots can be hard to find.
Cannot speak for elsewhere in the USA but here in NYC those little Fiat 500 cars are everywhere especially in Manhattan.
While not exactly everyone's cup of tea they seem perfectly suited to urban driving. Their size makes them rather easy to park in tight spaces which is all too common in NYC where often spots can be hard to find.
whirlcool
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but in the rest of the country sales of the Fiat have been a dog. Chrysler fired the woman in charge of the importation of this car earlier this year. They are now offering 60 month 0% interest loans on them (to those who are VERY qualified).
It would make a nice "chic car", but I have seen men & women driving them. The Mini is the choice of Daddie's to give their little girl's as gifts.
It would make a nice "chic car", but I have seen men & women driving them. The Mini is the choice of Daddie's to give their little girl's as gifts.
A buddy of mine bought one of the first new 500s available and seems very pleased with it. It replaced an Alfa 164 which he loved and hated: he loved the Alfa's nice twincam V6, hated the very large size of that car. He commutes by himself so the 500 has more than enough space but he also has no complaints when he takes it on a 400 mile round trip from LA to Fresno to visit his elderly mother. His car is a base model as that's all that was available when he bought it, but it has adequate power, decent gear ratios and a good shift linkage so city driving is pleasant. I didn't have the chance to push it in a corner (not something I'd do with someone else's shiny new car!) so I can't comment much on the handling but Fiat typically gets that right. It didn't feel as special as one of my old X1/9s, but after a quarter-million miles and two decades of driving those I admit to being a bit prejudiced!
launderess
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Lots of "Minis" Here As Well
One thinks the appeal of the Fiat 500 and similar "tiny" cars is they are easy to manouver and drive around often congested Manhattan. Again because of their size these small cars will fit where often the new Civic will not.
Indeed there seems to have been a size creep for small cars like the Civic, Beetle and so froth. Saw the 2012 VW Beetle in local garage and was surprised at how much larger it has grown. Still only a two door thing, but certainly larger than what one is used to seeing.
One thinks the appeal of the Fiat 500 and similar "tiny" cars is they are easy to manouver and drive around often congested Manhattan. Again because of their size these small cars will fit where often the new Civic will not.
Indeed there seems to have been a size creep for small cars like the Civic, Beetle and so froth. Saw the 2012 VW Beetle in local garage and was surprised at how much larger it has grown. Still only a two door thing, but certainly larger than what one is used to seeing.
Oh come on...
If its on the internet, it must be true, right? Did anyone bother going to the horse's mouth to check this out?
http://blog.chryslerllc.com/blog.do?id=1932&p=entry
If its on the internet, it must be true, right? Did anyone bother going to the horse's mouth to check this out?
http://blog.chryslerllc.com/blog.do?id=1932&p=entry
Thanks estesguy for posting
operative words in that were "unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments"
operative words in that were "unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments"
arbilab
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A corporate denial plus a dollar will get you a free coffee refill at Denny's.
November 2000 at Dell rumors of layoffs were running rampant. The company denied them. In February, they happened. The survivors (me) were told "that's all, if you're still here you're here to stay". In May myself and 5000 others who had been told the same thing were sent home.
So no, a corporate blog is not a horse's mouth. More like the other end.
November 2000 at Dell rumors of layoffs were running rampant. The company denied them. In February, they happened. The survivors (me) were told "that's all, if you're still here you're here to stay". In May myself and 5000 others who had been told the same thing were sent home.
So no, a corporate blog is not a horse's mouth. More like the other end.
Take off the tinfoil hat...C'mon....the Jeep plants here and Toledo are working 3 shifts a day and coining money for Chrysler. They're looking to extend the brand into China (where they began production in 1984 in a joint venture) more so than importation will allow. All big auto is in China in a big way (VW/Toyota/GM) or want to be (Ford/Chrysler/Fiat). As stated upthread: a solely import strategy is not appropriate for big markets anywhere in the world...if a country/region can support a full plant's worth of production (minimum 100k units/year) they are going to get a plant. You then import to supplement that plant's production (broaden the lineup). Only place GM produces but really doesn't do any importing is Uzbekistan, where we've got a plant and there are really really bad duties...Chevrolet has the highest market share anywhere in the world there (80%, I believe).
Romney
Humm...., why would the not tell the truth?
Because people refuse to get the real truth but love to tell lies and make others believe in them!
SMH
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Humm...., why would the not tell the truth?
Because people refuse to get the real truth but love to tell lies and make others believe in them!
SMH
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Looks like some of the Chinese Jeep story has roots in a bunch of misleading ads by the Romney campaign who have kept running them even after a denial by none other than Fiat CEO Sergio Marchionne.
http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/bogus-jeep-china-ad-romney-draws-fire-obama-203642902.html
http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/bogus-jeep-china-ad-romney-draws-fire-obama-203642902.html
yogitunes
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You mis-understood me...we DO ship across the pond...its just they have rules against any new foreign car being driven on their streets until its 2 years old.....My nephew is stationed in China, and bought a 2010 car, he can't wait for the New Year so he can drive it....
My father worked for Jeep when they were made by AMC......he was also a mechanic for them in WWII.....a JEEP like any other SUV will not simply Roll Over with out the aid of a Driver who does not have it under control and know its limitations of such vehicle, not to mention handling characteristics.....This is my second Jeep Grand Cherokee, after owning a CJ-7 and an AMC Eagle.....and have been capable of raising one, if not two wheels off the ground, and never rolling either vehicle over!....Instructions are right on the sunvisor of how these vehicles will react different than a regular car......when one drives careless, and doesn't know how to handle such vehicle, accidents happen!
My father worked for Jeep when they were made by AMC......he was also a mechanic for them in WWII.....a JEEP like any other SUV will not simply Roll Over with out the aid of a Driver who does not have it under control and know its limitations of such vehicle, not to mention handling characteristics.....This is my second Jeep Grand Cherokee, after owning a CJ-7 and an AMC Eagle.....and have been capable of raising one, if not two wheels off the ground, and never rolling either vehicle over!....Instructions are right on the sunvisor of how these vehicles will react different than a regular car......when one drives careless, and doesn't know how to handle such vehicle, accidents happen!
It looks like that supposed Jeep production in China has something to do with all new vehicles sold there have to have a place that makes them in that country. And Jeep wants to tap into it, just like Ford and GM have. They are spending money on the factory to pick up the increased production in this country and supposidly have absolutely no plans to import anything. I saw both sides did not like that comment.
Wow, a good spirited thread.
The only reason we recognize "Jeep" as a brand name is because of a government procurement contract for a light utility military vehicle ca. 1938. The Bantam Motor Company had the best design, but Kaiser Motors and Ford were selected to build Bantam's design, because the government had concerns about how Bantam could make production targets. Kaiser Motors got the post-WWII rights to the Jeep and Kaiser Motors eventually got absorbed into American Motors, which eventually went to Chrysler. Chrysler, of course, went broke in the early 1980s, but Lee Iacocca convinced the House and Senate to bail them out.
That's not to say that Ford gave up on the military light utility vehicle market. In the 1960s, Ford had the M-151, which, if a reasonable person could actually believe, was a more dangerous vehicle than the old WWII MB Jeep. There were more servicemen killed in motor vehicle accidents with the M-151 than any military vehicle ever built.
I'm sure that Mitt "Gordon Gecko" Romney knows that, since his dad ran American Motors. But all is fair in presidential elections, and Mitt can claim whatever it takes to try to win the Presidency, and establish wards and tithing in middle America.
All good stories come to an end, and Ford sold their M-151 chassis design to AM General in the early 1970s to build mail trucks for the Postal Service, so no good deed goes unpunished. And AM General became the company that developed the Humvee.
The moral of the story is, there's always lots of money to be made off government contracts.
Some things never change.
The only reason we recognize "Jeep" as a brand name is because of a government procurement contract for a light utility military vehicle ca. 1938. The Bantam Motor Company had the best design, but Kaiser Motors and Ford were selected to build Bantam's design, because the government had concerns about how Bantam could make production targets. Kaiser Motors got the post-WWII rights to the Jeep and Kaiser Motors eventually got absorbed into American Motors, which eventually went to Chrysler. Chrysler, of course, went broke in the early 1980s, but Lee Iacocca convinced the House and Senate to bail them out.
That's not to say that Ford gave up on the military light utility vehicle market. In the 1960s, Ford had the M-151, which, if a reasonable person could actually believe, was a more dangerous vehicle than the old WWII MB Jeep. There were more servicemen killed in motor vehicle accidents with the M-151 than any military vehicle ever built.
I'm sure that Mitt "Gordon Gecko" Romney knows that, since his dad ran American Motors. But all is fair in presidential elections, and Mitt can claim whatever it takes to try to win the Presidency, and establish wards and tithing in middle America.
All good stories come to an end, and Ford sold their M-151 chassis design to AM General in the early 1970s to build mail trucks for the Postal Service, so no good deed goes unpunished. And AM General became the company that developed the Humvee.
The moral of the story is, there's always lots of money to be made off government contracts.
Some things never change.
I know this is an old thread, but I just wanted to mention that Chrysler is simply getting BACK into producing Jeeps in China.
China requires 50% partnerships with a Chinese company to sell in China, and places restrictive tariffs on US Imports. Chrysler will either have to build them in China, or loose the market entirely.
If either of these politicians were honest with the American people, they would insist on FAIR trade, not one-way giveaways of the American market. BTW, the same thing is killing US appliance manufacturers.
There is much more to be read about trade policy here:
http://www.fairimage.org/worldtradepolicies.htm
China requires 50% partnerships with a Chinese company to sell in China, and places restrictive tariffs on US Imports. Chrysler will either have to build them in China, or loose the market entirely.
If either of these politicians were honest with the American people, they would insist on FAIR trade, not one-way giveaways of the American market. BTW, the same thing is killing US appliance manufacturers.
There is much more to be read about trade policy here:
http://www.fairimage.org/worldtradepolicies.htm
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