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I would take a Speed Queen over an LG anytime. As a matter of fact, my current Speed Queens replaced a set of LG's that were less than 18 months old.

Malcolm
 
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I highly doubt that the neighbor's new LG will be around longer than THIS Speed Queen!It is in barely used condition and is made of far Superior materials to any modern washer...............Besides that what use it did get was from a little old elderly couple who fastidiously took care of and babied everything.
 
SOLID TUB SQ LONGEVITY

There is a reason that solid tub reversing motor SQs are so rare. They were among the least durable automatic washers of the 1970s. Very very few of them made it out of the 1980s.

 

I have two solid tub SQs in our collection and I feel that they are very interesting and good collectable washers. But the SQ design was heavily based on 1950s technology and many key parts such as the water pump, top agitator shaft seal were not durable designs. And things got worse when they took out the agitate and spin solenoids to reduce the cost of building the machine. The final blow to durabllbly was when they added a fast break in the mid 1970s as this caused a lot of expensive to fix basket drive failures, which in turn caused many of the later ST SQs to be junked early.

 

I would be interested to know what materials that are used in the construction of washing machines today that are not in-fact far better than what were used in the 1970s. From what I see plastics, rubber, finishes and other coatings and even the steel are much better than they were 30 years ago. Just look at how durable cars are now, they barely even rust anymore.
 
Preaching to the Choir

As John points out, we have more advanced materials today- plastics that can withstand greater impacts and temperature extremes, more stable rubber compounds, advanced plating techniques, etc. However, the reason our classics run circles around the new machines is obvious- the bottom line is manufacturing cost, not advancement. New machines are built to give the consumer exactly what they want- a cheap machine that looks expensive.

The number of '06 series Maytags humming along in midwest basements, decade after decade, is a testament to the "robust design" philosophy that was part of the industry. We all now there is simply no way a manufacturer could produce a machine like that today. Switch assemblies with individual springs and terminals, screwed into place rather than a slot and rivet method. Pushbuttons with distinctive part numbers (inventory and QC), a porcelain tub (multiple processes to one part, and costly), a motor with line-voltage rated windings of adequate horsepower. Steel case stampings of adequate gauge that they don't require reinforcing ribs. And so on.

Plastic parts don't require painting, they can come right from the supplier, be snapped into place on the front of the machine, and the sticky-backed, multi-button overlay with graphic pressed into place. No tools required. A single PCB with membrane switches and processor mounts from the back. Maybe there's a couple screws in there, but if manufacturer A finds a way to do it with one less, competitor B will find a way to beat them.

Of course we're dealing with inductive loads like water valves and motor windings. Interfacing with low-voltage digital electronics means we need "protective" components in the interface. These can often cost more than the processor and software (yes, there is firmware in there) running the machine. Just which parts do you think get marginalized first as a cost-cutting measure? Put all this in a damp environment, add vibration, and put on your EE hat. The list of potential component failures that can turn that machine into a paperweight gets pretty long. Contrast this to the old model - timer contacts and a motor with capacitor start. That's it. A failure is bound to be mechanical because the electrical system is up to the task.

We have GE to thank for value engineering, but the impetus was manufacturing during WWII. Advancements in technology allowed design to evolve to the point where systems and components did not require "over building". If a stamped bracket will survive 5 years of service before metal fatigue causes failure, why are we paying double to cast this part? The problem is, instead of using this approach to optimize design, manufacturers used this approach to build-in obsolesence. We're now in a race to the bottom.
 
John,

I think you are wrong.......IMO the reason you don't see many SQ solid tub washers around is because they did not have a tremendous market share like KM, WP or GE...but, LAUNDROMATS and Laundry Rooms all over the NYC area in the seventies, had nothing BUT SQ solid tub washers, so your theory that they were not built well doesn't hold water with me. Many of those solid tub machines were used well into the eighties if not the early nineties commercially. Please do not give me the argument that matierials are better today than yesterday.....Why do cars need air bags in every corner??? Cars are made of plastic now instead of metal....When you got in an accident years ago, the car protected you, now you need air bags for protection because there is no metal to protect you, just plastic....Todays products are far less superior in build quality than 30 or 40 years ago. Five years from now that SQ washer, will STILL be running vs. the LG with the same usage. I will take that bet, and I'll double down!!! The LG will be in a landfill, while the SQ might need a repair, the LG won't be worth the money to repair.
Mike
 
speed queen reliability,ST era

once in 1989,i found a laundromat still running turquoise mid-60s era SQs-that was
a real delight to see those still going(they probably had a shed full of "parts"
machines and a real dedication to keeping these going)On the other hand i found
a couple late-'70s era speed queens at the dump in 1982-83,one was a fancy model
with a little occillating pump to pump bleach or fabric softener-kept the little
pump and still have it somewhere....
In my area,i haven't even seen a solid tub speed queen in over 20yrs
 
Thanx for the Speed Queen Support guys!

My Speed Queen Rocks and will for a long time coming!I plan to use it gently and lovingly as possibly believe me!I have the WP Cabrio to do the big heavy stuff!(although the SQ has no trouble with big loads)I plan to use it for my personal clothing (especially whites) and not comforters,I hope to hand it down to one of my neices one day..........
 
Just discovered something.....

Seems as though we thought this was an FA9101 washer but I just looked more closely at the model # and it reads DA9101W and Serial # 247N1169 does anyone know what this means as to the age of this washer and why does it look just like the scanned in brochure on here for the FA9101 washer?Still hunting for a fab soft disp too put in a couple parts requests.....
 
Could the model differences be of the capacity.....I have a DA6071, its standard size......those larger ones are extremely rare....how deep is your tub?

you can't always go by brochures either, by the time their printed and the actual machine come out of the assembly line, several changes may have occurred....it just happens....
 
Thanks for the info

I am glad to know that my washer is older than originally thought!To me,that makes it all the cooler since it is in such good shape.Goes to show that newer is not always better...
 
Size Matters!

at 14 inches, its standard capacity

for large capacity it should be about 16 inches....

in any machine, 2 extra inches can make a world of difference, but these are rare

these reversing motor models fascinate me, especially that they can still pump out overflo water during agitation.......and the mechanism that makes it shift in/out of agitation, I just learned how to adjust this so it fully releases during spin, also the belt should be left slightly loose, too tight and the pulley will not slide up and down properly.....but preference goes to the banging solenoids, non-stop wash to spin action, and the sound of that continuous pump as it cavitates with water and air..........but fun machines no matter which one....

love the agitator indented stainless steel tub, and the aireated fill, and the movement of that 210 degree stroke, in a transe as you can stare at it for hours....lol

shoot a video of it if you can....
 
you know John, thats something I never did measure was the 210.....its a very quick stroke to watch, and it must have to do with that arc-Q-matic tranny, it almost snaps in both directions creating an unusual wash action.....

I fell in love with these machines from the first day that I ever saw one.......
 
True Love

I too was fascinated and continue to be fascinated with watching the agitation action of the solid tub SQ's. I think it reduces stress much like watching a fish tank.

Could watch for hours. And I have been known to loop a youtube playlist of SQ videos of a machine in action for long periods of time.

There must be a support group for people like me....

Malcolm
 
Addictions?......

like in a laundromat, seeing them all lined up and running.....

isn't that why were here Malcolm, our own little support group, THAT encourages us to watch all the more, but for some odd reason it is a calming effect....

I too have watched the Youtube videos, over and over, but nothing like seeing them in person, just that aireated fill alone calms me down in a second.....

I wonder if we could create a demo, like a water fountain, recirculating the water thru the fill flume......not like we haven't used an old wringer as a planter in our yards.......with the water, we could turn it into an oasis, disguised as a birdbath!......lol

Sorry guys, I could talk Speed Queen all day.....
 
I am addicted too!

I must admit spend alot of time in the basement watching the Speed Queen.I like the wash action,flotation rinse and all the solenoid clunks as it changes from agitation to spin and when the bleach pump goes....I have started to collect spare parts so I can be sure to keep it running for years to come.
 
This is a solenoid version?....I would have thought reversing motor......

how about a pic behind the front panel?....I'm curious....not to mention how that water level switch works
 
Water Level

If my memory serves me correctly, the water level switch is controlled by a separate fill tank in the back corner of the cabinet. A portion of the water is diverted to the tank and pressure monitored in that location. Genius actually. Had a solenoid reversing machine similar to this model back in the late 80's. The water level was way out of adjustment and there was an issue with the agitate such that it wouldn't stay in gear under heavy load. The spring loaded actuator was weak or needed some sort of adjustment. I never had the opportunity to correct any of its issues and it got away from me before I knew what a gem it was.

Malcolm
 
Agitate adjustment

I just discovered how to make this adjustment, mine was almost agitating while spinning, and made one hell of a racket, the adjustment is on top of the transmission pulley, and took a little practice to get it right, but now it completely releases......

a new pump, proper belt tensions, and a little grease on the fluid drive bearing.....this puppy is silent.....freakin superb operation

these reversing machines would have been better with a rapid advance timer, just to lower the delay between wash and spin......that pause seems like eternity
 
It does have a reversing motor

I believe there is a solenoid too because when this washer stops agitating and before spin there is a sharp metalic clunk when the timer advances.At this time also is heard a trickling of water then 15 seconds later it goes into spin.It surprised me how fast this washer spins out the water too!It only takes about 17 seconds for all the water from a full load to empty into our laundry sink.I will soon remove the front panel and get a pic for you guys to see.........If I had a way to do a video I would because I know all you other washer folks would go nuts!Someday.....Maybe when I change up phones I will get a smart phone and do it then...My Samsung Intensity doesn't shoot videos.
 
That could be from what Malcolm was explaining about this chamber used for the pressure fill, and then the solenoid allows it to empty and reset for the next fill.....

you would know if it was a banging solenoid unit, kicking into wash is loud enough, but when it shifts from wash to spin, theres 2 solenoids banging at the same time, my dog jumps and barks everytime it happens, music to my ears...

the 2 bladed pumps are powerful, my first one had a 6 bladed pump, and good thing too, it had to pump up 6 feet, even in gentle it had no problem....
 
There is a solenoid on the tank that holds the water used for measuring the level in the wash tub. Part of the water is diverted from the fill and a pressure switch is used to control the amount entering the wash tub. During the pause between agitate and spin, the solenoid opens a valve allowing the diverted water to drain into the outer tub. I always liked that sound. I never had a bleach pump that worked, they were pretty troublesome - abuse by users and the corrosive nature of bleach took their toll.
 
Bleach pump

My bleach pump is still working fine,however there was some leakage of the plastic tube that holds the bleach.It was cracked at the bottom where the U-shaped hose goes,so I used some GE silicone to seal it up.Works Great!No more Drip!
 
Dude

you have one superb gem there, with a little TLC will give you years of joy....I know mine do.....

Enjoy!

I wouldn't worry too much about that dispenser, although nice to have all accessories, I always hated to block the sight of the wash action, and with those overflo rinses, suds should not be an issue, I like watching mine create a sudscake, and then for the overflo to kick on and flush it all away, and that machine to take off on spin without a sudslock condition....also for those pumps to handle removal of all that water in seconds....priceless!
 
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