Maytag Commercial MVWP576KW vs Maytag Commercial Technology MVWC565FW (replacing a Maytag A8120)

[DADoES]

 
The operational sound of the Maytag (or any VMW machine, including other brands of the same mechanical design) is largely because the motor continually turns on and off, reversing clockwise and counterclockwise each time to provide the oscillating agitation motion.  SQ TC5 runs the motor continuously in one direction with agitator oscillation provided by the transmission.

 

[ea56]

I have a Roper RTW4516FW2 with the VMW design thats in the laundry closet in the hallway between both bedrooms. I’ve never found the noise to be a problem even when I’ve run the machine after we’ve gone to bed, I just close the folding doors.

One reason that I’ve got a TL is because like ryner1988 there isn’t enough depth in the laundry closet for one of the current generation FL’s. I’d have to take off the folding doors and put up a curtain to conceal the washer and dryer and I’m not down with that at all. Or get a 2.4 cu ft capacity FL and then have to take any large items to the laundromat and I’m not about to do that either.

At any rate, I’ve been very pleased with this Roper. Its dependable, simple and cleans excellently. In three years of service its never given me one single problem.

Eddie

 

[panasonicvac]

My overall thoughts

I've had the privilege of trying out the Maytag Commercial along with the matching dryer. I was a bit disappointed when I found out that Whirlpool moved away from their traditional direct drive top load washers a while ago, the Kenmore 90 Series that I have which used to belong to my grandparents, it's my most favorite washer of all time. But I do applaud of Whirlpool for coming back out with washers that are pretty similar to the direct drive washers, though I feel that they're not quite the same. Here's what I do like about this washer compare to my Kenmore. I like that the tub is bigger, I also like with how much quieter it actually is. Though the noise on the Kenmore have never bothered me, in fact I prefer a washer to be noisy like it's doing something. And I like that when the water fills up, the tub spins around just slightly. Now here's what I don't like about it. As I've said before, the washer feels cheaply made to me. It has a stainless steel basket that can attract magnets, especially the ones that are sharp which can rip through clothes. I also could care less about the electronic control panel, I'm now having a hard time with trusting electronic control panels despite the claims that they are better than mechanical. There's only two water fill options to use. The highest ones can't quite fill all the way to the top. It tempers the water temperature. And I honestly feel like these are way too expensive for what they are. My first impressions, it really did got the job done. Especially that it uses a dual action agitator which can really deep clean but it can however wear out the laundry faster. Would I overall recommend it? Yes I would. But it wouldn't be on my top 5 choices to pick. However, I would certainly recommend it over the MVWC565FW. Anybody out there that is looking for a new Whirlpool top load washer, I would look into the WTW4816FW (Only sold at Lowe's) as I humbly believe that is the ONLY reasonable brand new Whirlpool top load washer to buy on the market today. Even more reasonable than their other cheaper models like the Amana NTW4516FW. But for anybody that wants a Whirlpool top load washer out there regardless if it's new or used, I'd buy a reconditioned direct drive model regardless if it's a Whirlpool, Kenmore, or KitchenAid brand. Same goes for Maytag, I'd buy a reconditioned direct drive Maytag over a brand new one. And for anybody that wants a brand new top load washer on the market today, I'd honestly would look into any Speed Queen model regardless if it's a household or commercial model. Anyways, that's all I wanted to say here.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Whirlpool-3-5-cu-ft-High-Efficiency-Top-Load-Washer-White-While-Supplies-Last/1000064061

 

[windrivers]

First I'll point out that at least a couple of people seem to have missed the fact that the OP has stated the decision was made to keep the old Maytag.

So there are two people at least so far here who have tried, and one owned for 4 years, the Maytag Commercial, and seem to be impressed with the cleaning ability of the Maytag, which goes along with what I read and watched when I thought I was going to get the MT.

I trust their actual experiences far above the "unbiased" and "scientific" testing methods of Consumer Reports, even if that does make me a conspiracy theorist. I can't say I trust all reviews on the Internet, specifically the reviews on shopping sites that are given in exchange for some kind of promotion when the products are brand new, but ones like Lorain Furniture and some other appliance bloggers and dealers I find valuable.

If Consumer Reports really did give it such a low rating, I have to wonder what its methodology was this time around. Did they use the most energy efficient setting they could, and maybe even dock the score based on energy usage? Did they forget to plug it in or connect the faucets? I know Consumer Reports is concerned with promoting energy efficiency, and not being able to "diddle" with all settings to get the best wash, or whatever, could be used as an excuse to give a machine they don't like a low rating.

Being one who doesn't wear delicates, the gentleness of FLs and such seems at least to some extent to be hype. Just another selling point which I think means little to me in real life. I'd say the vast majority of my wear actually comes from work and play, not washing. How and where the wear occurs seems to back that up. Plus I have towels, bed sheets, and such that have lasted years.

 

[pinkpower4]

Maytag mvwp575gw vs Speed Queen TC5003WN Sound and More

ryner1988, I have some hearing loss. Even with hearing aids, sounds are muffled to me.

We have a small house of about 1000 square feet. The laundry area is just off the dining area, and there is a door that can be closed. The sound doesn't bother me enough to close the door, but the kids will no matter which washer is running. The dining and living area are one large space with only the furniture defining the area's purpose.

I put together a short clip of the two washers. Because each was filmed the same way with the same items, this may give you some idea of how each sounds. I can tell you that there seems to be a little more pop and clicking sound with the Maytag as it goes through the whole cycle vs a more rhythm (repetitive pattern) sound of the Speed Queen.

You may hear a clicking sound with the Maytag. This is from the top part of the agitator. It will make a clicking sound when turned in a clockwise direction even with no clothes. There is some play. I may need to tighten something up?

I didn't realize Lowe's had that Whirlpool washer. This is awesome! I haven't seen the Ropers in a while, but these are definitely good options that are lower priced. No doubt users on this board will get a lot of life out of these models because they are used properly. The OP may have another option when the time comes to finally replace that old Maytag. Dual action agitator and more options for smaller loads for less!

Some day when I get a chance, I will try to do a comparison from a consumer point of view. I have no background in sales, repairs, etc. or work for either company. Before this purchase in 2018, I've always had just one washer/dryer set and used them until they no longer could be repaired. I make just enough to cover necessities, so this decision wasn't made lightly. The prices of appliances keep going up, and I am glad I have both.

More than likely, these two washers will probably be the last purchase for me if they last as long as they are supposed to.

Hope the video helps.

 

[panasonicvac]

Oh and one more thing that I forgot to mention about the Maytag commercial that I don't like about it compare to my Kenmore is that it has a lid lock. I get that it's a safety feature but I'm a type of person that wants to add in whatever laundry I'd put in during the cycles. Not to mention that I think it's fun to see whatever the washer can do during it's cycles.

 

[pinkpower4]

Lid Lock

It's easy to disable the lid lock on the Maytag Commercial. I think I took two screws out. Then place that piece where it would normally go when the lid is closed. You will need to take out and replace at end of cycle to get Done light to go off and to reset it for the next load.

I don't recommend doing this if you have children, disabled adults, or curious pets. It is a safety feature there for a reason as you've mentioned. I've disabled mine. I think it only locks during the spin cycle. However, one can always pause the washer to add more items, but you can't watch the wash action.

Sometimes, I think it would be nice if this model has a clear window instead of solid metal piece. The dryer sold at Lowe's does have a clear window, but the washer still has the all metal lid.

 

[panasonicvac]

Reply #42

I agree that I would buy something based on somebody's own view and experience, even when they do a thorough comparison test. And especially when they not only sell them but also repair them for a living. I wouldn't buy just the way it looks which unfortunately that's what alot of consumers out there today would buy because it looks "pretty". In fact I was very impressed with Lorain Furniture's video when he did a test between the Maytag Commercial and the Speed Queen TC5. I'll admit, at first I was leaning towards of getting the Maytag over the SQ after that comparison video. But however though, I had second thoughts when I ran across this thread a while ago on here about the Maytag Commercial. Now making me set with going for a SQ because again I want something durable, reliable, and not to mention that I want something that doesn't temper the water temperature. I already have my Kenmore that I really do love to death but I want something that I can get parts for that are still being made today so I'll be buying a SQ. Originally I planned to buy the TC5 along with it's matching dryer the DC5, but inflation unfortunately made it to where I can get a reconditioned SQ at a better price. And so far I'm waiting to hear back from a dealer that's reconditioning a SQ set for me.

Maytag Commercial Washer MVWP575GW Warranty Repair

My Maytag Commercial Washer started making a clicking/clanging noise in the spin cycle a couple of weeks ago. I assumed a suspension rod was the culprit, so I scheduled a service call. The technician came this morning. He checked out a few things and then declared that the noise is a...

www.automaticwasher.org

 

[pinkpower4]

Recap. My thoughts on the Maytag Commercial...

I have learned so much from this board!

The Maytag mvwp575gw DOES HAVE tap hot for the deep water (blue on the dial) cycles. The only cycle on that washer where the water is tempered is the Normal Eco. Hot is warm, and warm is cool. There are workarounds for that Normal cycle to get hot water for it. The biggest con for the Normal Eco at this point for me is just that it's too rough for delicates and not a long enough wash time for heavier soiled items.

It was painful to read through that linked thread. What I think is a bit odd is that most people were happy with the Tag 575gw until the TC5 was released. When I bought my Tag 575gw, there were no SQ mechanical models to be found, and the only Speed Queen washers for sale were the TR series. Speed Queen has since revised the wash pattern of the TR series, but I still wouldn't buy that model over the Tag.

The majority of posters on this board are washer enthusiasts. They trade washers like most people trade out cell phones. I could be mistaken but the person with that Maytag set went from that to a TC5 to a front load set in about the same four-year period that I've owned the Tag. I do think it's very possible this person did indeed get a lemon. Most people just made do with what was available like I did. It wasn't their first choice. Does that mean the Tag is now trash? I even had someone tell me they'd take their clothes to a laundry mat before buying that Tag. Really? Do you really want to wash your clothes with someone else who may have used it for dirty diapers? Especially when the water temp may be tempered at the laundry mats too??? No way! I still think the Mtag is the overall best cleaning new residential washer one can buy. It does cost more than the Ropers and Whirlpools with a dual action agitator, but I got a 5 yr. warranty and a little sturdier grade. For families or people that want something than take a little more abuse, the extra may be worth it. However, I have no doubt those with the Amana, Roper or Whirlpools can get theirs to last a long time too and for less . Honestly, if I had seen those less expensive models first, it's probably what I would have had. That was the price range I was looking in.

I've combed through reviews, boards, etc. extensively. The people that seem to have issues with these Mtags are either using them in a commercial settings probably overloaded and with lots of bleach. My spline in my 4-yr. old machine does not look like the ones shown in that picture! I usually have just one bleach load a week and use Lysol laundry sanitizer where I can. I've also not had any clothes torn up. The one time I did, it was caused by some metal sensors in the LG dryer that had come loose. I am very careful to use mine correctly. These new washers ren't like the ones I had growing up at all. None of them are.

I've been a home owner for almost 30 years. I have only had one washer and one dryer at a time until I felt it was more practical to replace than repair. Then 2018 happened and it was time to replace a 9 to 10y/o frontload, and we have all these restrictions where one washer doesn't work everything anymore. Most temper the water, restrict the water, have inferior agitators, and are made cheap. This results in using more water, more chemicals, more time, and more resources. No one is fixing these. They wind up in the landfill much quicker now. I think there are more of these new washers sitting around the outside of house than actually in the houses. We have no zoning restrictions that prevent washers from being yard ornaments here. LOL. At least pot a plant in them or something.

I admit I would have bought the TC5 had it been available in 2018. Why? Because it has more options for smaller loads. Yes, it will last longer. However, you will pay more for that. Now, you will pay significantly more for that. Scalpers in my area are selling these ABOVE MSRP. In some cases that means, it is almost twice the price of that Maytag. There are waiting lists in some areas for these. I decided things aren't going to get better in this respect, so I patiently waited until I could snag a set for a reasonable price. And this is only because I have a place for two washers. It would have been plain silly to take a loss on a washer that is working. I use both now depending on what type of load I am doing. Surely, I can keep one of these going.

I have a $100 Stanley tool set from Walmart. That's all I need to fix almost anything on that Tag. The Speed Queen may require special tools to remove the agitator--a drive bell tool and some agitator hooks that aren't cheap. What if something get under that agitator? The Maytag does have a coin guard, and I've taken the agitator without having to order special tools. More than likely it will be easier to get parts for the Mtag and for less. It shares many parts with washers that come off their commercial line.

I still think the Maytag is the overall best cleaning new washer one can buy today. If it is out of someone's budget, they should take a look at the Amana, Roper, or Whirlpools with the dual action agitator. I also still think the TC5 is the best overall washer if I could only choose one (if price is not a factor) because it has more smaller load options and will probably have less repairs over the years. The Maytag and other vmw models do have some plastic pieces that will likely have to be replaced along the way, but they are cheap and easily replaced by most consumers who are physically able to do so. As an extra small adult, I have no issue with the weight of either washer. However, repairs are getting more difficult for me just because of my age, vision, and joint pain. In the long run, the extra cost of the Speed Queen may pay for itself especially if one has to pay for repairs or use extra water when not necessary.

The point of this post, is help people make informed choices best for them (needs, budget, availability, etc.) and not SQ or nothing. And yes, for many that is indeed a front load! I had no real issues with my LG and would buy again (probably a 4000 model with Turbo wash) if I were getting a front load.

 

[windrivers]

MT or SQ Hot Water

PinkPower4, I appreciate all your thoughts, they are particularly valuable as you have extensive real-life experience and look for the same things in a washer that I do.

I just wondered if you could clarify there at the beginning of your last post comparing the washers where you said, "The Maytag mvwp575gw DOES HAVE tap hot for the deep water (blue on the dial) cycles. The only cycle on that washer where the water is tempered is the Normal Eco. Hot is warm, and warm is cool. There are workarounds for that Normal cycle to get hot water for it. The biggest con for the Normal Eco at this point for me is just that it's too rough for delicates and not a long enough wash time for heavier soiled items."

The TC5 has a cycle called "Normal Eco", and I believe it is the only cycle where the water temperature is tempered. So did you mean the second sentence to refer to the TC5 rather than the Maytag for the rest of that paragraph?

You actually like the "Normal Eco" cycle with the Heavy Soil option on the TC5? Interesting! I may have to try it out. I admit I've fallen for all the warnings that the "Normal Eco" cycle is there just to meet regulations and not worth using, probably all made by others who never used it. I usually consider my laundry to be fairly dirty and don't worry too much about water use, so I pretty much always use the Heavy Duty cycle, and I usually pause the cycle and let it soak, or use the Heavy Soil option if I don't have time to mess with it.

I don't plan on trying it until or if I have to, but I don't think there is anything special about removing the agitator on SQ, slipping a belt or something under it may work about as well as a special puller. I think I could get the drive bell off with what I have. From a quick search it looks like you could get seal tools for less than $10 if you can't find something else the right size.

I hope I never have to worry about it, I usually get things done, but they're never quite as easy as I think they should be.

From your video I still can't understand how Consumer Reports could give the wash performance 1/5, even if the rinse was completely ineffective (and I assume it's not). Supposedly they used the normal cycle shown in your video as I understand. But then they gave the Maytag Bravos impeller washer I had for a few months 3/5 for washing and 4/5 for reliability as I recall. It didn't wash nearly as well as your video seems to show or any other machine I've ever used, and lasted less than 8 months doing no more than two loads a week on average.

 

[pierreandreply4]

speedmaytag this is the set i have

if this help this is the maytag set i have as daily driver since 2021 and so far i can say i am pretty satisfied washer cleans pretty well

 

[lovestowash]

WTW4816FW

I have this Whirlpool top loader, and I agree, it is the only new Whirlpool I would buy...can't remember if I bought it at Lowe's or Home Depot...it's the only model I could find with a true "dual action" agitator, not an impeller with a stem...I get a true hot wash, with a full tub of water in wash and rinse...it has a variety of cycles, some of which are redundant, but I primarily use the "Bulky" or "Delicate" cycles, on the "Light" or "Ex Light" soil level settings...it offers a 15-second pseudo spray rinse before the first spin, and a clear full tub rinse...average load is done in 35-40 minutes...prior to this, I had the current version of the Whirlpool front loader, but the shortcomings of low water levels, and inability to spin with small loads, prompted the purchase of the top loader...I modified the lid lock, so the lid remains open all the time, on every cycle...a few years back, I had a Series 90 Kenmore direct drive, which was the most flexible washer I've ever owned, but it remained with the home when I moved to St. Pete...this Whirlpool is the closest new machine I could find with a semblance of similar flexibility.

 

[ea56]

RTW4516FW

I have this Roper washer that is a Whirlpool based VMW design and is essentially the same as George’s in reply#50 above. The only real difference is the control panel and the WTW4816FW has a few more cycle selections. Everything that George stated in his post is the same experience that I’ve had with my Roper. I kept the lid latch from the prior Maytag Centennial Washer that my Roper replaced. From time to time I will place this lid latch in the lid locking slot so I can observe the washing activity and believe me this washer has plenty of turnover.

I had been primarily using the Normal/Regular cycle because it is so quick, 34 mins. But about 3 mo ago I began using the Normal/Heavy which adds about 30 to 40 mins to the cycle time depending upon whether I select hot or warm water, hot takes longer, and its tap hot not dumbed down. Its well worth the extra time. The auto sense fill always provides enough water to cover the load and give free movement and turn over of all the items being washed. I’ve never owned any other washer that cleaned any better than this machine.

The ratings from actual users are high with approx. 87% satisfaction and these reviews weren’t all made by people participating in some promotional scheme. This Roper and its sister ship the Amana NTW4516FW are two of the best kept secrets for a decent well functioning washer at a price that can’t be beat.

I’m glad to hear that George is as satisfied with his Whirlpool as I am with my Roper.

Eddie

 

[pinkpower4]

WindRivers, some videos for you and the others

I'm not sure how Consumer Reports gets their ratings either. They don't make sense. I find YouTube videos, user reviews, and boards like this very helpful.

The only incentive one gets for writing a review of the Maytag mvwp575gw that I know of is a chance to be entered into a sweepstakes.

The Normal Eco cycle is the only cycle on BOTH washers (TC5 and Maytag mvwp575gw) where the water is tempered. If you select other options on the Maytag, the Normal Eco basically becomes a full tub wash and full tub rinse(s). If you select Heavy Soil with the Normal Eco, you get an extended wash time with water temp chosen and a spray rinse. I included more details in the description on these videos.

Here are some videos that may help you and others see why I am saying what I am about the Maytag:

Maytag mvwp575gw Warm Water Demo (This shows how the cold and hot alternate to fill the tub).



Maytag mvwp575gw Hot Water Demo (This shows how the hot stays on the whole time & water temp is tap hot).



On older TC5 models, you may have to start with a different cycle first, cancel, and then set to this cycle to get the hot water. I'm not sure. I get hot water and a longer wash time just by selecting Heavy Option. I can't take credit for this. I think I saw this on one of Kirk Rivas' videos and Smurdle confirmed this. Normal Eco with Heavy Soil becomes an extended wash time with water temp chosen and a spray rinse !!!

Speed Queen TC5003WN Normal Eco w/ Heavy Option (aka "Super Cycle")


If you need a rinse:
Under Options, select Extra Rinse
Under Cycle Selection, select Spin
Tap Deep Fill for more water
Tap Start

Both of these washers can pretty much do a load in 25 minutes (Normal Eco) to an hour (and that's with a presoak for the deepwater cycles).

 

[DADoES]

 
<blockquote>PinkPower4:  There is one thing I'm not sure about though. If one changes out that gear case in the Whirlpool, is that also changing out the bearings?</blockquote> VMW design incorporates the tub seal and spin/agitate bearings into the transmission (gearcase) assembly.  The seal and spin bearing piece presses into the outer tub from beneath when the assembly is mounted.

 

[pinkpower4]

DADoES

LOL. That question kind of outs me as just a consumer. But. I can watch YouTube and follow directions to fix these things. This is great! It will truly be interesting to see which washer I can keep going longer.

 

[ryner1988]

@ea56

I had the Whirlpool version of your Roper, and unfortunately it died in 6 years, failed gear box was the cause. But there is something to be said for a washer that can clean well and only costs $500 max, even if you have to replace it every few years. As I said, I had a hard time with the noise of mine, but I'm definitely not arguing about its functionality.

As I've stated before, I still feel a good front loader or the TC5 are the best options on the market today. But for all my hollering and yammering about how much I hate the noise of the VMW machines, a middle of the line front loader or the Speed Queen are both pricy, so it's very likely I'll end up with one of these machines again if my old Maytag tanks because they are plentiful, easily affordable, generally clean well, and objectively are a good option if one is suddenly without a washer. I'd probably just buy the roper or Amana version as, like the reply above mentions, I find many of the cycles on the Whirlpool version redundant. For instance, normal with extra light soil on the Whirlpool washer is the same as quick wash, which the Roper and Amana both have.

I, too, find the extra half hour of wash time worth it to make sure my clothes are both clean and rinsed well. I always used the heavy duty and bulky cycles on the Whirlpool, along with warm water, and I never bothered with the deep water option. Never found a need for it. I do find that the pray rinse isn't enough for my needs, as my wife has sensitive skin to a degree and I like to make sure all the soap is rinsed out of the clothes, so I always used a cycle with a full rinse. I've never understood why long cycle times bother people. I just walk away and do something else until it's time for clothes to go in the dryer, no big deal.

I do wonder if I just had an extra loud machine for some reason, as the ones I've heard on Youtube soud much quieter than mine was.

 

[panasonicvac]

This is what I'd love to see again. By the time I'd need a washer and dryer for my own place, I hope SQ would be offering back their limited time offer for a full 10 year parts and labor warranty on all of their residential machines. If they do when that time comes, then I'll reconsider purchasing the TC5 and the DC5. I wished I would've known that SQ was offering this deal when we had our washer and dryer replaced because I would've jumped on it in a heart beat.

 

[windrivers]

Normal Eco

PinkPower4 thanks again for the explanation. I didn't realize the MT Commercial and TC5 were so similar in that respect. I had studied the MT when I thought I was going to get it, but I guess I'd forgotten it when I got the SQ instead.

I think mainly what confused me was that the cycle is called "NORMAL ECO" on the SQ console, but I thought Maytag just referred to it simply as "NORMAL", so when you added the "Eco" part I thought you were referring to the SQ.

I have the newer TC5003WN model, and my understanding is that there is no mechanical or electronic difference between it and the TC5000WN, just that the TC5003WN has the 5 year warranty instead of 3 year. I don't think model numbers are generally changed when no mechanical, electrical, or programming changes are made to the machine itself, but I guess it helps them to keep track.

 

[washabear]

The Speed Queen might be all well and good, but it doesn't matter when you can't buy it. NOBODY in my area sells them. That kind of makes the decision for you. If Speed Queen wants to be a contender in the home market, it needs to be more readily available.