Made in Deutschland, German washer pic thread

[lederstiefel1]

Electric version

Yes! That's the electric version - had to be connected to 3phase-alternating current at 220V/4.5 KW or 380V/6.5 KW (today 230V/4.5 KW respectively 400V/6.5KW)!!
There was also a version with gas heating and two versions for steam heating: low pressure steam with 120°C and high pressure with 400°C for use in hotels and other commercial washing.

Ralf

 

[fredriksam]

Hi there. Sorry for not replying for a while. now lets see....

re:Miele top loader wash problems:I spoke to a former repair man i know very well. He told me there were problems with the bearings and timers on the early Miele toploaders from the 70´s. When someone wanted to repair one of these, they let the owner buy a new machine instead. It was Mieles decision to do so, because they felt bad the machine was not in their "quality" standard. The later ones with the control panel i have not heard much about.

re:Siemens compact toploader (cordes or not): Well, these machines was sold under many many different names. We have seen them under the names: Cordes, Siemens, BBC, Electrolux and Trans Mekano. So, who was the manufactor of the machines?
It was Blomberg-Werke that made these machines. Then they were bougt from Siemens, BBC. etc, and sold under their names.
BUT, on the backside it only said "made in West-Germany".

Re: Siemens toploaded dryer: Just as the washing machines i mentioned above, this dryer was also made by Blomberg-Werke. After all text i have included a pic from a swedish magazine where they mention that. I have myself such a dryer, but its the smaller model.

That old Miele that was heated by hot coal looks cool. I have never seen one (expect from pictures). I have never seen a Miele twintub either until i saw the pics here. The Miele 412 was never sold here. They started to sell them from model 421 and forward.

The Aeg turnamat looks also great. These machines just go and go. I think its because the spinner is separate and the machines are so simple done. No digital clock there LOL.

That Matura is also awesome. I have had a similar model a few years. It almost caught on fire. That was quite scary.

 

[fredriksam]

Here is a pic of the old machine when i was going to recycle it. The guy that is srewing on the Philips toploader worked with me. We repiared some machines and sold them as "used" That old machine was also made in germany

 

[lederstiefel1]

..interesting work-position of the guy....lol
...ducks and runs......

I know, sometimes I'm really naughty....

Ralf

 

[foraloysius]

Fredrik,

What old machine came from Germany? The frontloader with the drop down door? If so, what brand is it? I've seen this picture before, always wondered what kind of machine it was.

Ralf,

Really naughty indeed, that's a Super forum remark! Off topic!!! LOL

Louis

 

[fredriksam]

Yep, it was the frontloader with the drop down door that was made in Germany. The brands name?. Well on the front it said "centrifugal wash automat". I think it had been a smaller name plate on it as well, but it was gone.

On the backside it said "made in west-germany". It was a real boil machine. You can set the temp at 100 celsius at max. I never did that. It might have been a early Blomberg.

The spin speed was 500 rpm (thats what it said on the backside anyway). It worked good until it caught on fire (the program motor)I fyou look close at the photo, you may see its burnt at the top there.

The other workers position? well he was unscrewing a screw at the pump there. I think he was making fun of strange positions there. He was always joking and laughing about things. Even things that wasnt funny but still. We worked together in 4 years, repairing machines.

 

[jetcone]

Oh Louis

THANK YOU for making me fall in love with Miele Backsplash!

I WANT THAT SECOND ONE THE 406!!! 406 406 406.....

ANNNNNDDDD!!!I WANT THAT COAL FIRED MIELE! WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY TOO COOL! WITH COPPER TUB AND ALL!

 

[foraloysius]

Jon,

That coal fired Miele is great, isn’t it? But I was wondering if it wouldn’t make sense for you to have the steam heated version, connected to your furnace. No trouble with coal, but only clean steam! And you’d still have the copper tub!

Fredrik,

Now you are making it difficult! LOL! AFAIK only Constructa and Bauknecht made real boil machines. To me that machine doesn't look like a Constructa and it doesn't look much like a Bauknecht either. Anyone else who knows more about this machine?

 

[lederstiefel1]

Jon and Frederik and Louis

Hi, Jon - then get it! Bid on it and look for ashipping to the US - but keep in mind to connect it to your 240V/AC line as it works only with 220-240V/AC usually 50 hertz but I think 60 hertz will do, too, wouldn't it??
Louis, solid-fuel burner is better as it can be fed with wood as well and that is much more environmental friendly than coal or steam from gas-heating or oil-heating!
Frederik, I do not know either which brand that machine is...only machine I remember that had that special front-door to avoid a rubber bellow seal arround the door was AEG - one of my aunt had it! But was difficult to watch spinning as the machine stopped working when the drop down door was opend for more than several inches...

Happy week-end to all of you!
Cheers, Ralf

 

[fredriksam]

Well well well. I took a peak at my old saved paper clips about washing machines. I have saved lots and lots of paper commercials, tests and much more. Unfortenly only from swedish magazines. I found the front loaded machine i had there. It appaers it was called "Nyma Centrifugal Wash Automat". I also found another interresting Zanker machine, but first this one.

I dont have any explanations on it, but on the temperature dial the highest mark was on 100 celsius. And it said made in west germany on the backside. Turns out its kinda a mysterious machine i had there. LOL

the magazine scan here below mentions spin speed 750 rpm.
Huh? On mine it said 500 rpm. Weird.

 

[fredriksam]

The other machine i found was an frontloaded Zanker machine with a drop down door. It was called "Zanker PA". Maybe some German readers have info about this one?

I know i have had a better and bigger picture of this machine, but unfortenly i cant find it anymore.

 

[foraloysius]

Fredrik,

Thank you for the pictures, that Zanker looks very interesting. Is that a backsplash machine?

The (AB) Nyma is a fascinating machine. Perhaps you had a cheaper model with a lower spinspeed? It looks like it was the prerunner for the Asko's.

 

[mrboilwash]

I think Rondo is BBC and German made back in its days.
It is currently on Ebay. Someone should save it.

http://cgi.ebay.de/50er-Jahre-Waschmaschine-RONDO-Waschautomat-DORIS-A_W0QQitemZ180095033907QQcategoryZ138792QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[jetcone]

Whats BBC mean for the Rondo?

Is that an early Bosch?? I love the name Doris A! Was there a Doris B?

It looks like a 220V machine did this one spin dry or just wash and rinse?

Jon

 

[mrboilwash]

The Rondo has a 3 phase 380 Volt plug. Traditionally a "cold fill only" nation a lot of the early German automatics could either be connected to standart 220 Volt power as well as 380 Volt to shorten heating times.

BBC stands for Brown, Bovery & Cie, a Swiss company that also produced in Germany. That brandname doesn`t exist anymore.
I think I remember a link between Rondo and BBC. Correct me if I`m wrong.

 

[mrboilwash]

Oh, I almost forgot,it did spindry, but there is no information about the spinspeed in the auction

 

[lederstiefel1]

Rondo

Rondo was a factory not far from Wuppertal where I'm from. It was situated in Ennepetal and many neighbours had machines from that brand. I do not know, wether it belonged once to BBC (Brown, Bovery & Cie.).

Ralf

 

[foraloysius]

Yes, I think the Rondo brand was owned by the Brown Bovery Company. Later BBC merged with Asea into ABB (Asea Brown Bovery). Funny is that Asea brought the Asea Cylinda washers with them so there was the washing machines were back into the company for a while. Later Asko bought the white goods division and the appliances were renamed Asko.

I'm reposting the picture of the control panel here, it's quite interesting. You can see the timer has a part called "Schleudern", wich is the spin cycle. I see there is a temperature control too, but I was wondering what the big dial on the right hand side is for.

 

[mrboilwash]

Louis, the big dial on the righ is only an ON/OFF switch.

 

[foraloysius]

Thank you Stefan!

I got a message today from Berthold, the owner of the Matura frontloader (here's another picture of it). He told me quite a bit of this brand's history and about his particular machine. A few things he told me:

What I didn't know is that Matura also made real boil wash machines. So it weren't only Constructa and Bauknecht who did this. I was even wondering if the machine that Fredrik showed us perhaps could be a Matura too. Fredrik, does the name Matura say something to you?

The Maturas were built by Lepper in Bad Honeff am Rhein, which is near Cologne. Lepper was a generator manufacturer by origin and is now owned by ABB (Asea Brown Bovery). Another brand that belongs to the history of this company. If they would have kept all the brands they once owned they could have been a considerable player in the market!

In Germany the Matura's were distributed by Quelle, which is Germany's biggest mail order firm. The machines that weren't sold through the "Quelle Katalog" were sold under the Respekta label. Besides that Lepper also produced washer/dryer combo's for Scharpf and AEG.

Lepper invented the balance correction system for frontloaders and the turbine which was found in washer/dryers.

Now about his particular machine. He purchased this machine through eBay for only €50.- which is $65.-. Spectacular for a NIB machine! It once belonged to an old woman who had bought it but didn't have the necessary connections in her home, so she kept it in the box. After her death this machine was put on eBay by her niece.