The middle X bar almost seems to focus more water on the lower rack rather than the top. I'd like to see one of these videos with a load of dishes in place to see how the water jets actually function in normal use.
Life with the GE Profile DW, 2016
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joeypete
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Cool John!! That X arm is pretty sweet.
murando531
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I'm impressed with this GE more now with the good lighting in this video. It seems to have very well-placed and powerful jets. The X-arms they use look to me like some kind of ninja katana, haha. I definitely see the improvement of you switching out for the S-shaped upper arm though. The jets seem to hit the ceiling with much more oomph than the X-arm did. It'll be interesting to see how the idea you mentioned of capping off the bottle jets when not needed will help improve power to the upper rack even more.
vacerator
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Pushing water
through more jets may help cleaning ability with lower water use and pump pressures. Maybe the arm spins faster. I don't know for sure, mine has the older blue S arms, and my dishes get squeaky clean.
The tall item jets are a good idea, because before, the bottoms never got washed, unless maybe you selected steam, or used the added heat option, and the steam and heated dry sanitized them.
It seems spray arm design changes often. Is it a gimmick? I mean every dishwasher is tested before being released to the market for cleanability.
My model, and nearly every other GE model said it had "dedicated" flatware jets.
Really? Where? The jets at the tips of the center was arm have always been there.
They are the main push for the arm, and also spray the top edges of large plates.
In order to have dedicated flatware jets, they would have to put them in the side of the tub facing the flatware basket. "watch for that feature in the next generation"
through more jets may help cleaning ability with lower water use and pump pressures. Maybe the arm spins faster. I don't know for sure, mine has the older blue S arms, and my dishes get squeaky clean.
The tall item jets are a good idea, because before, the bottoms never got washed, unless maybe you selected steam, or used the added heat option, and the steam and heated dry sanitized them.
It seems spray arm design changes often. Is it a gimmick? I mean every dishwasher is tested before being released to the market for cleanability.
My model, and nearly every other GE model said it had "dedicated" flatware jets.
Really? Where? The jets at the tips of the center was arm have always been there.
They are the main push for the arm, and also spray the top edges of large plates.
In order to have dedicated flatware jets, they would have to put them in the side of the tub facing the flatware basket. "watch for that feature in the next generation"
There's really only one aspect of spray arm design that would be "a gimmick" and that is in the visuals.
GE or WP didn't have to have separate blue molded jet nozzles, but they did for visuals.
I'd venture to guess that actual spray pattern is an engineered layout.
And as with anything, there are many many multiple ways to skin a cat. Hence why every brand has a varying spray pattern/scheme. Yet they all essentially get the job done.
As for more jets with less pressure, that's counter-intuitive, since you'd need more volume to go through the extra jets, and pressure would drop.
However, by alternating the arms, they can have a smaller pump, add more jets and still keep pressure quite high.
The upper rack will always have a bit of a pressure drop due to head losses climbing to the upper rack. The volumes of the conduit and the x-middle arm are kept quite narrow to minimize the loss of excess volume. But there will always be a bit of a loss. Which yes, the S-arm seems to handle better!
And yes! I'm interested to see what changes occur if I block off the bottle jets that run all the time. I imagine it'll be a decent pressure increase.
I'm not really sure what "blue" wash arm you're talking about in your GE, Vacerator. All of GE's machines have had a curvy arm in various shades of light and dark grey the past decade or so.
That design is of their past, with fewer holes, but larger openings to create a 25deg. fanned out spray pattern. It works quite well, since they used it for at least 30 years. And then in the last few years of the old "Infiniclean" GE system with all levels running at once, they reduced the jet sizes and added a few extra on the bottom to eek out some water savings before the new [current] manual filter platform was ready.
GE or WP didn't have to have separate blue molded jet nozzles, but they did for visuals.
I'd venture to guess that actual spray pattern is an engineered layout.
And as with anything, there are many many multiple ways to skin a cat. Hence why every brand has a varying spray pattern/scheme. Yet they all essentially get the job done.
As for more jets with less pressure, that's counter-intuitive, since you'd need more volume to go through the extra jets, and pressure would drop.
However, by alternating the arms, they can have a smaller pump, add more jets and still keep pressure quite high.
The upper rack will always have a bit of a pressure drop due to head losses climbing to the upper rack. The volumes of the conduit and the x-middle arm are kept quite narrow to minimize the loss of excess volume. But there will always be a bit of a loss. Which yes, the S-arm seems to handle better!
And yes! I'm interested to see what changes occur if I block off the bottle jets that run all the time. I imagine it'll be a decent pressure increase.
I'm not really sure what "blue" wash arm you're talking about in your GE, Vacerator. All of GE's machines have had a curvy arm in various shades of light and dark grey the past decade or so.
That design is of their past, with fewer holes, but larger openings to create a 25deg. fanned out spray pattern. It works quite well, since they used it for at least 30 years. And then in the last few years of the old "Infiniclean" GE system with all levels running at once, they reduced the jet sizes and added a few extra on the bottom to eek out some water savings before the new [current] manual filter platform was ready.
Dedicated Silverware Jets
Oh, about the "silverware" jets.
You're right, they're the same jets that propel the middle arm.
BUT, what I've noticed in GE's latest machines is that they've targeted these drive jets to spray at varied levels to better cover the flatware.
Are they "100%" dedicated to flatware? No.....they drive the arm.
But so what? They scrub the silverware very very well.
Andrew's WP has a nifty targeted silverware spray bar.
And GE just came out with a Profile model that has a whole manifold full of jets that is right underneath the silverware baskets....IN addition, to the existing jets on the middle wash arm.
Yes it's marketing jargon. But the job still gets done.
Oh, about the "silverware" jets.
You're right, they're the same jets that propel the middle arm.
BUT, what I've noticed in GE's latest machines is that they've targeted these drive jets to spray at varied levels to better cover the flatware.
Are they "100%" dedicated to flatware? No.....they drive the arm.
But so what? They scrub the silverware very very well.
Andrew's WP has a nifty targeted silverware spray bar.
And GE just came out with a Profile model that has a whole manifold full of jets that is right underneath the silverware baskets....IN addition, to the existing jets on the middle wash arm.
Yes it's marketing jargon. But the job still gets done.
vacerator
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My GE Profile is from 2011
without a door handle. Plastic tub. The spray arms are a deep blue, not grey.
without a door handle. Plastic tub. The spray arms are a deep blue, not grey.
vacerator
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Yes John,
thats it!
I have read that not pre rinsing dishes or not removing stickers from the bottom of mugs, etc. can clog and gum up the filters and even the pump resulting in poor washing effectiveness, and even scaling. Particles of food can clog spray jets.
I rinse, and besides, we don't run it but mainly every other day. A dishwasher to me is a sanitizer more so than a scrubber.
I know most will disagree, but it's a bit of a job to take apart and clean everything.
thats it!
I have read that not pre rinsing dishes or not removing stickers from the bottom of mugs, etc. can clog and gum up the filters and even the pump resulting in poor washing effectiveness, and even scaling. Particles of food can clog spray jets.
I rinse, and besides, we don't run it but mainly every other day. A dishwasher to me is a sanitizer more so than a scrubber.
I know most will disagree, but it's a bit of a job to take apart and clean everything.
Blue spray arm
Could have also been this one...
Could have also been this one...
Stickers will gum up ANY machine.
But as long as you scrape the piles of food off of dishware, there should be no reason to rinse anything.
And I'm sure we're getting into the weeds, but I'd call that spray arm 'charcoal grey' haha.
Logixx!
That arm is HUGE. And Blue!
When on earth did GE spend money on that?!
Never seen it before.
But as long as you scrape the piles of food off of dishware, there should be no reason to rinse anything.
And I'm sure we're getting into the weeds, but I'd call that spray arm 'charcoal grey' haha.
Logixx!
That arm is HUGE. And Blue!
When on earth did GE spend money on that?!
Never seen it before.
vacerator
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Mine is that color blue,
but I've never seen that one either. Must have been a top of the line then with smart dispense. They were tweaking their models and such back then. Like some had a very thin fill tube from the water valve, but mine doesn't.
The handle on my flatware basket broke, but it really isn't much of a bother to lift it our from both ends to the counter top. My wares drawer is just to the right.
but I've never seen that one either. Must have been a top of the line then with smart dispense. They were tweaking their models and such back then. Like some had a very thin fill tube from the water valve, but mine doesn't.
The handle on my flatware basket broke, but it really isn't much of a bother to lift it our from both ends to the counter top. My wares drawer is just to the right.
A special treat!
Hey kiddos!
A teaser.
I got my hands on a reasonably priced Clear Service door!
Of course I did a load with the full glory revealed.
Here's some initial pics.
Once I process and render the video, I'll post that as well.
Hey kiddos!
A teaser.
I got my hands on a reasonably priced Clear Service door!
Of course I did a load with the full glory revealed.
Here's some initial pics.
Once I process and render the video, I'll post that as well.
To say you made my day
Would be an understatement!
Can't wait for that video. I owe you many favors now, thats for sure.
Would be an understatement!
Can't wait for that video. I owe you many favors now, thats for sure.Through the Clear Door
Here it is kiddos!
Clear service door, running an empty Light wash with lower rack removed for visibility.
Some explanation of operations:
- You'll notice it starts off with a waterfall fill with the side wall jets that only operate during fill periods.
- The first and second fills are dumped pretty quick as part of GE's Auto Hot Start to purge the lines of cold water and get the machine filling with 90F water minimum. It'll do that up to 3 times if the line water is super cold.
- 3rd segment is the main wash, and it's not audible, but the heater is on to heat that water to 125F on Light wash.
- Rack sequence is Lower Main, Upper, Lower Reverse, Upper, back to Lower Main. Which repeats through the main wash.
- If you've been following this thread you'll know that the corners of the upper rack on the GE Profile machines with the X-arms are kinda weak. I acquired a standard GE S-arm for the upper rack,and I installed that back in toward the end of the video for comparisons.
I have a load of dishes done with the clear door as well.
I'm still processing that video, soon to come.
Enjoy!
http://https//youtu.be/r-mMpmHv4s0
Here it is kiddos!
Clear service door, running an empty Light wash with lower rack removed for visibility.
Some explanation of operations:
- You'll notice it starts off with a waterfall fill with the side wall jets that only operate during fill periods.
- The first and second fills are dumped pretty quick as part of GE's Auto Hot Start to purge the lines of cold water and get the machine filling with 90F water minimum. It'll do that up to 3 times if the line water is super cold.
- 3rd segment is the main wash, and it's not audible, but the heater is on to heat that water to 125F on Light wash.
- Rack sequence is Lower Main, Upper, Lower Reverse, Upper, back to Lower Main. Which repeats through the main wash.
- If you've been following this thread you'll know that the corners of the upper rack on the GE Profile machines with the X-arms are kinda weak. I acquired a standard GE S-arm for the upper rack,and I installed that back in toward the end of the video for comparisons.
I have a load of dishes done with the clear door as well.
I'm still processing that video, soon to come.
Enjoy!
http://https//youtu.be/r-mMpmHv4s0
pretty impressive water action!
joeypete
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Great job John! Thanks for sharing!
murando531
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This.... is absolutely gorgeous! The lighting and everything is excellent. I've watched it through twice now mesmerized because it looks like a water feature in a fancy hotel fountain. This is excellent work! 
And I have to say, I still think the S-arm looks much more effective at throwing water in the corners and against the ceiling of the tank. It seems to create more splash effect when hitting the top. I am surprised at how fast both arms turn. It's definitely odd hearing a faster rhythm of jets going by the door than the 30-35 rpm rotation in most machines.
I'm still hella jealous that you're able to get a clear service door. I still can't find even a hint of a part number available for any WP/KitchenAid/Maytag. Even Kenmore. I'm VERY tempted to try ordering the GE door and see if it will fit at all or if it can be slightly modified. Surely the dimensions of the door opening aren't that drastically different, especially since GE now has seals in tank rather than the edge of the actual door.
And I have to say, I still think the S-arm looks much more effective at throwing water in the corners and against the ceiling of the tank. It seems to create more splash effect when hitting the top. I am surprised at how fast both arms turn. It's definitely odd hearing a faster rhythm of jets going by the door than the 30-35 rpm rotation in most machines.
I'm still hella jealous that you're able to get a clear service door. I still can't find even a hint of a part number available for any WP/KitchenAid/Maytag. Even Kenmore. I'm VERY tempted to try ordering the GE door and see if it will fit at all or if it can be slightly modified. Surely the dimensions of the door opening aren't that drastically different, especially since GE now has seals in tank rather than the edge of the actual door.
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