matchboxpaul
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a bit out of focus
the spare parts listing for the different parts for the 1851/03 over the 1851...
the spare parts listing for the different parts for the 1851/03 over the 1851...
Look what came home with me from Manchester
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matchboxpaul
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wiring diagram for the 1851/03...
matchboxpaul
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hope the info helps Lee.
Anything else needed then let me know and I will try and find it.
Cheers
Paul
Anything else needed then let me know and I will try and find it.
Cheers
Paul
hotpoint95622
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Hotpoint Liberator De Luxe 1851-03
Absolutely fantastic, thank you very much Paul, you are so lucky to have this information and I would give my hind teeth for it.
It’s all there in the last diagram, yes it’s a two step pressure switch and as I thought she should fill to level one with cold, then to level two with the softener, also the two step pressure switch has been used as a dry protection for the heater which I cant see on the other charts. I also notice that the dispenser should have a switch like the 1828 so I think the nib on the draw front has snapped off and the switch has been removed to rectify the problem, maybe some thing to consider on the re-build.
Thermostat has a 40c 60c and 85c so that means 95c for program 1 is achieved with timed heating after the thermostat has closed.
Ever indebted. Lee
Absolutely fantastic, thank you very much Paul, you are so lucky to have this information and I would give my hind teeth for it.
It’s all there in the last diagram, yes it’s a two step pressure switch and as I thought she should fill to level one with cold, then to level two with the softener, also the two step pressure switch has been used as a dry protection for the heater which I cant see on the other charts. I also notice that the dispenser should have a switch like the 1828 so I think the nib on the draw front has snapped off and the switch has been removed to rectify the problem, maybe some thing to consider on the re-build.
Thermostat has a 40c 60c and 85c so that means 95c for program 1 is achieved with timed heating after the thermostat has closed.
Ever indebted. Lee
Nice electrical diagrams.
But I can't find the circuit that opens the bomb bay doors.
LOL.
PS-Nice machine, I think. All that rust does make me appreciate the classic Miele construction - where all the steel is thickly finished enameled inside and out - white. My Maytag Neptune front loader suffers greatly in comparison, what with it being only powder coated, and not coated enough on the underside of the top panel, and the edges of the top mounted detergent dispenser orifice getting significant rusting, just like in your photos of the Hotpoint.
But I can't find the circuit that opens the bomb bay doors.
LOL.
PS-Nice machine, I think. All that rust does make me appreciate the classic Miele construction - where all the steel is thickly finished enameled inside and out - white. My Maytag Neptune front loader suffers greatly in comparison, what with it being only powder coated, and not coated enough on the underside of the top panel, and the edges of the top mounted detergent dispenser orifice getting significant rusting, just like in your photos of the Hotpoint.
hotpoint95622
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Hotpoint Liberator De Luxe 1851-03
Sudsmaster
It’s a shame the paint not being coated enough you would think it would be applied better, but that’s the problem with mass production and keeping cost down, not much care to the out of site places which is where this Hotpoint has the worst corrosion.
Sudsmaster
It’s a shame the paint not being coated enough you would think it would be applied better, but that’s the problem with mass production and keeping cost down, not much care to the out of site places which is where this Hotpoint has the worst corrosion.
electron1100
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Thin Paint
sort of "nets at the windows but no sheets on the beds"
sort of "nets at the windows but no sheets on the beds"
hotpoint95622
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Hotpoint Liberator De Luxe 1851-03
Guilty as charged.
Hopefully she won’t be guilty of that once I have finished the restoration; pelmets match the drapes and a nice blue valance.
Guilty as charged.
Hopefully she won’t be guilty of that once I have finished the restoration; pelmets match the drapes and a nice blue valance.
electron1100
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Going up market
Sounds a bit "Bay Window" to me ;-)
Sounds a bit "Bay Window" to me ;-)
hotpoint95622
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Hotpoint Liberator De Luxe 1851-03
Not bloody likely, far too posh for Powys, single glazed, with lots of ventilation, it’s warmer in the fridge.
Not bloody likely, far too posh for Powys, single glazed, with lots of ventilation, it’s warmer in the fridge.
electron1100
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drafts
Aww Sash windows dont yah love em, sticky in the summer rattly and efffin draughty in the winter.......big heavy curtains to keep the draughts out........i remember those days well, oh and a big curtain behind the front door coz that was shagged and the letter box blew open in the wind ;-) we never bothered switching our fridge on the because the kitchen was so cold
Aww Sash windows dont yah love em, sticky in the summer rattly and efffin draughty in the winter.......big heavy curtains to keep the draughts out........i remember those days well, oh and a big curtain behind the front door coz that was shagged and the letter box blew open in the wind ;-) we never bothered switching our fridge on the because the kitchen was so cold
hotpoint95622
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Hotpoint Liberator De Luxe 1851-03
Yes, I’m being nagged agene, I’m in my shirt sleeves which are rolled up, aren’t you cold says the committee “no, but if you are just put another log on the fire or work outside all day then it would feel warm in here to you lot too, bloody indoors to much.
Just been asked to clear the snow off the drive, what planet are they on.
Yes, I’m being nagged agene, I’m in my shirt sleeves which are rolled up, aren’t you cold says the committee “no, but if you are just put another log on the fire or work outside all day then it would feel warm in here to you lot too, bloody indoors to much.
Just been asked to clear the snow off the drive, what planet are they on.
electron1100
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The Orders
well i would agree to go outside.........Too the Garage and seek refuge with your only freinds in there.........arghhh peace and harmony return
Dont talk to me about working outside all day, thursday i was frozen right through, i got home quick cup of tea electric blanket on and in bed..........
We have this weather all weekend.......im hiding in the office as much as i can sod the punters they can carry there own shite (unless it has hte "H" word on it)
well i would agree to go outside.........Too the Garage and seek refuge with your only freinds in there
.........arghhh peace and harmony returnDont talk to me about working outside all day, thursday i was frozen right through, i got home quick cup of tea electric blanket on and in bed..........
We have this weather all weekend.......im hiding in the office as much as i can sod the punters they can carry there own shite (unless it has hte "H" word on it)
hotpoint95622
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Hotpoint Liberator De Luxe 1851-03
Sunday morning, I ventured out to the garage but only lasted 20 minutes, it’s to bloody cold, my weather stations monitor says it got down to -11c last night and as I type it is only -2c at noon
So I have spent the time I was out there looking at the speed module on the old girl, the diagrams supplied by Paul fascinated me, it’s a bit different to most I have come across in the past, the module is in two parts.
Boring ramblings over.
Red and black spade connections just right from the big black axel capacitor are for the thermistor
You can just see the connections to the MPC bottomed right
The main module which is located behind the options switches and has the connections to the timer for speed selection and the tacho for speed feed back.
And the power micro circuit board located next to the mains suppressor. It’s this smaller part that got my attention. It’s connected to the main module and the motor.
The power micro circuit holds the solid state switch (thyristor or SCR “silicon controlled rectifier”) which controls the voltage to the motor, this also indicated the motor runs on DC voltage and may explain the different sound the motor makes.
In all other speed modules I have looked at this part is on the main board fixed to the large heat sink (the part you don’t want to touch when the machine is switched on and normal has warnings all over it, because it will bite!!) and is normally a triac which switches AC current instead, but in this setup the solid state switch which must be of an isolated type as it is fixed to the back of the metal back plate to which the option switches ect are fixed to, so this plate must acted as the heat sink.
I have also noticed that the motor dose not seem to have a thermal cut-out for over heating protection fitted inline with the live feed, instead it has a thermistor (a resistor which changes according to temperature) fitted and this is connected to the main module separately, I can only surmise that if the motor get too hot the resistance changes with temperature and triggers some sort of protection circuit within the module.
Sunday morning, I ventured out to the garage but only lasted 20 minutes, it’s to bloody cold, my weather stations monitor says it got down to -11c last night and as I type it is only -2c at noon
So I have spent the time I was out there looking at the speed module on the old girl, the diagrams supplied by Paul fascinated me, it’s a bit different to most I have come across in the past, the module is in two parts.
Boring ramblings over.
Red and black spade connections just right from the big black axel capacitor are for the thermistor
You can just see the connections to the MPC bottomed right
The main module which is located behind the options switches and has the connections to the timer for speed selection and the tacho for speed feed back.
And the power micro circuit board located next to the mains suppressor. It’s this smaller part that got my attention. It’s connected to the main module and the motor.
The power micro circuit holds the solid state switch (thyristor or SCR “silicon controlled rectifier”) which controls the voltage to the motor, this also indicated the motor runs on DC voltage and may explain the different sound the motor makes.
In all other speed modules I have looked at this part is on the main board fixed to the large heat sink (the part you don’t want to touch when the machine is switched on and normal has warnings all over it, because it will bite!!) and is normally a triac which switches AC current instead, but in this setup the solid state switch which must be of an isolated type as it is fixed to the back of the metal back plate to which the option switches ect are fixed to, so this plate must acted as the heat sink.
I have also noticed that the motor dose not seem to have a thermal cut-out for over heating protection fitted inline with the live feed, instead it has a thermistor (a resistor which changes according to temperature) fitted and this is connected to the main module separately, I can only surmise that if the motor get too hot the resistance changes with temperature and triggers some sort of protection circuit within the module.
hotpoint95622
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Hotpoint Liberator De Luxe 1851-03
Stupid computer that’s not how I typed it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stupid computer that’s not how I typed it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
electron1100
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Jealous PC's
The reason is your PC has seen a high qaulity circuit board that is built using components that are operating well within their safe operating ranges, not like modern designs where all the components are running as close as is possible to their safe maximum operating limits, with resulting high failure rate that modern made circuits have.
Witness the high failure rate on modern machines boards
Twas effin freezing at work today (again) no washers came in to mention but a beuooootiful very very old Hotpoint electric kettle turned up with mains lead, the heating element is built into the bottom of it so it not visible (bit like modern ones) i know it is off topic sorry
I will try it out tomorrow (usual just fill it up and plug it in) see what happens approach ;-)
The reason is your PC has seen a high qaulity circuit board that is built using components that are operating well within their safe operating ranges, not like modern designs where all the components are running as close as is possible to their safe maximum operating limits, with resulting high failure rate that modern made circuits have.
Witness the high failure rate on modern machines boards
Twas effin freezing at work today (again) no washers came in to mention but a beuooootiful very very old Hotpoint electric kettle turned up with mains lead, the heating element is built into the bottom of it so it not visible (bit like modern ones) i know it is off topic sorry
I will try it out tomorrow (usual just fill it up and plug it in) see what happens approach ;-)
hotpoint95622
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Hotpoint Liberator De Luxe 1851-03
Hotpoint Kettle, put a pic on for us. Pretty please.
Hotpoint Kettle, put a pic on for us. Pretty please.
hoover1100
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oh and a big curtain behind the front door coz that was shag
Sounds like my new flat! Draught excluders on every door now pretty much! (Could do with a curtain on the front door given the 2 foot gap between the top of the door and the frame!)
Anyway lovely machine btw, have really enjoyed reading about your restoration efforts, so nice to see it returing to a pristine state!
Matt
Sounds like my new flat! Draught excluders on every door now pretty much! (Could do with a curtain on the front door given the 2 foot gap between the top of the door and the frame!)
Anyway lovely machine btw, have really enjoyed reading about your restoration efforts, so nice to see it returing to a pristine state!
Matt
electron1100
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Draughts
Bloody nightmare, our house is only 20 yrs old double glazed etc and that is draughty in places..........yes get the big old scary (monsters hide behind them curtains up) ;-)
Bloody nightmare, our house is only 20 yrs old double glazed etc and that is draughty in places..........yes get the big old scary (monsters hide behind them curtains up) ;-)
electron1100
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Hotpoint 80073A
Well Lee
I have lived to tell the tale ;-)
filled it up plugged it in and it works,nice and quiet in operation like most of the old metal kettles, bit wiffy though, old kettles often are, i think it is the years of sweaty hands gripping the handles, when they get warm they let off this slighty acrid smell.
I shall clean it up inside and out and get rid of the wiff, i noramlly soak the handle in washing powder
Well Lee
I have lived to tell the tale ;-)
filled it up plugged it in and it works,nice and quiet in operation like most of the old metal kettles, bit wiffy though, old kettles often are, i think it is the years of sweaty hands gripping the handles, when they get warm they let off this slighty acrid smell.
I shall clean it up inside and out and get rid of the wiff, i noramlly soak the handle in washing powder
