Lenor = Downy

[liamy1]

AquaCycle.

Yep, view the same way.

Daz is a more economic, "toned down" version of Ariel and Surf the same for Persil.

I don't dislike either of the two per se, just I will 98% of the time go for the others.

Daz is great for whites (as they advertise) as it is packed to the 9s with bluing agents (as laundress said above). The one thing with Daz though is I swear it makes clothes look "bobbly" sooner (I haven't used it consecutively enough to prove, and won't as I don't want to deck my clothes). Sister in law uses nothing but Daz and her clothes seem really bobbly, so it seems to re-inforce my view.

Surf seems no problems, but just don't seem to use all that often.

Get what you're saying about Persil - it's a British Institution (And would dare say Hyacinth Bouquet used it as all Persil Powders carry the Royal Warrant lol).

As it says in the documentary about Persil Power
Persil was all about the home, and being a good mother, it played more on emotions, whereas Ariel was "here is a detergent that will remove stains - job done".

Also if you watch/have seen the Persil ads vs Ariel ads on Laundry Lab you can see that difference.

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYVVOSRJ248

 

[aquacycle]

Even down to the packaging and scents of the detergents, Ariel well and truly went for the scentific approach as opposed to the more happy families approach. Like the guy says in the Persil power doc, it's a brand that's always stood for care as well as cleaning.

 

[liamy1]

Yep.

Even today.

The Persil Box has the "splodge" marking, but there is also kids on a bike on bio, and a dad and baby on the non bio.

Ariel just has the "atom" logo and the word ARIEL lol

 

[hoover8pulse]

Tried the Skip

And it indeed smells lovely! Such a clean, soapy scent that is hard to find now. Plus it was good value and in a lovely little box!

Persil is definitely a detergent that is associated with care and family, mainly due to the marketing. I do like their powders and the S/M Bio also, but it really is a British Institution, much like other British things such as a cup of tea or Coronation Street, Ariel doesn't seem to have the same feeling towards it. To me, Ariel has always been the more modern and scientific washing powder, whereas Persil has been used through generations and has always been associated with washing whiter and being a good mother. This shows through the product packaging. On an Ariel Box, there is the atom looking logo with Ariel underneath, that's it. With Persil (the non bio one anwyay) there is a father and a baby on it, which still shows Persil is associated with care.

 

[aegokocarat]

Spring awakening

Today, I impulsively bought an 83 wash bottle of Summer breeze with the new Lenor branding. I used to love Summer Breeze and Spring Awakening right up till they made them "super concentrated" and I found the smells in the bottles really horrible and used to get irritation on my hands from handling wet washing washed in either of the scents, I did actually contact P&G to give feedback about that....
anyway, I've been curious since I started reading this thread about Spring Awakening and when I had seen that the larger bottles (also, probably the smaller bottles?) aren't "super concentrated" now and are a bit more diluted as to what the products smell like. It was on offer in Wilkinsons and I picked it up to have a smell, it still has a similar smell to the previous formula but has less of a chemically twang to it, I got in and washed a load of bedding in it and a load of general washing with it, the smell isn't really "sour" or "bitter" like the old formula, to my nose its more subtle and clean smelling, also, I didn't experience any irritation to my hands. I think I could happily buy it again, reminds me of being a really young teen and doing my washing because my mother always bought Spring Awakening.

 

[aegokocarat]

I just realised, I said Summer Breeze, I meant I bought spring awakening lol

 

[liamy1]

Will have..

To try some of the new Spring Awakening; I have smelt it since the redesign and it seems that it had only had a slight tweak (as opposed to Summer Breeze and Febreeze Fresh, which you can tell straight off is a different smell).

Still have 2x 76 wash bottles of SA, along with the new one's I have amassed over the course of this thread So will try and hold off before trying the new SA.

Would make sense that the smell seems less potent and more like the less concentrated version from a few years back, as you mentioned the 3L bottles going to 83 washes from 116.

Talked about the new Lenor's and the ones I weren't keen on (Gold Orchid and Black Lotus) but not mentioned the one I LOVED the most - Lenor "Natural Balance", does anyone remember that? I really really liked it.

 

[liamy1]

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[hoover8pulse]

Will have to try Spring Awakening next! The 83 wash bottle does have a slightly less strong smell than the normal one which is good. Nearly got an SA today but held off because I still love the Summer Breeze. When I went to get a bottle of 83 wash SB from B&M's the other day, they had both the old 116 wash and new 83 wash for the same price. Could imagine that would confuse some people!

Also, the other Lenors, now under the 'parfumelle' range smell exactly the same as they did before. Had a sniff of the new logo Gold Orchid, Ocean Escape and Diamond/Lotus flower and they smell the same so if you didn't like the scent before they're not worth bothering with.

In regards to Fairy's scent changing, I had a sniff today and it still has the baby soapy type scent, but it appears to have a Daz type undertone. Smells pleasant actually, still a nice clean smell but ever so slightly different. The bleaching agents in it though have gone back down to 5-15% from 15-30%, not sure if anyone else has noticed!

BTW Liam, Savers have 1.9L bottles of the new Pink Lenor (76 washes) for £2.75 if you're interested )

 

[liamy1]

Thanks, I will have to have a look, as the one I bought at Wilko was £3.50!

Yes, my B&M has the 116 and 83 washes mixed in together too, should imagine most people will go for the 116 wash, leaving all the new scents for us .

Won't bother with the GO and BL scents then, suppose the GO isn't terrible, just not my cup of tea (MIL was doing some washing when I last visited, and was using Gold Orchid, and she uses far too much conditioner as is - she rinsed through my Downy AF and CB when she lived with us a few years back). The BL was horrendous.

To be honest I hadn't noticed the bleach content changing, although it seems Ariel swaps between 5-15 and 15-30% percent quite a bit.

 

[hoover8pulse]

£3.50 is too much for just a bottle of Lenor, but then again ALL detergent prices are so high it's no wonder lots of people just buy whatever is on offer. Savers are good for stuff like that though, they normally have big boxes of Daz/Surf for £3.99 and big Ariel liquids for £4.99.

Lol actually the new scent was the one that was gone, I got the last one! Can't say whether I prefer this version or the normal super concentrate version, both are really nice.

I'm actually waiting for somewhere to have Ariel Colour liquid on offer. Love the smell of that one but I'm not paying £6.98/£7 a bottle!

My mum has the same habit, pours way too much Lenor SA into the drawer. I had to put her washing out the other day but was seriously considering putting it through the wash again. You know when you've OD'd on fabric conditioner and your clothes come out feeling greasy and slimy and disgusting? That basically, the jeans that were washed felt horrible.

Do you like that Ariel has so much bleach in it? It was 5-15% a few years ago which was a nice amount to have in it. When they upped it to 15-30% was a bit wary of it fading clothes quicker, but if anything it doesn't. Which did say though Ariel powder is one of the best detergents for not fading clothes, but then again oxygen bleaching agents are normally colour safe aren't they?

 

[liamy1]

Will have...

To have a look at savers in future, yes detergent prices are sky high. I remember Tesco carrying the 85 wash box of Ariel for £20! This was a good few year back though.

I like the idea of higher bleach for the whiteness, I got to admit, I haven't noticed the fading either (and I did see in which that they say Ariel performs better than all the others on colour fading).

The clothes I want to keep looking brand new, I will almost always wash in a colour care detergent, and if not a colour care, at the very least a liquid.

I believe oxygen bleaches are good for colours in the main, and of course, will have no affect on completely man-made fibres. But as laundress says, if the detergent is capable of removing a dye-based stain (coffee, tomato, curry etc) then over time, it will remove colour. But then again, the friction alone from washing will remove colour, so no colour detergent will completely stop colour loss, it just delays it.

The only place I know with Ariel colour liquid on offer at the moment is OCADO - £7 for 60 wash. Makro online has 100 wash bottle for £11.99 - but if you can get for £5 at savers, then it may not be a good offer.

 

[hoover8pulse]

Ariel for £20

And at a similar time the 10 wash size went to something crazy like £4.50! Shocking!

It's more the washing process though that will remove colour and cause wear than the detergent used. Like you say, if a detergent is capable of removing a dye based stain it will remove loose colour particles. The only thing you really notice fading with is jeans, but turning them inside out helps, alongside using a colour safe/liquid detergent.

That's a shame it's not on offer currently, Ocado don't deliver to my address unfortunately. The bottles at Makro are too much, too many washes and it will take forever to use up (lol). Savers only do the regular liquid though, but they do have the 24 wash one for £3.99, may have to go there too as haven't been in a while.

Apparently, P&G have launched a 500ml bottle of Ariel liquid for sale in convenience stores/Spars/Costcutters etc. That would be interesting to get a bottle of that!

 

[liamy1]

Small bottles

I haven't seen it yet, but will keep an eye out. To be honest, I always go for the biggest pack I can get (probably not the right thing for me, as I swap and change all the time, but I don't feel I am getting value for money with the smaller packs and bottles).

Had a message from Lenor this morning (and a voucher )

They have released 3 new scents of Lenor (according to the message).

Floral Romance - the pink one mentioned upthread

Soft embrace - not seen yet

Pearly Peony - not seen this either yet, but if it is like Bold Cherry and Peony, should be nice.

They are not on Mysupermarket, only seen the pink one on Wilkos site (and bought some in wilko store). So will be looking out for them to sniff

 

[hoover8pulse]

How did you get a voucher? )

And those new scents sounds interesting, will have to sniff them!

I vary with different sized packs, do like to buy small boxes of powder every so often but normally go for 40 wash sizes as sometimes the smaller packs aren't big enough for my mind.

 

[liamy1]

Voucher...

I just sent them a message asking if they would consider bringing back Natural Balance (because of this thread).

They messaged back saying with the usual bumf, saying it's great to hear you like our scents and that they are memorable (as I am sure NB went 10+ years ago)

Went onto say, I'm sure you understand that any decisions on new or reintroduction of scents can't be shared as it is business sensitive information.

Then mentioned the new scents and offered to send a voucher, (from past experience, it is usually £3 for trying a product and £5 for sending a dodgy product back - which for me was the head and shoulders issue with BandM and Home Bargains).

So just message them, asking something, or complementing them etc, MOST (but not all) of the time, they will offer to send a voucher.

Don't ask them for coupons, or discounts as they will just refer you to their site www.supersavvyme.co.uk where they put coupons up on all PandG products (sometimes there is some great coupons on there, eg got 2 boxes of 30 ariel pods for £3.50 a box, 2 bottles of 76 wash lenor for £1.75 and 2 bottles of flash bleach - FREE). Sometimes the coupons arent great - it varies.

 

[hoover8pulse]

Did they remember having a fragrance called NB? Because there were a few comments where people have requested it and Lenor replies saying they couldn't remember it.

Found this though: https://www.facebook.com/PGUKandIre...3921164039529/554970601267915/?type=3&theater

Yeah I've done that before. That latest was last year when I sent them a message saying that the Lenor I was using had clogged up the fabric conditioner section of the drawer and they replied mentioning maintenance washes and they sent a £7 voucher to spend on P&G laundry products.

Supersavvyme is great agreed but it's a faff trying to print off the vouchers, once you do you do get some excellent bargains. Last time it was a 1.1L Lenor for about 75p.

 

[liamy1]

They didn't...

Mention the name, lol. However, if any further issues, send them the advert I linked for NB

This was the response

Hi,

Thank you so much for getting in touch with us. It’s great to hear you like our fragrances so much that sometimes you just can’t forget them.

However I’m sure you understand that if there was to be any new products, or re-introduced products we’d be unable to share this with you, as it would be business sensitive information.

I nevertheless appreciate you getting in touch to share your interest, as we really appreciate your feedback so I’ll make sure it’s passed on.

I’d like to let you know however that we do have some new scents that you might enjoy including Soft Embrace, Floral Romance and Pearly Peony.

If you’d like to give one of these a try I’d be happy to send you a voucher to help. Just let me know your address so I can send it out.

Once again thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. I hope to hear back from you soon.

Best wishes,

Laura

Consumer Relations

 

[logixx]

Here's the new design for the Lenor detergent bags P&G just launched here. The liquid detergent looks similar now.

http://https//www.dm.de/haushalt/lenor-produkte-bei-dm/

 

[hoover8pulse]

Do you think I should send them an email/message too? My mum mentioned a fragrance Lenor did called Alpine Spirit that she loved, but they stopped making it around the time they stopped making Ariel Alpine.

Logixx - that new Lenor packaging is lovely! How does the detergent perform? I'm thinking maybe the blue one is like the Bold we have in the UK fragrance wise, but it could be different.