Let's meat Sylvia...

[washer111]

However...

The manual for the front loader poses the option of a 2nd and 3rd rinse. From personal experience, 2 rinses on the Cottons cycle (F/L) with a reduced detergent dosage aren't even enough, let alone one. Even three isn't enough sometimes, depending on the detergent loading needed (Softened water).

I'd personally suggest washing a complete load of clothes in a TL machine with a single rinse, resetting for a second rinse, and noting how cloudy/clear the water is. That would be a more definitive verdict, IMO.

 

[mrb627]

FL Rinsing

From the manual, the second rinse button adds a third rinse and the 3rd rinse button makes it four total.

Malcolm

 

[foraloysius]

Typically American I guess because a standard toploader only has one rinse. But why on earth can't they call it a third rinse and a fourth rinse? Just like not mentioning the spinspeeds in numbers but in low, medium and high etc. The American consumer is left in the dark with all those things.

 

[henene4]

It’s the industrial kind of counting rinses.
The last "rinse" is equal to the conditoning in commercial words. The application of any kind of conditoning (softner, starch) is not counted. So a big laundry company would count:

Soak
Prewash
Wash
Rinse
Conditoning
Extracting

in contrast to the household way

Prewash with soak
Wash
Rinse
Rinse with softner
Spin.

Thus, Second rinse means 2 rinses plus softner rinse and 3rd rinse 3 rinses plus softening.

 

[mrb627]

Model w/ Heater

Wondering if maybe a model with a heater might be in the works. Remembering the previous lineup only had one model with a heater out of the 5 offerings.

Malcolm

 

[appnut]

Heater model in the works

Malcolm, I hope you are right.  Time will tell.  Aside from the lack of this feature, it looks like an amazing washer. 

 

[mrb627]

Well

It certainly is more flexible than my current Imperial model. Not sure that the lack of a heater would sway me away from it at this point. I don't really miss it on my current machine. Although, I am not 100% sure I can perform hot starts with the new model as easily.

Malcolm

 

[mayfan69]

Heaters....

Without a heater in at least one version, their success in export markets like Australia will be severely limited (for the front loader at least) and they're trying to realy push Speed Queen here in Australia.

Cheers
Leon

 

[logixx]

I always used a prewash with the temp set to Hot on the commercial Speed Queen front loaders to get a decent hot main wash. Then again, the commercial units did a spin before the main wash to get as much of the cool water out of the load before advancing into the main wash. Something these new units no longer do.

 

TL manual: http://www.speedqueen.com/tech_pdf/Production/202956.pdf

 

[washer111]

Oh Boy!

It looks like its possible to run 6 water changes on this model too!

Ben, I think this washer might be for you. This machine has got more "Anti-Algore" than you can poke a stick at

 

[alr2903]

Washer111, I think you are right about the 6 water changes if you selected all the options and I am almost certain I was reading the TL manual.  Are these TL machines being sold  nationwide?  At present I could care less, we have cheap abundant water and city sewer.  While I don't consciously conserve,  I do not attempt to use more than is needed.  I do see how the TL could be a problem in areas with restricted water use or a septic system and a "well intentioned" guest.    The FL is very appealing.

 

[washman]

Well you know what I say

the more the merrier! A little H2O is good, a whole lot more is really good!

Were it not for the fact I'm squirreling money away for a house, I would consider getting one.

I don't think it was clear however, does the dyer have a moisture sensor?

 

[mrb627]

TL Washer

It is nice that the TL washer can be used in an ECO mode and as a TRADITIONAL machine. Very flexible, IMO!

The dryer has all indications that it contains a moisture sensor as indicated by the 'Sensing' light on the control panel. Otherwise, there is no mention of a contact sensor in the manual. Not really a deal breaker one way or the other, IMO.

Malcolm

 

[alr2903]

Malcolm Thank You! for posting the links.  All  good info! 

 

[logixx]

Where is the link to the dryer's manual?

 

[mrb627]

Videos + Website

If you go back to wither of the videos, the dryer model numbers are in the subject line. I used the model number to locate the manual on the SQ website.

Malcolm

 

[logixx]

D'uh! And I was looking through all the manuals on SQ's site...

 

http://docs.alliancelaundry.com/tech_pdf/Production/514318.pdf
 

 

The dryer does have a Sensing light on the panel but there's no mentioning of how to clean the moisture sensors bars - something every manual usually mentions. Hm...

 

I do like the Eco Dry setting, which lowers the  temp as the clothes become drier - very Kenmore SoftHeat. It's also nice to see that an American manufacturers has fianally adopted the European approach of giving the user the choice to either select eco (cool and slow) or traditional (hot and fast).

 

[appnut]

I do believe the dryer does have a sensor inside the dryer drum as sensing system keeps being referred to in the dryer.  I like the "wrinkle guard" feature tumbles every two minutes rather than every 5 minutes Whirlpool has done for years.  In auto dry cycles, moisture monitor lights show dampness levels similar to my Maytag IntelliDry. 

 

[mtn1584]

Water Level adjustment???

Will it be possible to raise the water level on these washers as we have been able to do on the mechanical AWN542??
Is it necessary since these machines have an "Eco" cycle? Will they fill to the top row of holes by default on the other cycles when extra large is selected/
MIKE

SOMEBODY FIND OUT!!!!! LOL

 

[mrb627]

Riddle me this!?!

Well, what do we have here???

Malcolm

http://www.samstores.com/product-speed-queen-nf3llfsp402-front-load-washer-220-volts-23614.html

 

[henene4]

Confused. It says something about 400V in the descripton, but 220/240V all around the rest.

 

[mrb627]

Voltage Requirments

Are unclear and I could not locate a manual for this model. It is listed as (NEW) on sam's website. The noticeable element is 'ELECTRIC HEATING' tag in the description...

Malcolm

 

[foraloysius]

Since it is 50Hz, it's for a different market than the American. 400 Volts may mean a big, powerful heating element, otherwise it could be done with a standard 220 (230) Volts 16 amps connection.

 

[foraloysius]

El.nagreva Power

Is that spanish? I guess that is the heating element? 4800 Watts.

 

[foraloysius]

Perhaps this machine is even more interesting! A regular Speed Queen frontloader with heating element!

http://www.samstores.com/product-speedqueen-ltsa5-11812.html

 

[henene4]

Did anyone else recognize the tipo I made in the title? I'm ashamed of my self right now...

 

[mrb627]

You Meen...

MEAT = MEET?

aka "Let's eat Grandma!" or "Let's eat, Grandma!"

Malcolm

LOL!

 

[henene4]

Kind of, yeah... *hehe*

 

[logixx]

I'm guessing the description on that Sam Stores website is wrong.

 

[appnut]

Literature says the following for BOTH models. 

 

This appliance is not designed for use in America. Only for countries that use 220 / 240 V electrical outlets. 

 

Luigi, that which you found reminds me of the Amana & SQ models with the booster heater before they discontinued the models.