Life with the GE Profile DW, 2016

[murando531]

This.... is absolutely gorgeous! The lighting and everything is excellent. I've watched it through twice now mesmerized because it looks like a water feature in a fancy hotel fountain. This is excellent work!

And I have to say, I still think the S-arm looks much more effective at throwing water in the corners and against the ceiling of the tank. It seems to create more splash effect when hitting the top. I am surprised at how fast both arms turn. It's definitely odd hearing a faster rhythm of jets going by the door than the 30-35 rpm rotation in most machines.

I'm still hella jealous that you're able to get a clear service door. I still can't find even a hint of a part number available for any WP/KitchenAid/Maytag. Even Kenmore. I'm VERY tempted to try ordering the GE door and see if it will fit at all or if it can be slightly modified. Surely the dimensions of the door opening aren't that drastically different, especially since GE now has seals in tank rather than the edge of the actual door.

 

[logixx]

Jealous here as well. I've looked at the clear door for Bosch dishwashers and it was like 100 Euros. No...

Yes, it really lookes like a fountain in there with the jets whirling around. Too bad the side jets only come on during the fill cycle - but I had already read that in the service manual. Looking forward to more videos.

 

[panthera]

Very nice

I think the arm switch out was a good idea.

I find it interesting that GE would be the company to invest so much thought in better wash arm design - in the late '70s (their work on the multi-orbital) and now.

 

[johnb300m]

Thank you!
I feel I need to work on the light a bit, with the hot spot in the back.
Regardless, it came out nice!
I think you're all right about the standard S-arm. It's water passages are larger, so I'm wondering if it's seeing less of a pressure loss, vs. the X-arm with has much narrower passages, which may restrict flow.
The S-arm did seem to throw water more forcefully in the corners for sure.
I do however like how the X-arm rotates a little slower for more exposure. But with the faster/increased pressure from the S-arm, maybe it's all moot.
I'm seeming to get similar performance from either arm, now that I'm using better detergent in tandem with the soft water as opposed to almost a year ago.

These clear doors are expensive! The GE door is over $100 as well. However if you find one on a sales website, give it a shot. I got mine for $50 and free shipping. And I saw another one for $30.
Maybe the GE will fit other machines!
It's got extra clearance for bull-nose racks, so there's a good chance.
We need someone to experiment.

It's my recollection as well, that GE seems to do lots of wash arm experimentation. With these x-arms, reversing arms, orbital arms and whirlybirds.
And now with this clean sweep arm, such as in post #68422, that is geared and juts out c to wash upper rack corners.
Apparently, the review is less than stellar on that machine :/

I have more planned, my fervent appliance kids!

 

[frigilux]

Thanks so much for the awesome video, John! Interesting to see what goes on inside my GE.  I had no idea the side jets were for fill only.  Also very surprised that water from a couple of jets in the bottom arm reaches the top of the tub in an empty machine.

 

[combo52]

Very Nice Demonstration

It is always fun to see what goes on inside a DW.

 

I have had one of these DWs in my home for nearly two years now and while it basically produces clean dishes it is on the way out of my kitchen.

 

The racks are the worst I have ever seen in a DW, nothing stays put in the top rack, and things fall through the lower rack, they are too dark in color and very irregular in configuration which makes loading this machine a constant puzzle.

 

The cleaning ability in the corners of the top rack with the X arm is terrible.

 

The overall cleaning looks good, BUT the final rinse water is cloudy and oily and the machine often develops a bad stale odor if you don't leave the door open.

 

I could learn to live with this DW if it wasn't for the fact the 1987 WP does so much better job, there is just no comparison when you are unloading both machines, both machines have the same water supply and detergents used in them.

 

I am going to put in another WP in place of the GE, if anyone wants this GE speak up or I am just going to turn it into a pile of spare parts I will not sell it to a customer.

 

PS This GE DW was given to me by an appliance distributor because they could not get the door to close properly. We fixed the closure but it does leak a little water under the door once in a while, I have not bothered to try fixing it because I knew after a few months I would not keep this DW.

 

The front of this DW is black in color.

 

[johnb300m]

Thanks John!

If I'm honest, there ARE some issues with this platform, which you touched upon.

- The top rack layout is less than desirable, however I've quickly gotten used to the pattern. There's the section where the tines fold down on the left, and the folding clips are terribly placed, where they don't allow half the glasses to sit steady in the rack, so they will roll around, fall over etc.

- The top rack roller glides seem very smooth to me. However they do make a (faint) scraping noise as they move. It's not offensive to me at all, but to some I guess it is. I have noticed, depending on the load, the rollers will gunk up with sediment, and become stiff. Which works it's way out after a wash or two.

- The bottom rack holds a ton of dishes, but it's not as flexible as it looks sometimes.

- The corners are a weak spot for sure, and the standard arm does alleviate it as demonstrated upthread.

- With certain loads, there will be grit in the tops of cups, but it's very fine silt. Still annoying.

- The filter cup is not nearly as good at staying clean as WP's filter systems today. I need to rinse mine every 2-4 weeks. But it's not been a personal bother thus far.

However I have not had any of the greasy last-rinse water issues, or odor that you proclaim. My machine always smells fresh.
The cup or so of water that remains in the sump is sometimes a little cloudy from the remnants of rinse aid, but it's never oily or stinky.

Thus far I am enjoying the machine.
And I have become very attached to the top level bottle jets!
However, I have made a pact that if it requires a repair of over $200, or more than $200 within two years.....I will sell it for parts....and join the wonderful world of Whirlpool.
As their new dishwashers have seriously impressed me as of late.

 

[johnb300m]

Yeah Frig!
I was happily surprised as well.
Most of the jets on the lower spray are angled, so they never get to the ceiling. But the few that go straight up do indeed spray with enough force to definitely pelt the ceiling real good.

The upper zone is definitely more gentle, yet not weak in any sense either. And that standard mid arm does seem to throw more forcefully.

 

[frigilux]

I have no complaints about my GE's cleaning ability, but I agree with both Johns that the racks are a weak point. The tine indents and stays are flimsy. I'm the one who is bugged by the cheap, scraping sound the glides make when moving the upper rack in or out. I find the interior rather tight---space-wise---compared to the TOL LG it replaced. It is wonderfully quiet.

Mine is here for the full span of its natural life. After that: KitchenAid.

 

[johnb300m]

Suave Loading Pics

'ello folks.
The main squeeze and I feasted on some pretty epic pasta, antipasti salad, and garlic bread the other night. It made a mess of the kitchen, that's for sure.
But it made for a fun load in the PDT720!
It was the right combination of dish and cookware to load both racks very tightly, with the upper rack in the low position to take full plates and cookware as well.
First time I've done that because the upper rack when lowered, causes the middle spray arm to kinda crash into things. But it worked out the other night!

The deets:
Very starchy pot and collander.
Crusty pans from AM's bacon, and the night's sausage and vodka sauce.
Lots of plastic storageware mixed in.
Baking pan.

Autosense cycle
Boost Heat
Steam Prewash
"Bottle Jets" to give the upper rack more TLC.
Heated Dry.
238 minutes!
Cascade Complete GEL, (hisssssss, i know lol. But it's been working very well thus far with my water experiments)

Everything came out sparkling clean!

 

[appnut]

John, I didn't realize the upper rack was that "tiered".  Unless paying close attention, would make loading in the lower position a challenge to make sure spray arm isn't blocked.

 

If as dirty as described (if not moreso) and as loaded as it was, "BobLoad" certified. 

 

[johnb300m]

Bob! Thank you.
Such an honor.
You're right the tiered-ness of the upper rack is a bit extreme.

I used to like em, but I think I'm over the tiered thing.
It does hamper loading talk things in the silverware basket at times.
However, it IS handy too for tall beer and wine glasses st times as well.
Pros and cons I guess.

 

[mark_wpduet]

Cool!

I haven't been on much lately - I just noticed the clear door video. Very cool. I like how much water is going to the top....I'm sure as this is happening, the water pouring down on the bottom rack helps the bottom dishes somewhat too. Even though it's not using much water, everything up top is getting sprayed really good. It does look like a fancy fountain. I didn't even know clear service doors existed.I want one!

 

[johnb300m]

clear door mods?

Murando and I have been hunting but it seems like only GE has a clear OEM door for service work, on the 2012+ platforms with the manual filter cup.
However, if someone out there wants to get a clear GE door, and try to modify it to another platform, ala WP tall tub......we could have lots of fun!