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Haha,

It really is better than the one we have just had, and in full agreement that the first thing that hit me when I smelt it, was the older scent - no sweet afterkick that I can detect, will see how it smells on clothes once washed.

Have got some in the machine at the moment, but it is only trainers. It does seem a tad foamy, but I have one of those (stupid) Samsung Eco bubbles, and annoyingly, I can't turn off the Eco Bubble option on this machine (I could on a previous one).

I possibly have put a tad too much in (about 25ml). But I am in an extremely soft water area, (so along with the eco bubble and the fact it's trainers not fabric), I do have to be really judicious in dosage, so possibly just got it a bit out.
 
That's really good to know! I have always liked the blue box but like you say the sweet afterkick doesn't do it much justice, so pleased to hear it doesn't have that anymore. Hopefully the green one will be just as good.

I do like to see foam, but sometimes it can disrupt the washing process. Thankfully though that has never happened to me. I never know how much powder to put in though, our house doesn't have mains water, it runs off two wells that collect rainwater and I have never had a proper answer as to whether rainwater is hard or soft so I tend to put the dosage in that gets the recommended number of washes and that has always worked.
 
Can help you there,

As rainwater falls, it is naturally soft. However, as water makes its way through the ground and into our waterways, it picks up minerals like chalk, lime and mostly calcium and magnesium. Since hard water contains essential minerals, it is sometimes the preferred drinking water.

That information is from APEC water council.

So depending on what your water comes into contact with until it enters your home, this will determine hardness.

However, if it is working as is with what you're doing now, then no point changing.

I know that for 95% of washes, I could instantly HALVE the recommended dose, but to be honest I don't, as I still don't trust that small of an amount will clean (don't know why). Other reason is I would never finish laundry products, and in case you didn't notice :P , I like buying different ones and trying them haha.
 
More speckles

Pic of the actual powder, just smelt it again, it is definitely Bold of old.

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Ah thank you!

The wells are in fields and both of them are in the same field, but the water that comes out of the well (as sometimes we get it directly out of the well) looks crystal clear and not murky at all. The kettles never get furred up which is a good sign I guess.

Like you I could easily use less detergent but I'd get backed up with it and it would take forever to use! It's hard enough trying to find the smaller boxes of powder these days as it is. It doesn't feel right to use less than 100ml or so (less than half a scoop) of detergent, I actually do miss it sometimes where you would dose 175ml+ for 1 load, as the box wouldn't last so long!

Thanks for the pic. Yeah it definitely looks like the older variations of Bold, the version previous had less pink bits in it.
 
No worries

Yes definitely if your kettle is not furring up, then you're soft water.

It's not as good for drinking (or teeth) but soft water defo has it's advantages.

I have absolutely no water marks in kitchen or bathroom, no scale or fur. Appliances last longer and don't need to use vast amounts of soap/shampoo, washing up liquid or detergents for good results - although at times for detergents that would be handy :)
 
Unfortunately detergents take a while to use in soft water agreed but I definitely prefer it.

Ooh there's been so many detergent changes recently! It's quite addictive because it makes you want to go out and buy all of them but you have to restrict it.

Back onto the Summer Breeze Lenor, I washed a hoodie in it today (along with some Miracle Acdo) and it's here in front of me and I am constantly sniffing it! The smell is so refreshing and lovely, I like that it still has elements of Summer Breeze yet has a very strong April Fresh twang to it.

Just saw your comment upthread regarding the spring unstoppables, must try them with the Summer Breeze, bet that combination would be lovely! :))
 
Lol

It's going to be the "soap rush" of 2016, it is really good though for people like us who are into laundry stuff.

I've not yet tried the summer fresh, but will do so (along with dreams/blue bold and hunting down green bold haha).

Will also have to try it in combo with spring unstoppables - yes the spring bottle in the US actually have wording on them, saying to team up with Downy April Fresh.

If you click on link and enlarge pic, you'll see it

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Downy-Unstopables-Spring-In-Wash-Scent-Booster-19.5-oz/26920409
 
Yeah it seems like they created the Spring ones for the April Fresh.

I love looking at Walmart for laundry stuff, so much to choose from! Would really love to try out the Tide/Downy/Bounce 'Sweet Dreams' and also the Unstopables Fabric Conditioner, which is paired with the scent beads. :)
 
Well if you ever wanted to

Use www.myamericanshopper.com

All you do, is copy the name and the weblink (from any American/USA site) onto the order form on My American Shopper, they calculate the shipping cost and customs fee, you pay them. They buy it and then ship it on to you.

I have used them 3 times over the years and they are really good. I have bought TONS of Tide/Gain, Downy (naturally) and even 2 full bed sets, which are much cheaper and easier to shop for at Walmart.

If you don't want to do it that way, they offer a US shipping address too.

So you shop on american website using the US address you're given, the retailer ships it to that american address (usually the address is MyAmericanShopper offices) then it;s forwarded on to you.

http://myamericanshopper.com/
 
I've never actually used the shipping address option, as my american shopper is good enough.

Also, you may need to add your USA address to you bank account/credit cards, so that you can shop online on US sites, and so that the "billing" address and shipping address match up.
 
Thank you for those!

That looks really good! Is it expensive? I've ordered from US amazon a few times but there are very few international shipping sellers. It would be brilliant if that was affordable though. :))
 
Yes

When working out like for like cost

Of course the biggest impact is weight, so things like laundry pods/dryer sheets and unstoppables are going to be cheaper to ship than liquid/Powders.

But the exchange rate works in our favour too, eg a 102 wash box of Tide is about $18 on walmart, which to us at the moment is £13.65 - so 102 washes of Tide for less than £15

When you place your order, it includes the cost of the products, the customs fee, and shipping costs.

They then review the order and will normally come back with an adjustment, as usually when ordering laundry type products, the shipping can be a bit higher, but it has never be more than $15-20 more.

But you're under no obligation to continue the order when they come back with the adjustment, you can still cancel and receive refund.

In january, I ordered 2 bedsets, which each included a base fitted sheet, a flat sheet and 2 pillowcases, they equated to £60 for the 2, including shipping (but not customs, I opted to pay this seperately @ £16).

However, they are the best I have ever owned, they are big (of course as US) and they fit the bed properly, the fitted sheet has never come loose during the night.

I have a UK Superking bed, which is a US King Size, it was just 10x easier to shop for bedding in America than here.

But if you dont want to go down this route, then thanks to ebays global shipping program, shipping costs have become much more reasonable too (provided the seller in question opts to use the GSP when listing their item) they can still choose their standard delivery service and charge what they like. Whereas ebays GSP automatically dictates the shipping cost and cannot be changed by the seller.

I got 2 massive (100 wash I think) bottles of Gain liquid detergent, and paid about £35 for both, including shipping. So 200 washes of Gain for £35 = £0.17pence a wash, considering when not on offer, Ariel here is £0.37pence a wash, did not think this was too bad.
 
Currently in the American Shopper basket, I have a bottle of Downy Infusions Sweet Dreams and a bottle of April Fresh and it comes to £33.95 in total. Cheaper than Target offering UK delivery.
 
Brilliant

That's good to know it is cheaper.

I just been to Tesco's to hunt out green bold, they dont have any either :(

However, I did smell the Lenor's with the new logo (standard blue, febreeze green) couldn't see the purple one with new logo, but still had a smell and did seem different to my nose. So they do all seem to have been changed (the standard blue is only a slight tweak)

The green febreeze one is now a liquid version of the "fresh" unstoppables. So got one of them, so wasn't a completely wasted trip.

But I NEEEED some of the green bold, so will keep looking.
 
The new Febreze one sounds lovely! I'm off to Asda tomorrow so will look out and have a sniff. Will also look for the Green Bold also. Wonder what the Lenor 'parfumelle' smells like? I did used to like the Ocean Escape variety so will have a sniff of that.

I've been on ebay and they have 60 loads Downy conditioner for about £18 which is decent enough price so might get one from there. The seller has April Fresh and Clean Breeze, they both sound lovely but may go for the Clean Breeze.
 
I like

Clean Breeze too, but it has been about 6/7 years since I had some.

There were so many Lenor's at Tesco, would have got thrown out (and have got a headache) if I smelt them all :)

I will keep an eye out for Parfumelle, and will smell Ocean Escape too.

The only Lenor's I never liked was Gold Orchid, and the Black Diamond Lotus (but will brave a smell to see if they have changed too).
 
That's what I worry about, plus normally with the amount of conditioners now you'd get a high :))

I wasn't sure on Gold Orchid, to me it smelt a lot like body lotion with bronzer in it. I did like the Diamond and Lotus, even though they changed the scent when they reintroduced it around last October.
 
Yes

That's exactly it with Gold Orchid, it's a suntan lotion/coconutty "summery" smell.

The Black Diamond was awful - I THINK it was after relaunch when I got it, it was horrid, did about 2 washes with it and then poured it away.

Odd, because I loved Bold's White Diamond and Lotus Flower in the White Box.
 
I wonder if Gold Orchid has changed?

That's it really. They discontinued the Diamond and Lotus when they went to Super Concentrate, I loved the smell of it. They brought it back last year but it didn't smell the same, the newer one smelt like Head & Shoulders Apple shampoo more than anything and it was okay, but not like the older one.
 
Bought some Bold, omg it really does smell like the older ones! I haven't stopped sniffing the box since I got it.

Also picked up the new Lenor Febreze, it's like as if you've just melted some Unstoppables in water it smells exactly the same!
 
Sorry...

Didn't see you latest post, glad you finally got some.

Now, I have only used the new Bold powder a couple of times, and am thinking PG marketing may be at play here. Even though it is the Bold scent of old, it is nowhere near as strong as the one we just had.

Thinking this could be for one of 2 reasons -

Bold now advertise their products to be used alongside Lenor fabric softener AND Unstoppables, so toning down the strength of the scent in the detergent would push people to do this - in the description in the link.

Or, to push people from powders to liquids and pods (not got any of the new scent liquids/pods yet, so can't compare scent strength).

I have yet to actually use the new Lenor Febreeze FS (hazard of too many products and not enough washing lol).

AND I STILL HAVEN'T FOUND GREEN BOLD!!! :(

http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/ocad...html?TrackingCode=1931.TNvw1giJsUigBKUWiNeqtg
 
Tell you...

What though, the softener has been very much improved - ran a load of towels (and usually they are very unforgiving of a 2in1). They are actually quite soft. So whilst the scent has definitely been toned down (to my nose), the softener has vastly improved.
 
I've used the new Bold liquid and have definitely noticed the scent is a lot lighter like the powder, so definitely not just the powder that has had the scent toned down. They have recommended to use Lenor + Unstoppables for a while now, but surely though a lot of people would look at the Bold and think 'why would I need to add more Lenor when this supposedly has it in?' As it has the Lenor logo incorporated in the Bold logo and it would be scent overkill to use Bold, Lenor and Unstoppables in the same load. I did it once with Blue Bold, Spring Lenor and Fresh Unstoppables, said result meant I felt ill when I wore the clothes.

The pods probably have the strongest scent, they did in the last incarceration so it wouldn't surprise me if the scent was stronger in the new pods than the other Bold products. That said, it is nice to use Bold which leaves clothes with a nice pleasant smell that just smells clean and it reminds me of the smell after a heavy downpour.

Haven't tried out the new Febreze Lenor either, but do agree regarding it's improved softness. Towels don't feel icky and like they have a coating on them anymore and things like sheets are so soft and snuggly.
 
Thanks

For letting me know the liquid is the same in scent strength.

Re the pods, yes agree, I have noticed that the Pods tend to be the strongest scented. I find the Pods and Gels to be the sudsiest too (whether Bold/Ariel/Fairy) - so maybe they just don't rinse out the same.

I have a few full bottles of the Gels, and I think I have come to the conclusion that I really don't like them. They leave a real heavy detergenty stink in the machine after a few consecutive washes. I am METICULOUS about keeping the washer clean, possibly to the point of obsessive (even though I do plenty of 60 and 95 washes, I still run the machines "eco drum clean" cycle at least once a week and wash the detergent drawer at least once a week too). Even with all of this, I still get quite the stank in the machine after using the Gels - AND to top it off, the machine was brand new in February. So I really think the Gels and Pods just don't rinse that well, hence the stronger scent.

Earlier on, I said the Bold powder was very foamy, it is, but ONLY with things like trainers and flip-flop washes (have a few pairs of flip flops that I wear round house as we are a no shoes house, so wash these every few weeks). However , done about 4 full loads with the Bold Powder and using the recommended dose, there was not a sud in sight - this is even with my Samsung's bubble feature as it can't be turned off. So the powder seems great.
 
I don't mind pods, but I washed a half load with an Ariel one and the smell was pretty strong. Thing is, whilst they do clean well, they are a bugger to rinse out and yes they do have the strongest scent, regardless of whether they're Ariel/Bold/Fairy etc.

Also agree with the gels, they're the worst for rinsing. Also, even though they boast a 'no mess' dispensing system, I always find stray gel has found it's way out of the container, resulting in a sticky lid and a mess. They also leave my Hoover stinking too, plus the laundry stinks of the product despite using the recommended dose.

I went on mumsnet and read some more of rabbit123's (the Unilever worker you linked into another thread) posts and it's interesting to read that liquids are harder to rinse out than a powder, due to the liquid being denser than water and powder dissolved into water makes a less dense formula that is easier to rinse out of clothes. It's surprising considering liquids are promoted as being easier to work with than a powder and are better for quick washes etc. But then again I have never really had trouble rinsing out powder, even with handwashing and only rinsing once.
 
Agree,

The pods do clean well, I was actually surprised by Bold Pearls a couple of months back, had a big chocolate stain from pudding cup and I was sure I was going to need a powder, the pod though shifted it right out.

Rabbit123 on Mumsnet is really knowledgeable, and will regularly educate users on MN about the differences, there was one about Non Bio liquids being the worst formula to use machine wise (no bleach, no enzymes - basically a liquid soap with OBs) one user didn't like that lol.

I think I mentioned upthread, interestingly she will use ANY branded powder that is on offer when she buys (whether PG or Unilever - I assume she got it free when working there), but she insists on it being a powder, NEVER a liquid or pod.

Completely agree on the Gels making a mess, they have made some right messes in their time with me, I had the pull the lids off and wash them. What I have done now is I have taken the dosing caps off and store the bottles "upside down" so they can't leak. They just don't close properly - especially when they start to become half empty and the bottle becomes mis-shapen from the squeezing.

Oh also if you're interested, Lenor have come out with a new scent called Floral Romance - it's pink one, I am not sure it is the Lenor "in the pink" from a few years back, but it smells nice all the same. I picked some up - I HAVE TO STOP ;p.

http://www.wilko.com/washing-powder+fabric-conditioner/lenor-floral-romance-11l/invt/0441967
 
Agreed the Bold pearls are good, they've surprised me also with their stain removing power and the ability to leave everything really soft.

I find it funny on mumsnet when the members say they use a Non Bio 'because bio makes them or their little darlings itch' and then they say they use Vanish because stains are hard to get out! They don't know they're adding the stuff they are trying to avoid into the wash! Another one is when they use a sensitive detergent, but use Lenor Unstoppables and the stinkiest fabric conditioner they can find, and wash all of their clothes on a 15 minute cycle 'because I'm a busy mum and have no time' there is no point. The amount of people on there who use non bio is ridiculous, there was somebody from the White Goods Help website who posted on there saying biological and powder detergents were the best ad mostly everybody else just didn't bother listening to him.

I saw in a post of hers that she said she will buy any biological powder, but the one she buys depends on which one is on offer. It must be interesting to work in the laundry sections of either Unilever or P&G, testing out new formulas, fragrances, stain removal capabilities etc.

Did see the new pink Lenor when I first bought some new Summer Breeze, was really excited at the idea of it smelling of the old in the pink, but it's a nice smell anyway. Tried to get some of the perfect black Surf but Sainsbury's didn't have any!
 

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