Maytag Commercial MVWP576KW vs Maytag Commercial Technology MVWC565FW (replacing a Maytag A8120)

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Advantages of a TL

A top loader fits my laundry room better.

My clothes are clean despite whatever FL promoters may try to tell you.

I can do a load in half an hour.

I can open the lid to add clothes or watch the wash action.

I don't have mold problems.

I don't have problems with unbalanced loads, my Speed Queen is rock solid and doesn't so much as shimmy.

It's a few hundred cheaper than the FL model.

I can use whatever detergent I want.

I'm sure I could come up with more, but I admit I can't give a comparison from personal experience as I haven't owned a FL, but I know people who have and have been dissatisfied.

I'm kind of surprised that with over a hundred thousand posts on a washing machine forum would need to ask what the advantages are and wonder why people like them, but if you really don't know there are many articles on the web that a quick search will turn up that you can compare.
 
"Excessive" water use

For what it's worth, I have a well, and around here water is considered a renewable resource. I'm not real concerned with water use other than the wear and tear on the pump and such.

Which brings up another peeve I have: We're all so concerned about conserving resources, but we buy HE junk that barely lasts five years if we're lucky, and rarely considered the costs of landfills full of modern Whirlpool and other cheaply made products, and all the resources required to build the replacements that will also go to the landfill way too soon.
 
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Not bashing on modern appliances, just mentioning to keep their machine running as long as possible. Sure, modern appliances aren’t quite my preference but I just don’t want someone to have something newer that will perform worse than their previous machine nor be reliable.

I don’t remember unfriending you on Facebook, I think you may have unfriended me since I don’t recall unfriending you on Facebook. I never unfriend people on Facebook unless if people who friended me or I friend them and they never reach out to me.
 
Not bashing:

Denial is not only a river in Egypt.

I found no less than 8 remarks in the last year wit the phrase "piss-poor". "Piss-poor design, piss-poor washing, piss-poor performance" and that is only with that phrase. Enough is enough.

And in regard to Facebook, you should just refresh your mind, because I have a good recollection of what happened.

Back to modern washers.
 
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Why are you bringing this stuff up? Lately I’ve been keeping to my self in a way and haven’t started anything with anyone as of late. I simply commented on how to keep your machine running as long as possible, not “You HAVE to keep you Maytag running as long as possible”, I merely just suggested to keep your machine running for as long as possible not you HAVE to keep your machine running for as long as possible.
 
Well, I think Lorainfurniture gets us back to the OPs question and agrees pretty much with everyone's general consensus here, assuming the OP really must get or keep one of the three machines he asked about.

I just hope the OP is still here and finds the discussion helpful.

Personally, this discussion has made me wonder if I should have just put a big rock in a stock tank.
 
I think you would be wise to check other sources, Consumer Reports seems to have their own agendas nowadays.

I believe that pinkpower4 on this board has a Maytag Commercial and is pleased with it. Search for her and other owner's views on the washing performance. I'm pretty sure Lorainfurniture has done some valuable reviews. From what I remember seeing most owners are satisfied with the washing performance.
 
I think you would be wise to check other sources, Consumer R

What agenda would that be and why? It's not like they rated all the other Maytag models so poorly nor all the other WP products. This one in particular of all makes and models got the lowest score on it's regular settings. They can't test every washer on every setting to see if diddling with something improves it so they test them according to how they are rated for their energy star performance, apples to apples. Washing performance is measurable. It can be measured scientifically with electronic equipment to see remaining dirt the human eye cannot and it must be repeatable each and every time and that's what they do. Don't think for a moment that the manufacturers don't scrutinize their reports to the nth degree looking for such conspiracy theories such as the one you just made, or just plain errors or mistakes in their testing, and you know what they can't find any. Because once again all the tests are repeatable. Besides that they invite manufacturers and the public in, and manufacturers invite them in as well. So again i ask, what are these agendas you claim they have that affects how they rate washing machines or appliances in general? As well what other credible sources are there.. certainly not a NY Times weekend journalist or JD Powers who are not even a testing organization.
 
I was hoping not to get into politics here, but people seem to insist to criticize every opinion, and even fact here. CR is "Influence Free" and yet takes money from the likes of the Ford Foundation. They are heavily into politics and "green' agendas and such. I even seen articles such as one recommending that people move their money to banks based on the race of their owners, which is the very definition of racism and has nothing to do with the quality of the bank services. I recall the article was written by Brian Vines, look it up if you don't believe me. I've seen articles written by people who have obviously never used or have any firsthand knowledge about the products they pretend to write authoritatively about, such as wood and pellet stoves that contained many mistakes. They specialize in their own alarmist conspiracies, many which have been successfully challenged. Pink hamburger slime, poison peanut butter, and their faulty testing of Suzukis, as I recall, are just some from the top of my mind. CR is itself well funded, and I'm sure corporations don't see the need or value of pursuing every odd claim by CR, especially as people are relying on them less and less thanks to the internet. They continually change their testing methods based on whatever factors they see as relevant at the time. For instance, one type of washer may very well not get the same rating for washing performance, even if they get clothes exactly the same cleanliness, based on the type of washer. So no, I do not believe they always compare apples to apples.

I know these things for a fact because I was a subscriber. They completely lost my trust, you can continue to trust them unquestionably all you want, however don't tell me I have to or I'm some kind of conspiracy nut.

@dadoes yes I know you would never buy a top loader, but you're not a lowly consumer who doesn't know what's good for them either.
 
I don’t trust Consumers Report anymore either, I haven’t for quite some time. I was subscriber for over 20 years. Reviews in the 70’s and 80’s used to be much more detailed. Last I looked not so much. In all honesty I haven’t looked at CR or their annual report in a few years now.

I check out the reviews online by actual owners if I’m looking for the 411 on a product.

Eddie
 
Reviews in the 70’s and 80’s used to be much more detailed.

Yes, that's around the same time frame I enjoyed reading and trusted CR. Even then I had reservations, like it seemed pickup trucks were always lower rated because they compared the ride, handling, and gas mileage to whatever sports car they set as the standard, not seeming to realize the purpose of trucks. One thing I remember is how they rated a brand of motor oil as the best based on their tests. A couple mechanics I knew claimed they never used that brand because the vehicles they worked on that had used that brand for some time tended to have sludge buildup.

I understand how their testing may not be able to detect things like long term real-life testing, however they may try to simulate it. And they tend to rate things like chainsaws as being geared for the average suburban homeowner who cuts a tree branch every couple of years.

But I'm digressing even further from the OP.
 
I have both the Maytag mvwp575gw and the TC5003...

I don't have much time to type.

Before these two top loads, I had a front load LG washer and dryer. I still have the dryer although the control panel is starting to have issues. I had it between 9 and 10 years. I only had two issues with it. The drain pump, which was caused by one of the kids leaving a bobby pin in their pocket. I was able to fix this myself. The other issue was the rotor came loose. It's a big round thing easily accessed by removing the back panel from the washer. Checking this on a regular basis might have prevented this repair. It was under $100 and cost me a little more since I opted to buy from a place that would let me send the part back if it didn't work. I fixed this myself. Mine had a sani wash and I believe it heated the water too. Clothes were clean. Where I think the front loads beat top load (aside from less water and detergent use) is that heated cycle. It took the odor and mildew out of clothes with nothing special other than that cycle. I had no issues with smell. I don't use fabric softener, and I left the door cracked. I use line 2 for large loads and line 1 for small loads of detergent. Where I think the top loads beat front loads, is they can get those comforters and bulky items cleaner simply because they can turn them over exposing all areas with enough water. Some of the LGs have a screw you can turn to add a bit more water. I made sure the water did not come past where one couldn't open the door at any point during the cycle. If I were to get a front load again, it would probably be an LG because of that cycle. I like the idea of the Speed Queen as they've probably nailed the front load, but the cost and lack of heated option give the LG and edge for me. The Speed Queen will likely last longer, but there is a lot more cost difference in the Speed Queen front loads and a good front load of whatever brand you choose. I'm not much on electronics, and front loads in general are more difficult for *me* to fix.

I've have owned the Maytag mvwp575gw for four years, and I've had no issues in my kid and pet friendly home. In my opinion, it is the best overall performance for cleaning and second overall when everything else is considered. The others are correct. Get the 575gw model. You get the 5 yr. parts and labor warranty. This is model is likely sold at your locally owned appliance retailer and NOT the big box store. Ironically, it is less! The main water cycles have tap hot. These cycles wash patterns work as expected.

I also think *I* will be able to find and buy parts less expensive later. There is more on this washer vs the TC5003 that *I* can fix. I am an extra small petite female with no background in appliance repair, sales, etc. It does have some plastic parts compared to the TC5 that may need replacing, but they are easily replaced and not that expensive. It does have a gear box, which is almost a given won't last as long as a transmission. However, they seem to be in the $200 to $300 price range. I think I can replace that. I don't think it's a true commercial washer but definitely one of the better performing and better built residential washers. People having issues with it are using it in commercial settings and looks like with lots of bleach.

The biggest con is the ONLY half tub fill is the Normal cycle. Hot is warm, and warm is cool. This is also the only cycle that has a spray rinse. I find it works well for quick washes or for mixed loads (pants, shorts, T-shirts, etc.). Because the wash time of this cycle is 7 minutes, it isn't really long enough for heavily soiled items. Wash action is too rough for delicates. You can pause the wash at the beginning if you want a presoak. I did modify my setup so I had hot water for the Normal cycle. If you add any options like a presoak or extra rinse, the Normal cycle become a full tub fill with full tub rinse(s) with the water temp chosen.

Wash like items with like items. If you need to wash a pet bed, balance it out with a towel. When used that way, the loads seem to balance themselves out. Take things that don't belong in a washer to the laundry mat.

Key parts in this washer have been upgraded including a thicker belt, bearings, capacitor, etc.

So why did I get the TC5? Some people get go crazy in their old age and buy cars. I decided to see what this washer was all about. I do think there is a point the price will get too high for me or the government will make things worse. My kids are getting older, and I do smaller loads now of delicates, whites, etc.--loads I don't think the Normal cycle of the Maytag works as well or at all for. So I have both washers :-). My opinion hasn't changed from when I didn't have it because I had researched both products well and knew what I had and what I was getting. TC5 wasn't available back in 2018. I think the TC5 is best overall for durability, longevity, and just better made. It is second in cleaning performance but still cleans well! Transmission has a 15 yr. part only warranty. I don't think I can replace that, but I would only be paying for labor if it does go out. My absolute favorite cycle is Normal when used with the heavy option. I get hot water, longer wash time, and the spray rinse works well with a lot of loads. It saves water. I honestly think my spin dryer does a better job of wringing out excess residue than a second rinse would for those loads. BTW, spin dryers greatly reduce the dry time. I have both Panda and Ninja. Overall, I prefer the Ninja for quietness and it seems to balance better as well as wring out a little more water.

In reality, I think the TC5 will last a typical family 15 to 20 years. I say this because that seems to be the average life expectancy of even the old, good washers. I know, I had one of the prized Whirlpools (15 years for us. Maybe more if I had known what I do now). In reality, I think the Maytag will last about ten years maybe 15 (with a few repairs). Keep in mind the Maytag doesn't cost as much as the TC5. Many people on this board can get parts for costs and do the labor themselves. This greatly increases life expectancy for both washers!

What I think is key is the bearings. That is what will take both of them out for me and for most people. There is one thing I'm not sure about though. If one changes out that gear case in the Whirlpool, is that also changing out the bearings? If so, I might be able to keep that one going.

I like both washers very well for different reasons. I plan on keeping both. I was fortunate to get the TC5 at a lower cost by waiting, waiting, and waiting and honestly just plain good luck. Otherwise, I probably would not have it. Where I live they are selling TC5 at or above retail in most places. I can still get the Maytag mvwp575gw for $850 (or only $50 more than I paid).

I did opt for the Speed Queen dryer because mine is going out simply because it has a rack option.

Good luck with your decisons. I do agree with the others if you have one of the old, good Maytags, it may be worth it to keep it going. If you want a TC5, you may need to get on a waiting list in some areas anyway.

I'll be interested in what you decide. This was longer than I planned and not enough about the TC5, but I hope that helps.
 
@pinkpower4, do you find the sound of the Maytag gearbox machine obnoxious at all? For me, that's the only thing that would be leaning me more towards the TC5 if my current washer dies. It just sounds like a washer. Those gearbox machines are noisy in my opinion. That strange whomp...whomp...whomp sound it makes during agitation, so irritating! I personally feel if one has one of those machines, they have to have a dedicated laundry room separate from the rest of the house to be able to stand it and I don't--my washer and dryer is behind a set of doors right in the hallway of my one-bedroom apartment.

I agree with @dadoes in that a front loader is probably the best way to go if one is getting a new machine. However, not everyone has the setup for it. In my case, I would be afraid I wouldn't be able to fit them in my laundry closet, depth concerns, or get the door open all the way because the closet door jam is in the way. But maybe there's more room than I think there is.
 

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