Liquids vs Powders (Euro)

[MrX]

I've been using Persil small and might recently and must say while it smells great, it's really lousey at actually shifting any serious stains.

I had some stains on gym gear, washed them with S&M and they stayed on!

Tried with Persil Colour (Biological) powder - gone without a trace.

There's definitely no comparision between the cleaning power of the powders vs the liquids. I think I'm switching back to persil powder again and just finding a comfort fabric softener that I like the smell of

 

[dj-gabriele]

You're right! I love how the powders wash. I never tried Persil as you can't find it in Italy, but it seems a favorite when I go to England. My hosts always used it.
As for liquids I never use them for regular loads, only for dark or delicates and I make sure to get myself professional detergents (just call my dad for them). The difference between regular liquids and professional is like night and day! Plus they are smell-less so I can wear my perfume whenever I like without the need to air the clothes for one day to get rid of the detergent smell! I only like the smell of regular Dash powder and Coccolino "fresh" conforter.

 

[foraloysius]

Gabriele,

Don't you have Omo in Italy? It's the same as the UK Persil, not sure about the smell though. And IIRC Dixan is sold in Italy, the scent is wonderful.

Luigi

 

[dj-gabriele]

Omo? We used to have it, I remember the ads in vintage magazines my mom collected, but it was like 20 years ago, yes, we also have dixan but I don't like the smell that much and it doesn't give the same results as dash.... I only get it when the supermarket makes discounts or sales.

 

[whirlcool]

I think that we are switching over to powdered detergents after our supply of liquids runs out estimating the end of the year.
We had a problem with mold and a detergent build up in our washer. We have pretty soft water, and while we only use a minimum of detergent to get the job done, there is always a suds build up in the rinse cycles.
I ran a wash cycle through with no clothes and no detergents and we still have some suds. Not a lot, but nonetheless it was there. It was worse when we used American detergents like Cheer and Tide liquids. Not so bad with Persil liquids.
So we ran a few loads with very hot water (130 or so) and Cascade Complete. We then ran another load with the Cascade Complete and let it sit overnight. Then followed the next day after a good rinse, and used a relatively strong (4 cups) of Clorox liquid bleach and let that sit for a few hours.
The washer now smells nice again, and we aren't having any sudsing problems in the rinse. We have been using Persil Non-Bio powder for the past few weeks and all seems well.
And our washer is a TL machine.

 

[kirk280980]

Am currently using Persil S&M myself and really like it, because it's very low sudsing and rinses out easily. The scent reminds me a little of classic Ariel liquid, which is another bonus. That said, in my experience no liquid detergent does an outstanding job on serious soiling, particularly where bleachable stains are concerned. Just seems to be the nature of the beast.

Luckily I can get away with using S&M as my everyday detergent, because it's not often that my clothes get truly dirty and generally they only need refreshing. Not sure I would want to rely on a liquid alone if I had stains or grungy whites to deal with however - for those I either add a separate oxygen bleach/stain remover product, or keep a small box of Ariel or Persil tablets handy specifically for such loads.

 

[lavamat78800]

Hey dj-gabriele

Coccolino is the professional detergent for delicates like woolens, am I right?
When I was working in an italian Laundry we had 3 different Coccolinos, a green one, a rosa one, and a blue (?) one.
I liked the rosa one most.
Do you have Ariel in Italy too?

Nino

 

[MrX]

There are two key differences -

Persil S&M relies on 2 enzymes - Amylase - glycoside hydrolase enzymes that break down starch into glucose molecule
and Protease - any enzyme that conducts proteolysis, that is, begins protein catabolism by hydrolysis of the peptide bonds that link amino acids together in the polypeptide chain.

Persil powder, including the colour variety adds:
Lipase - a water-soluble enzyme that catalyzes the hydrolysis of ester bonds in water–insoluble, lipid substrate

That will break down fats, oils, grease and greasy stains.

(Ariel powder doesn't have this, nor do most of the own brands that I'm aware of in the UK/IRL market)

This gives persil powder outstanding performance on greasy food stains, glues, make up etc

 

[2drumsallergy]

SA8 with Bioquest

Firstly I must say I'm not a fan of Amway or thier method of marketing. But I have to speak honestly about their Laundry Detergent SA8 with Bioquest, SA8 is exceptional at removing stains; as for rinsing nothing comes close the first rinse is always totally clear. If you dissolve some SA8 in a glass jug of cold water the resulting solution becomes totally clear within a minute or so, amazing but true. It has a light clean old fashioned scent too.

David

 

[northernmary]

Laundry Detergent SA8 with Bioquest where do we get this from ????

 

[2drumsallergy]

Amway Products

Hi northernmary,
Amway products are available from Amway IBO's (Independent Business Owners) some IBO's offer Amway products including SA8 for sale on eBay. If you go to the link you will find contact details for Amway UK just call them and they will direct you to your neared IBO.
It would be a much simpler affair if you lived in the US as the Quixstar web site http:/www.quixtar.com/ sells directly to end users.

Sorry I can't be of more help. Seriously though it is a great detergent as I am sure other AW.org members will attest too.

David

Amway United Kingdom Homepage

homepage

www.amway.co.uk

 

[rolls_rapide]

Ariel Powder

A few years ago now, Ariel powder had four enzymes: amylase, cellulase, lipase and protease. Then they changed the formulation and amylase and lipase disappeared, with glycosidase putting in an appearance.

A recent "Which?" report stated that powders cleaned better than liquids or tablets; that biological formulations cleaned better than non-bio.

The top performing powders were Ariel and Persil Biologicals, and Persil Non-Bio.

Shops' own brands and Ecover had poor results.

 

[launderess]

Bio formulas will always out clean non-bio unless one increases mechanical action and water temps, and even then.

Our mothers and grandmothers had no end of trouble trying to shift protien and other bio type stains. In the old days one used ox gall (bile), then pepsin came along, but still it required much hot water, and lots of scrubbing to shift stains. Today using a TOL bio detergent one can literally soak laundry clean in warm water.

 

[MrX]

It's a way of hiding the ingredients :0)

Seems P&G are simply hiding the specific enzymes they use by calling them glycosidases i.e. Glycoside hydrolases!

This is a group of enzymes that can include:
lactase, amylase, chitinase, sucrase, maltase, neuraminidase, invertase, hyaluronidase and lysozyme! (and quite a few other enzymes)

So, basically it's avoiding revealing the precise enzymes used in their products -- sneaky !

 

[dj-gabriele]

Yeah for Coccolino!

Yes, the blue one is the "original" parfume, rose and green are "newer" fragrances (using "" because new means 15-20 years) plus they recently added a "white fresh" fragrance. Oh, and I've just seen they added orange, fresh mint and yellow energy fragrances too.
My favourite is the original blue one, but since the brand was acquired from Unilever they changed the formula a little and the smell is slighty different!!

As for Ariel we have it too, but I dislike the smell so I never bought it, the liquid goes quite good as sales but Ariel powder is almost discontinued, very hard to find.

 

[oxydolfan1]

Dj, who did Unilever sell Coccolino off to?

 

[dj-gabriele]

Oh no, it was unilever that acquired the coccolino brand, it happened something like a couple of years ago, now I can't really remember who held the name before but it wasn't unilvever for sure, their logo appeared on the bottles only recently.