Laundry liquid or powder ?

[MrX]

I've tried lots of different liquids and none of them seem to be capable of shifting things like pasta sauce stains. Where as powders, even colour (non-bleaching) ones produce excellent results without fuss.

I'm using Persil Super Gel in Belgium at the moment simply because that's all that was available locally in a convenience store and I didn't want to go the whole way to the proper supermarket

 

[tolivac]

Bottles and plastic bins made from petrochemicals---but boxes made from trees-neither could be considered really green.I HATE boxes-so inconvenient and messy.Plus the detergent won't "keep" in them Loved the "petrochemical" jar Fresh Start came in.So convenient in the days of apartment laundramats-boxes would always spill--making a mess.The Fresh Start bottle sealed well-no spilling-and measuring from the bottle to its caps easier.For boxes-you needed the "scoop" like thing and pouring from the box into it always was a mess.Same thing for pancake and otther food mixes-GET RID of those stupid boxes and put them in a binlike jar.would be easier-and they would keep better.Mice can chew thru boxes-and smell thru them too,but have difficulty chewing thru the bottles.

 

[aquacycle]

@tolivac

Funny you should mention your dislike of boxes, my sister has the same thing. She buys huge boxes of Persil at Day to Day or Makro (wholesalers) and empties the entire thing into a plastic, reuseable box that she has on top of her washing machine - it's like one of those under-bed storage boxes with the clips on either side. She finds it keeps the detergent from going all over the floor when scooping it out and it means she can chuck the cardboard box straight in the recycling.

 

[tolivac]

For green folks out there-the detergent and other similar boxes aren't recycled out my way-they go into the dump compactor---then to the landfill.If you have curb trash pickup here-the boxes go into the trash truck-then to the dump.detergent bottles go into the recycling bin-the bin is emptied into a recuycler vehicle-compartments-pulled by a pickup truck in my area-small town.In larger cities-recycling vehcles are larger and have bigger compartments-some have a sliding compactor head the driver can slide over a bin-and compact the contents-of course the bottles make a delightful breaking and crunching sound.And--some single stream recyclers just use a beat up rear load compactor truck to pick up recycling goods-you separate them into your bin-but they get mixed and crushed together in the RL truck!Must be something for the recycling center to separate that.

 

[chuffle]

And not to take this thread totally away from the topic...

...living in my part of rural Pennsylvania, we do not have mandatory recycling - ours is voluntary. Those of us who wish to recycle, must take recyclables to a collection center provided by the county. In my garage, I have four totes, one each for metal, glass, PETE and HPDE plastics, and waste paper and corrugated cardboard. At the collection point, I have to further separate my recyclables into aluminum and steel, clear, brown, green glass, and paper, and cardboard. I do it when my bins are full, but the majority of folks on my road chuck everything into the weekly trash pick-up, as it is more convenient. Every year or so, the county places a notice in the local newspaper, stating that due to under-use, the voluntary collection centers may be discontinued.

Joe

 

[danemodsandy]

Tolivac:

With all due respect to your preferences and position, there's some difference between petrochemical-based bottles and cardboard boxes.

It's true that both use resources. But trees are a renewable resource; when you cut one down to make cardboard boxes, you can plant another.

Once you've pumped oil out of the ground and used it, you have depleted the amount of oil left on Earth; there will never be more than there is. Every day there is less.

Also, if these two things end up in a landfill, the outcome is very different. A plastic bottle takes decades to degrade, and puts chemicals like BHT (butylated hydroxytoluene; look it up sometime for an eye-opening read) into the soil. A cardboard box decomposes quickly, and puts fewer chemicals into the soil, though the printing on a box can contribute some.

I think your sister's approach is a good compromise between convenience and ecology - even though her storage container is plastic, it's durable plastic that won't get thrown out after one use. Her discarded cardboard boxes are not the problem that plastic bottles can be.

 

[tolivac]

Landfill decomposition----In modern landfills-trash buried in them no matter what---takes decades to decompose.Reason--No oxygen,and sunlight-the filled items are buried under a layer of cover-usually dirt excavated when the landfill "cells"are dug.A Cell is the excavation the waste is put into-the waste is compacted by heavy landfill compactor vehicles and bulldozers.when the cell is filled-its covered with dirt left over when the cell was dug.Anyway--since the oxygen and sunlight is cut off-these are need to get the waste to decompose.So----the cardboard detergent box will linger in the fill just as long as the plastic bottle.It won't make a diffrence.That is the disadvantage of fills.Experiments have been done in past fills-A large boring machine drills up items buried in the fill-They make great time capsules--Newspapers buried 40 years ago--still intact and can be read.Same with other items Of course glass bottles are broken from the waste handling-and metal items crushed.But the point is they don't DECOMPOSE in a landfill.That is what allows some buildings to be built on them.And for paper-and other items-we are using trees faster than we can grow them becuase of the demand for paper or cardboard.Recycling can work--but each time cardboard or paper is recycled-the fibers are cut or weakened in the process.so the paper or board is lower quality and weaker.Across the street from the transmitter site where I work the land is owned by Weyerhauser.they farm trees on the land-and they cut them down more quickly than before.Often after only a few years of growth.the trees are chipped or shredded right at the site-the truckloads of chips go to the Weyerhauser mill in New Bern,NC-to be made into paper items.The larger trees are trucked intact to the mill to be sawn into lumber.
So,between the bottles or boxes--they are not always recycled,and they don't decompose as one would think in a fill.I just use which one is most convenient.